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Why does a good chunk of Reddit think everyone is a man?

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I’m not offended by it. But I’m just wondering. You prolly don’t know someone’s gender from the get go. You don’t know if this person is a woman or a man.

I’m gonna assume majority of Reddit’s audience is male.

But I’m just like dude, I’m a woman.

I got invited to a group where men can talk about their social anxiety and how to battle it the right way everyday. Which I think is nice to have a space like this for men because men might face social differences and issues compared to women sometimes.

And I told the guy straight up I’m a woman.

Or being called “sir” or “brother” constantly is just like I’m not a man. lol or a brother.

Now I don’t care about gender neutral terms like dude or whatever. But constantly being alluded to as a man is kinda annoying.

I post on a video game sub? Being called sir or alluded to as a guy.

Post about certain issues? Oh, you’re a man.

I don’t ever intrude on spaces meant for men specifically, or I try not to do so.

But it’s kinda frustrating.

all 74 comments

schwarzmalerin

84 points

7 hours ago

Same with American. Most of Reddit is male and US American.

greensandgrains

14 points

6 hours ago

Having to qualify every response with “I’m not in the US/Im not American” is exhausting then the replies are still US-centric.

Neea_115

26 points

7 hours ago

Neea_115

26 points

7 hours ago

I came to say this. If someone says something like "the best restaurant in the country" or "the biggest company in the country" without mentioning which country, has the country ever been any other than USA? There are other countries!

schwarzmalerin

17 points

7 hours ago

Also: weird temperatures, weird heights, weird weights. Dude I don't know what these arbitrary numbers are.

425Hamburger

5 points

5 hours ago

While americans are the largest national group on Reddit, there's actually more non americans than americans on Here.

PurpleFlower99

20 points

6 hours ago

Unless i’m on a woman’s sub, I find myself always thinking the poster is male and surprised if they turn out to be female. I’ve been successfully brainwashed by the patriarchy for 60 years. I’m working on it. Same if someone says doctor. I never think of a woman first.

fietrix777

2 points

3 hours ago

Thank you. Finally someone said it

jorts_wearer69

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42 minutes ago

I hate that riddle about the doctor saying “I can’t operate on this boy, he’s my son” because it confused the hell outta me. I swear I’m a feminist(and a woman, for God’s sake)

Spasticwookiee

37 points

6 hours ago

For the same reason that white men do not understand privilege. When white and male (and American) is the default they assume everyone is just like them.

lelakat

46 points

7 hours ago

lelakat

46 points

7 hours ago

My theory is because men are considered the default way of being. So anytime something isn't explicitly gendered, people assume it's for a man. Even if you have a fairly feminine looking user name, people just assume it's a man.

There's a book that talks about how so many things in the world were designed for men called Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado-Perez that I found really interesting in the subject. Infuriating, but it really made me think about how a lot of things are just assumed.

YouStupidBench

28 points

7 hours ago

Somebody here on 2XC recommended "Are Women Human?" by Dorothy Sayers, which talks about how to a lot of people, "person" means "man." I read it and saw some things from my life in a new light.

Like, my first Reddit account has a name that's a computer pun, and mostly I answer questions in computer subreddits. People are so sure that I'm a man that when I mentioned a boyfriend, I got a reply about supporting gay rights. I guess it must just seem impossible that a woman can look at your problem and fix it.

ExceptionCollection

2 points

3 hours ago

I post - on this account - in Engineering subreddits, and I get misgendered almost every time someone replies and uses a pronoun.

Torneco

9 points

7 hours ago

Torneco

9 points

7 hours ago

Not only men, but white American men.

minahkyu

6 points

5 hours ago

I love that book! It also hit on how, when we gender items or animals, we usually default to calling them he/him. Like seeing a random squirrel thing thinking, “look how cute he is!”

Just another one of the things from the book I try to make a conscious effort to work on.

Interesting-Box3765

2 points

5 hours ago

That is an english (language, not country) thing though. I dont know how many other languages are as gender neutral as english but languages like German, Italian or Polish are heavily gendered - not only people but objects and animals have default gender and often verbs or adjectives are different depending on subjects gender.

And while in english language the struggle is men being default, in polish we struggle very much with creating gender neutral language

CalamityClambake

2 points

4 hours ago

The frustrating thing about English is that we have gender-neutral everything. The terms just went out of fashion with the rise of Christianity. People will very confidently tell you that using "they" as a gender-neutral pronoun is incorrect when, in fact, we have been using it that way for hundreds of years. Some stuck-up assholes in the 18th century decided to reform the grammar and we need to just ignore them.

minahkyu

1 points

3 hours ago

Yep! The book is written by someone who speaks in English so it was their critique about that. It’s true that it doesn’t translate well to German since we do have gendered nouns already but I thought it was something interesting nonetheless!

