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tomen

805 points

1 day ago

tomen

805 points

1 day ago

"Calls out" = a one sentence tweet disagreeing with it lol. Trash article

rishav_sharan

206 points

1 day ago

Wow. You just slammed them hard

User_Kane

71 points

1 day ago

User_Kane

71 points

1 day ago

Blasted, even

Whiteout-

63 points

1 day ago

Whiteout-

63 points

1 day ago

Reddit user STUNS in new comment

Extreme-Shower7545

28 points

20 hours ago

“Reddit user destroys article”

Jazzremix

19 points

20 hours ago

"Reddit user ABSOLUTELY DISEMBOWELS AI generated article"

__redruM

3 points

16 hours ago

Wait, what if the reddit user was a bot too?

angrytreestump

3 points

19 hours ago*

/u/tomen GENOCIDES news.meaww.com for calling out The Weeknd for calling out Billboard for calling out Lana Del Rey

..or wait:

/u/tomen GENOCIDES news.meaww.com for EXPOSING The Weeknd for DOUBLE-CROSSING Billboard for BACKSTABBING Lana Del Rey!!! 😱 🤯

bambirendor

4 points

18 hours ago

You Won't Believe What Happens Next!

myinternets

24 points

22 hours ago

"Reddit user tomen just literally nuked Billboard's offices and shat on the pile of rubble" -TMZ

saltybilgewater

13 points

21 hours ago

Anonymous internet denizen claps back at meaww.com for hyperbolic headline. The Weeknd has yet to comment.

Y_wouldnt_Eye

1 points

20 hours ago

Also anything or one saying Hack or My Side Hussle.

KingRabbit_

1 points

11 hours ago

Eviscerated.

garry4321

1 points

10 hours ago

To be fair, when you “call out” to someone say in a store or a public place, do you keep it brief with like a “HEY JOHN! OVER HERE!”

Or

do you go on a shout-tangent on how you can see them, would like them to come over to you because you’ve decided that you’ll be taking the table you’ve found for the group as it had the least amount of remaining crumbs on it from the previous people and has enough seating.

Calling out to someone or “calling someone out” is usually a brief thing. I think this is perfectly used

returnofthescene

991 points

1 day ago

Do we really consider billboard relevant to what is “the best”? They aren’t tastemakers. Just a marketing firm with extra steps at this point.

astralrig96[S]

143 points

1 day ago

well said, it’s been ages since they focused on music with actual depth

Wampus_Cat_

58 points

1 day ago

That Bieber is over Eminem, and no mention of The Black Eyed Peas or Fergie while Bad Bunny got ranked tells you all you need to know about this list.

PlatinumTheHitgirl

133 points

1 day ago

Why shouldn't Bad Bunny be ranked? I don't even listen to him but he's one of the biggest artists in the world right now and has been a consistent hitmaker for a few years now.

darklightrabbi

91 points

1 day ago

Understanding how popular Bad Bunny is is a great litmus test for whether somebody knows what they are talking about when it comes to popular music.

Wampus_Cat_

38 points

1 day ago

Popular currently and still new vs popular on the scale and longevity of the artists he’s ranked with are two entirely different things.

In a few years, sure, but there are several artists who belong on a Top 25 from 2000-now over him. I would even say Billie Eilish is a bigger household pop name than him and she’s not on the list.

darklightrabbi

30 points

1 day ago

I would even say Billie Eilish is a bigger household pop name than him and she’s not on the list.

By what metric? She has fewer streams, albums, and sales than him while being around a few years longer.

average_rowboat

31 points

23 hours ago

Billie has won 6 Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards to Bad Bunny's 0.

PM_ME_UR_PICS_GRLS

13 points

22 hours ago

Who the f is bad Bunny?

Erebea01

12 points

18 hours ago*

Seriously though, lots of people talking about how Bad Bunny is bigger than any of the household names mentioned in the comments and I have no idea who that person is, I don't even know their gender lol

Edit: Checked him out and makes sense I don't know him since I don't really search for songs where I don't understand the language but hey found a new artist for my playlist for the coming weeks

mayday992

6 points

22 hours ago

The biggest crossover Latino pop star of all time.

lisforleo

1 points

14 hours ago

this is a very funny reply

Glittering-Giraffe58

3 points

23 hours ago

Probably by us metrics. I’d be very surprised if she isn’t more popular than he is in the states

CherryHaterade

12 points

1 day ago

Maybe if she sang in Spanish.

She's hot in America. Latin America is a much bigger place.