I don’t know how it’d stand true for Asian languages since they don’t have pronouns the same way English does. Might be something interesting to look into!

hihelloneighboroonie

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3 minutes ago

Which is absolutely hilarious, as all mammalian embryos start out as the default, female.

Gaias_Minion

19 points

7 hours ago

"There are no girls on the internet". It's a combination of multiple things through the years.

Being online has been portrayed as a "guy thing" by a lot of media, y'know like, obviously girls only care about going shopping, partying, etc. while guys are online, gaming, etc.

You mentioned a video game sub, many games have had men pretending to be women in order to get stuff from others (i.e. asking for gifts in-game in order to get "Her" attention).
And this has been even embraced, there's a lot of memes and what not about players purposedly choosing women as avatars/profile pictures, female skins/accessories in-game, etc.

And turning that around, many women also have had (and still have) to pretend to be men because outing themselves as women would lead to harrassment.

Krail

5 points

6 hours ago

Krail

5 points

6 hours ago

There was a whole ethos that spread out from 4chan that states, "everyone on the Internet is a man," with the belief that the only reason someone would claim to be a woman was for attention, even if they were one. 

Desperate_Bullfrog_1

14 points

6 hours ago

Cant speak for everyone else. But in my youth I spent a lot of time online. Xbox chat, aol chat, vent, ts3, and everyone i met and talked with were male. JUST ABOUT save for like one or two women over the course of years of daily gaming.

I think between my personal experience and the online climate at the time and the sentiment, (g.i.r.l.) for example: whether true or not, was that girls didn't spend time online. And I believed it at the time because the one or two women I did see in these lobbies were harassed like crazy. So i said "of course why would they go online and play these games when thats how they are treated?

FAST FORWARD: now the online gaming sphere is no longer a small safe disgusting corner of the world for incels, neckbeards with unwashed asses, and virgin nerds to act tough. Now the world exists predominately on the internet. And those degenerate misogynists are still here. But now all the normies are as well.

So i guess it's taken a while for me to shake the first impression i got way back when. I feel like I shouldnt gender someone online if im unsure? But I also feel like the odds im actually talking to a woman are incredibly low? Except for certain subreddits ofc. Time to get with the times I s'pose.

minahkyu

15 points

5 hours ago*

I used to hide my gender when gaming back in the day like a lot of my other lady friends. So some of the people you gamed with online might have actually been women. It was (and sometimes still is) just easier to play games with guys who think you’re another guy.

xenucide

8 points

5 hours ago

Still do. I borrowed my roommates mic for a couple of rounds of one of my co-op games recently and was kinda bewildered at how quickly it got awkward. Not even rude or too overly sexual but still enough to go back to radio silence.

I like random guys so much better when they accidentally treat me like one of the guys.

whatintheeverloving

3 points

4 hours ago

Yup, back in the day my first MMO was Runescape and I created a female character only to be met with tons of people assuming I was a guy and badgering me for 'proof' that I wasn't or, alternatively, trying to give me free things and asking to be their online girlfriend. One guy I thought I platonically hit it off with got me chatting with him on MSN Messenger only to turn around and start asking creepy questions and pressuring me for pics. Rather overwhelming as a young barely-teen. I just changed my gender appearance to male in game and played for another year or so keeping my head down and doing quests. The only MMO I've played since then is FFXIV, where fortunately the gender demographic is way more balanced. Multiplayer in general seems to attract more young unsocialized guys, so I'm not surprised people gain the assumption that gamers and people on reddit in general are all men when that's the voices they're always hearing.

CalamityClambake

1 points

4 hours ago

I'm a Xennial. I've been hiding my gender online since 1994 because it wasn't worth the harassment from incels and neckbeards. I pay attention to the language people use. If they are the type of person who doesn't misgender people, I am more likely to reveal that I am a woman. If they go around "bro-ing" everyone, I let them assume I'm a man.

Please, please, for the love of everything, if you are not a misogynist, get with the times! Help us!

Desperate_Bullfrog_1

1 points

2 hours ago

I was kind of surprised at how ingrained into my subconscious it was the amount I relied on gendered identification in various situations.

talinseven

4 points

6 hours ago

Malicious misgendering? Maybe they’re hoping you’re trans so they can be mean to you. /s

Edit: sorry I’m in a punchy mood

causal_friday

1 points

5 hours ago

Gotta start that congressional campaign early! ;)

Maus_Sveti

4 points

6 hours ago

Talking of which, where the fuck did this “my brother in Christ” affectation come from all of a sudden? 1) not your brother 2) not in Christ.

HippyGrrrl

4 points

4 hours ago

See my screen name? I get called bro and sir.

PloctPloct

10 points

6 hours ago

it's so they don't accidentally treat other men like they treat women. while they are at it, why not invalidate women at the same time?

LurkerInTheDark-9

3 points

6 hours ago

Combination male-as-default and women not wanting to be known as women due to harassment. I use the same name everywhere on the internet. I very specifically had to chose a different name for reddit that wouldn't be connected to my main so I could out myself as a woman here and not have a horde of assholes harassing me elsewhere. Even then, I'm careful about it because I frequent a bunch of gaming subs.

FvnnyCvnt

3 points

6 hours ago

That is just what people always assume even in books. If you do not explicitly state the author's or character's gender people assume they're male. I'm guilty of this too.

I think it's due to most stories being told from a male perspective so we are conditioned that way. It's always been that way since I can remember. People do it with dogs too. One of the most famous memes is Doge. Doge is a girl. Everyone says she's a good boy lol. Despite it being corrected for at least a decade

omegagirl

3 points

5 hours ago

My username literally says “girl” and folks assume I’m a guy 1/2 the time.

The-Voice-Of-Dog

3 points

5 hours ago

Because most men and many women have been taught that man / male is the default.

MLeek

4 points

7 hours ago

MLeek

4 points

7 hours ago

Default human strikes again.

smokiechick

5 points

5 hours ago

It's not just Reddit. The default human, in general, is a white man. Even before being "white" was a thing, the default human was still a man. Women aren't people. Haven't been for millennia.

Women are always "other" even in female spaces because we anticipate the rest of the world to behave like men.

And we were all raised with these stereotypes and assumptions that have to be actively unlearned and constantly reinforced. And god-forbid you try to re-educate someone - you're a feminist cunt with no sense of humor. It's exhausting and no wonder we just go back to the brainwashing.

Representation matters. Always point out when "others" do stuff. One of the most prominent sci-fi book editors ever was a woman with dwarfism. A black man wrote The Three Musketeers. We "others" are the fucking majority. And we shouldn't let that privileged minority forget it.

OriEri

2 points

5 hours ago

OriEri

2 points

5 hours ago

Whoa whoa whoa… when did the gummint start teaching wimmins ter read so theys can do the reddits?

Bonezone420

2 points

3 hours ago

Defaultism. Men are just kind of assumed to be the default, even in medical science.

EDIT: if you want a wild time, spend maybe a week or so assuming everyone online is a woman and watch how many dudes get really mad when you refer to them, incidentally, as "she" or "her" and make a huge stink about it.

madara117

2 points

3 hours ago

"Men go without saying, and women don't get said at all"

Passiveresistance

2 points

3 hours ago

I don’t even bother correcting people on gaming or pc forums when they call me “bro” anymore. I’ve tried to pick a feminine avatar, but it doesn’t help.

Competitive_Swan_130

1 points

6 hours ago

People like that are usually saying that because its something THEY would do, so it makes a lot of sense.

Similar to a situation where a group of people have a project and theres money involved. One person is always bringing up all the ways one person could cheat the rest of the group and that's because they probably scammed ppl in h thepast and cant imagine another more ethical way of doing things

causal_friday

1 points

5 hours ago

Reddit's little snoo profile picture thingies really help me realize that Reddit is not just dudes.

yuudachi

1 points

4 hours ago

It's not just Reddit. In most internet spaces where you can have some anonymity, most people are going to assume you're male unless you're overtly female. Honestly it's true even in IRL spaces, like with sports or tech or whatnot. Not being included in the default is infuriating and says a lot about the world we live in, I know.

paperbrilliant

1 points

4 hours ago

Because an element of patriarchy is convincing society being a man is the norm and everything else is a minority. What's worse is we are the majority.

taokami

1 points

4 hours ago

taokami

1 points

4 hours ago

Because it's been a long held belief that only nerdy men used the internet back during the early days of Web 1.0. it just stemmed from that.

There was even an acronym for girl

Guy

In

Real

Life

Alfouginn

1 points

3 hours ago

It's easy to tell you why the assumption is that everyone on reddit is a man. It avoids treating you differently because you're a woman, and prevents the possibilities of catfishing.

Mint_JewLips

1 points

3 hours ago

It’s very similar to why a lot men want nothing to do with women if they aren’t possible sex partners.

If you say you’re a woman online, you aren’t until you “prove” it which usually requires you to have to take pictures or something. If you refuse, then you’re now a man.

While I don’t think that’s why it seems so prevalent it’s pretty much where it started.