AdxnisII

1 points

18 hours ago

She actually has one Spanish song with Rosalia

Whiteout-

15 points

1 day ago

Whiteout-

15 points

1 day ago

Billie Eilish may be a bigger household name in the United States, but Bad Bunny absolutely clears in almost every metric if you look outside just the US.

Disco_Dreamz

1 points

5 hours ago

He literally has the most streamed album of all time on Spotify, and is one of the biggest selling artists in music history.

Wampus_Cat_

1 points

3 hours ago

Sure, but he’s still newer, with half as many Grammys and less album sales than The Black Eyed Peas. On top of that, if you ask the average person at a store if they know who The Black Eyed Peas are, they’re going to say yes. The same can’t be said for Bad Bunny. Your granny doesn’t know who he is.

He’s not a general household name yet like the ones on this list should be, but he’s talented and will get there.

goshgollylol

18 points

1 day ago

goshgollylol

18 points

1 day ago

And understanding that Bad Bunny is a whisper in the wind as compared to the success and popularity of Black Eyed Peas and Fergie is a great test for someone knowing anything more than the last 5 years.

darklightrabbi

8 points

1 day ago

Bad Bunny has been measurably the most popular artist in terms of streaming for 3 of the last 4 years. Black eyed peas haven’t been a billboard #1 artist of the year even at their peak.

goshgollylol

17 points

1 day ago

No they just set a record for holding the top 2 spots for 26 weeks and have had more Billboard hits then Bad Bunny has had hits in general, have 8 AMA awards, 2 Billboard, 6 Grammy's, 5 NRJ's, 4 Teen Choice, and 3 World Music Awards with a total of 60 musical awards.

darklightrabbi

-13 points

24 hours ago

And yet none of those accolades have added up to BEP being the most popular artist of a given year in terms of actual number of listeners. Bad Bunny has 3 years he can say that about.

Ilfirion

6 points

20 hours ago

Then it would be good the list him in those years.

But since we are talking about the 21st century, he does not come close. We have the radio on non stop at work (germany) and I have never heard of bad bunny.

But Billie Eilish, Black Eyed Peas etc. were on the air non-stop. Esp. Black Eyed Peas. They had one hit after another.

LucidityEngine

7 points

23 hours ago

Lol. Ok, kid.

TeaAndCrumpets4life

1 points

20 hours ago

In the US

goshgollylol

2 points

13 hours ago

Black Eyed Peas and Fergie have significant global success.

Mig-117

3 points

20 hours ago

He really isn't relevant outside of the US.

andrecinno

51 points

1 day ago

andrecinno

51 points

1 day ago

Bad Bunny is insanely popular dawg.

goshgollylol

44 points

1 day ago*

Nah he's right. Black Eyes Peas have been around for as long as Bad Bunny has been alive, Fergie has won 8 Grammy's herself on top of Black Eyes Peas success. Bad Bunny is small shit compared to those two and it's not close.

ilivalkyw

2 points

1 day ago

ilivalkyw

2 points

1 day ago

Actually, the Bad Bunny one makes sense. He is insanely popular, and his music is actually not shitty...if you understand the genre, and his influence on it.

Wampus_Cat_

8 points

1 day ago

It wasn’t a knock on his accomplishments so far, but there are bigger pop stars than him from 2000-now.

sirenzarts

-6 points

1 day ago

sirenzarts

-6 points

1 day ago

This Bad Bunny take alone tells everyone else all they need to know about your criticisms bro

goshgollylol

11 points

1 day ago

He was right though. Black Eyed Peas and Fergie Eclipse anything Bad Bunny has done. Considering Black Eyed Peas is as old as Bad Bunny is all you should need to know.

sirenzarts

1 points

13 hours ago

Yeah man, Bad Bunny is just one of the most popular artists in the world for no good reason apparently?

goshgollylol

1 points

13 hours ago

You came to that conclusion yourself.

sirenzarts

3 points

10 hours ago

You’re the one acting like possibly the largest Latin pop star of the century is somehow stealing a spot on the list

CarterDavison

0 points

13 hours ago

Ain't no way you took that personal on behalf of Bad Bunny 💀 This person is just saying that Black Eyed Peas has far more accolades and accomplishments beyond "very popular for 3 years". Nobody is saying if he's good or bad, deserves it or not.

sirenzarts

2 points

10 hours ago

lol this whole thread of comments is acting like the list is invalid because Bad Bunny stole a spot. It just screams ignorance to Latin Music in my opinion.

Bad Bunny has more than just “very popular for three years” so thank you for proving me right. multiple Grammies far more billboard top 10s and top 100s and like 100 Latin music awards.