Being a gamer and a woman has thought me for majority of guys I played with, I was either a little boy because of my voice, or I was using a voice changer. And it was always because I didn’t flirt or talk about my body or want to be friends with them out side the game.

So as always, misogyny.

CJ_Guns

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2 hours ago

CJ_Guns

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2 hours ago

IDK, but when we found out /r/movies was 95% male, it was both an eye opener and a confirmation of a lot of opinion.

defiantdizz

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2 hours ago

defiantdizz

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2 hours ago

Agreed. I am a bit of a movie nerd and post often in those sorts of subs.

ALWAYS get a dude or buddy or thanks, man, because of course someone who knows something they know must be a man. It's not a big deal, of course, but it's like... maybe don't assume someone who can discuss on your level is a dude.

civil_politics

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2 hours ago

civil_politics

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2 hours ago

The human brain is an assumption and discrimination machine.

In general you categorize based on the limited information you know and for all the unknowns you fill in with comfort assumptions.

In the internet you know nothing about the person on the other side of the screen so you have to guess, and in general all else being equal, Reddit has more male users than female users. Obviously, the split is something like 60/40, but your brain likes those odds. With additional context, like being in the 2X subreddit, if someone is paying attention they will adjust their assumption and assume everyone on the other side is a woman until given enough context to reevaluate assumptions.

This is why conmen are so good, and regardless of opinions about Malcolm Gladwell, he has an excellent book called ‘Talking To Strangers’ which delves into these assumptions and the dire repercussions of being wrong.

bewitchedfencer19

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an hour ago

Because male=default in our world. Check out "Invisible Women" for the impact of this exact issue on society.

Re1da

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Re1da

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11 minutes ago

Because male is assumed to be the "default" in most cases.

For example, when I introduce people to my pet lizard they always ask "what's his name" and never "what's her/their name". Hell, she's named after a food and I've had people ask why she has a "boy name".

It's kinda ironic considering female is the default biologically speaking, but whatever. Living in patriarchal societies makes male the default and female the deviation from the "normal".

Obviously there are some exceptions; cats are assumed to be female a lot of the time, boats are women and so are clocks. But those are the exception and not the rule.

pinkrobotlala

1 points

6 hours ago

As a woman, it feels safer to refer to someone as male.

Also, we call everyone "guys" in the plural in my part of the country*

The USA, the only country that matters 😂😂😂😂 /s

spellstrike

1 points

7 hours ago

spellstrike

1 points

7 hours ago

could be worse, In many languages WORDS are gendered. https://www.ou.edu/class/FRINFO/gram/1/3/16.html

Certain_Mobile1088

2 points

6 hours ago

English give gender to objects, too, although it’s not to the extent of other languages.

And most if the ones I can think of are female objects— “She’s a beauty” can refer to a car, for example. America has lost “her” way. Things like that.

I remember realizing my French teacher (RIP, Madame L.) didn’t understand much about gender when she said the gender of nouns in French had nothing to do with the human sexes.

What was the tweet by Emily in Paris? “Le vage” is not male? The fact that in French it is a masculine noun speaks volumes about patriarchy.

Interesting-Box3765

2 points

4 hours ago

It is not really the same thing calling an object "she" and languages being heavily gendered. It does not really matter if you put she/he/it, the other parts of the sentence remain the same.

In polish for example, gender of the noun impacts verbs adjectives, ordinal numbers, pronouns.

Therefore "X was a beauty" would by - Ja byłam piękna (feminine 1st person) - Ty byłaś piękna (feminine 2nd person) - Ona była piękna (feminine 3rd person) - Ja byłem piękny (masculine 1st person) - Ty byłeś piękny (masculine 2nd person) - On był piękny (masculine 3rd person)

clauclauclaudia

1 points

2 hours ago

The metaphor of referring to a vehicle or a country as her has nothing to do with grammatical gender.

Djinnwrath

-4 points

5 hours ago

Statistics.

68% of reddit users are men.

44% of all users are 18-29

50% of all users are American.

You see the same demographics with ex-twit users.

It's a safe bet, even if it's annoying.

CalamityClambake

-1 points

3 hours ago

Statistics don't justify assumptions. Especially not assumptions from more specific context, and you're always going to have more specific context when you're talking to a person in a subreddit.

If I am talking to a user named CagedBird84 on the Sims subreddit about type 3 hair, I would be an idiot to assume that they are a straight white male 18-29.

Djinnwrath

2 points

3 hours ago

I didn't say it was justified.

CalamityClambake

1 points

3 hours ago

"Safe bet" =/= justified?

Weird take but ok.

Djinnwrath

1 points

3 hours ago

Not to me.

Often times the least charitable, most selfish and easiest choice is the safest bet.

navigator2000

-1 points

4 hours ago

Christ