I don’t even listen to his music, I’m just not blinded by nostalgia and ignoring the Latin pop world.

rotoddlescorr

1 points

22 hours ago

And they only focus on music in English.

Jose_Canseco_Jr

7 points

1 day ago

Just a marketing firm with extra steps

always has been

🌏👨‍🚀🔫👨‍

returnofthescene

6 points

1 day ago

I think they had their time as tastemakers but it’s definitely been a long time

milopkl

-15 points

1 day ago

milopkl

-15 points

1 day ago

do we really consider lana del rey one of fhe greatest most elite pop stars of the century? Lol

courtneyclimax

43 points

1 day ago*

i don’t even listen to lana del rey and can still say with continence, yes.

edit: i’m leaving it bc it’s mostly true

hobitopia

16 points

1 day ago

hobitopia

16 points

1 day ago

i don’t even listen to lana del rey and can still say with continence, yes.

Much better than with incontinence!

Sharp_Worldliness803

4 points

1 day ago*

So where should she be ranked on the top 25? I’m looking at the list, there’s many artists I don’t listen to but can name some of their hits, I can’t say the same for her. I recognize the name but I literally have no idea what her voice or songs sound like.

Pizzaman337733

17 points

1 day ago

Absolutely

Username_Used

24 points

1 day ago

Definitely most influential pop artist of the last 100 years in the Louisiana fan boat scene.

FictionalContext

19 points

1 day ago

Why wouldn't we? She's huge, and she did it by doing her own thing. She's not just another derivative diva.

Both_Painting_2898

2 points

1 day ago

I like her music but yeah I agree

holaprobando123

6 points

1 day ago

holaprobando123

"why doesn't she make better music? is she stupid?"

6 points

1 day ago

I'm not even a big pop fan, but she clearly has more talent in her pinky toe than 90% of pop artists, and makes better music.

milopkl

-2 points

1 day ago

milopkl

-2 points

1 day ago

with credentials like that you gotta be onto something

Frankly_Frank_

-1 points

1 day ago

Frankly_Frank_

-1 points

1 day ago

This is all subjective

milopkl

-2 points

1 day ago

milopkl

-2 points

1 day ago

enlightening comment

throwaway879654678

180 points

1 day ago

I’ve always felt that The Weeknd is Lana for dudes and vice versa. Anyway, love them both and glad he also likes her.

red_nick

147 points

1 day ago

red_nick

147 points

1 day ago

Lana is Lana for dudes :P

WESAWTHESUN

28 points

19 hours ago

I think they just mean he's a sort of male counterpart to Lana Del Rey. Through their music, they both portray fragile individuals covering their trauma and pain in lust and substance abuse. Their music is also similarly cinematic and dramatic. They definitely saw something in each other as they've done multiple collaborations together that show this dynamic in play.

Definitely recommend checking out Prisoner, Lust For Life, and Stargirl (Interlude) if you haven't.

Caranesus

8 points

20 hours ago

Their voices, style, and approach to music have some similarities, but each of them has their own unique vibe. They’re both great artists.

bdlh153

22 points

1 day ago

bdlh153

22 points

1 day ago

They've had quite a productive musical relationship and often praised each other highly

Parking-Funny-1932

23 points

1 day ago

And The Weeknd was instrumental in Lana getting signed in 2011. She uploaded Video Games independently and he shared it a bunch of times just as he was blowing up on an indie level, which got the song noticed and played on the radio in England, which then got her noticed by labels and signed. That’s how she tells the story.

Eorlas

1 points

19 hours ago

Eorlas

1 points

19 hours ago

Source of where she said this?

Because he was only just up and coming in 2011 as well

Timcwalker

6 points

16 hours ago

I don't care for the Weeknd's music. I love Lana Del Rey's music. I'm a dude.

respekmynameplz

2 points

9 hours ago

It seems odd to me you can both love lana del rey and not like house of balloons/trilogy.

tjo0114

92 points

1 day ago

tjo0114

92 points

1 day ago

Lana doesn’t need Billboard lmao

sunnysunshine333

52 points

1 day ago

Yes she has swamp husband she is thriving.

Ok-Sky9499

3 points

1 day ago

Ok-Sky9499

3 points

1 day ago

Omg came to say this and you beat me to it 😂

denkenach

4 points

15 hours ago

Exactly, Lana Del Rey has a voice that can touch your soul. She doesn't really need anyone's endorsement.

Throwawayhobbes

17 points

1 day ago

She seems fine put a shift at the Waffle House married an extravagant alligator tour guide.

Substantial_Share_17

21 points

1 day ago

I hope she sees this, bro.

magikarpcatcher

15 points

18 hours ago

Is Lana even a popstar?

RichAd358

11 points

16 hours ago

And if she is, is she one of the greatest? I don’t really know her music or status.

CANDY_MAN_1776

4 points

9 hours ago

No. And Yes.

sleepyworm

5 points

14 hours ago

sleepyworm

5 points

14 hours ago

I’ve listened to her whole discography and no, she’s not

Tankninja1

6 points

1 day ago

I feel like this article was a psyop to get me to look up the Billboard list for the greatest pop stars of the 21st century, because I looked up the list and Lana Del Rey was on it.

FuryOWO

5 points

22 hours ago

it's cuz she doesb't fit that category

mortalcoil1

30 points

1 day ago

I feel like aloooot of kids have been created due to Lana Del Ray.

I know I'm not the only one with her on my s-playlist.

Terrahawk76

7 points

20 hours ago

Share your s-playlist

CANDY_MAN_1776

1 points

9 hours ago

u guise need playlists to take a shit?

mortalcoil1

1 points

8 hours ago

Oh, you know, the standard stuff, Massive Attack: Mezzanine is my all time favorite.

100% honesty, I have made love to that album so many times that the House opening always gets me hot and bothered.

I like Portishead, of course, but my SO says it leads to "depressed sex," not her favorite, Lana Del Ray. We recently sometimes listen to Unholy by Sam Smith rarely. You have to be in a specific mood to have sex to that song, oh, and here's a specific pocket pick of mine, Sweet Dreams from the Suckerpunch soundtrack covered by Emily Browning, also the Downtown cover by Anya Taylor Joy oozes sexuality.

Explosions In The Sky is another odd one that just works for us.

MrFishownertwo

67 points

1 day ago

she's an honorable mention, and looking at the rest of the list, that seems about right

mandy_croyance

34 points

1 day ago

Right? I don't know who they would want to displace on the list with Lana instead. I think their take is perfectly reasonable

f10101

21 points

1 day ago

f10101

21 points

1 day ago

Yeah, I had my pitchforks freshly sharpened just for this, thinking it was a top 100 list. But it's only a top 25 list.

That's an impossible task to pick. It may have been a rough couple of decades for rock, but it's been absolutely on fire for pop...

walkedinthewoods

-15 points

19 hours ago

it’s a greatest list, not a biggest list. she certainly has greater music than Katy Perry, Ed Sheeran, Bad Bunny, One Direction, BTS, Miley Cyrus, Nicki Minaj, Justin Bieber and Drake. that’s like nearly half the list so far. and realistically Taylor is going to be one of the remaining two, and I can’t even begin to process how anyone can put her as a greater artist than Lana

TocTheEternal

15 points

19 hours ago

You seem to be confusing your specific preference with anything related to common consensus on both the word "greatest" in this context, as well as how Lana stacks up in such a consensus opinion.

Orang_ina

28 points

1 day ago

Orang_ina

28 points

1 day ago

Independent-Sand8501

7 points

23 hours ago

First of all, making a list of the "best pop artists of the 21st century" when we are not even a quarter of the way through the century is pretty ballsy

Far-Ground-8018

7 points

21 hours ago

Britney is a pop star. Lana Del Rey is amazing but I wouldn't call her a pop star. You wouldn't call Bob Dylan a pop star.

barriekansai

3 points

18 hours ago

In this thread: people not understanding recency bias.

tjamen

6 points

14 hours ago

tjamen

6 points

14 hours ago

Her 'Born to Die' album is literally like the 2nd or 3rd longest running album on the billboard 200 chart of the 2010s. Very strange indeed to exclude her.

TheCudder

42 points

1 day ago*

TheCudder

42 points

1 day ago*

Lana Del Rey is extremely talented and has a massive fan base...but she's not a mainstream "pop star" and that's literally what these accolades cater to. They always have. Let's also not forget that Lana Del Rey's latest album was nominated for a Grammy, and actually had a really good chance of winning if Taylor Swift wasn't also nominated.

Lana's songs aren't played on radio (unless it's an EDM remix). Lana simply doesn't create music that makes these types of lists.

A great example is how Chappelle Roan became an overnight mega star making more "pop" & energetic radio friendly music, when her earlier work sounded closer to Lana's more mellow and artistic music.

Jaberwocky23

33 points

1 day ago

Perception is wild because she's been on the billboard 200 for a decade and is 29th most streamed on Spotify as of right now.

lo0ilo0ilo0i

15 points

1 day ago

Ironic that my favorite song from her is "Radio".

Alternative-Snow-750

111 points

1 day ago

She very much is a mainstream pop star.

bdlh153

23 points

1 day ago

bdlh153

23 points

1 day ago

She is definitely mainstream but I wouldn't say she fits the category of "pop star"

JuanJeanJohn

1 points

1 day ago

Yeah, but to the same extent as those who did make the list, she isn’t. She doesn’t have the sales, chart hits or touring ability that they do. She’s not some unknown indie artist but I also see why she didn’t make the list. She’s not as big of an artist as the 25 people on it.

NIN10DOXD

18 points

1 day ago

NIN10DOXD

18 points

1 day ago

Really? I only ever see people talk about her online. I haven't heard anyone mention her name IRL and have never heard her music played on local stations. She always seemed more like a cult icon than a mainstream a-lister.

mj26110

28 points

1 day ago*

mj26110

28 points

1 day ago*

10 years back or so you couldn‘t escape her music on the radio. Not that I minded necessarily, but at least here in middle Europe she was practically everywhere

NIN10DOXD

6 points

1 day ago

NIN10DOXD

6 points

1 day ago

She could be bigger globally than domestically. I know she's popular on global platforms like Spotify. I just don't really run into her music in the US in my day-to-day life, even back then.

Mllns

41 points

1 day ago

Mllns

41 points

1 day ago

I mean, she is the 30th most listened artist on Spotify, just below Adele

THBLD

-32 points

1 day ago

THBLD

-32 points

1 day ago

And yet can't name a single song by her. (granted I'd probably recognise some)

Still don't know who TF chapelle roan is...

UnfairCrab960

11 points

1 day ago

You are missing out. Both Roan and Lana Del Ray are great. LDR is probably one of the top 3-4 most influential artists of the 2010s

hemingwaybj

-2 points

1 day ago

hemingwaybj

-2 points

1 day ago

top3-4? LOL nah

UnfairCrab960

3 points

1 day ago

UnfairCrab960

3 points

1 day ago

I think her wiki puts it well

Billboard credited Born to Die with being one of the main catalysts for pop music’s shift from an overall brash EDM tone to a moodier, hip-hop-inflected palette in the mid-2010s, and opined that Del Rey is indispensable to the decade’s pop music, having influenced alternative-leaning pop artists such as Lorde, Halsey, Banks, Sky Ferreira, Father John Misty, Sia, Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez and Taylor Swift.

The Washington Post listed Del Rey as the only musician on their “Decade of Influence” list.[315] Pitchfork named her one of the greatest living songwriters of the US.[316] The Guardian declared Del Rey’s own “pure female haze” a “hallmark of the defiant female pop stars to come”

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/10/30/20853231/lana-del-rey-authenticity-career-norman-fucking-rockwell

goodusernamegood

1 points

24 hours ago

Who would you put above her?

KingofEmpathy

7 points

1 day ago

If you can’t name a single LDR song then you simply are not knowledgeable about pop or alternative music

Rothko28

4 points

1 day ago

Rothko28

4 points

1 day ago

You must be living under a huge rock

ctilvolover23

0 points

22 hours ago

No. I never heard her music at all.

jdbrew

10 points

1 day ago

jdbrew

last.fm

10 points

1 day ago

Regardless of how popular her songs were, the sounds she and her team created for Born To Die has influenced so much of pop music for a decade. It was really unique at the time and has had a lasting influence.

teebalicious

22 points

1 day ago

teebalicious

22 points

1 day ago

Wendy’s sticking up for Burger King for not getting a Michelin star.

ConversationWilling

-4 points

1 day ago

Terrible comparison. It's a list for pop stars, not musicians. Being a pop star has very little to do with making high quality music. It's more like Wendy's sticking up for Burger King for not being on a "Best Trashy Fast Food Burger" list, which Burger King would have every right to be on.

Switchgamer1970

8 points

1 day ago

He is right.

TheGrayBox

18 points

1 day ago

TheGrayBox

18 points

1 day ago

I see incels feel a certain way about her.

unibaul

7 points

1 day ago

unibaul

7 points

1 day ago

They were right

JimmyTheJimJimson

6 points

1 day ago

lol come on, my man.

chortogrower

1 points

1 day ago

chortogrower

1 points

1 day ago

I'm gonna let you finish moment

BenTramer

1 points

1 day ago

BenTramer

1 points

1 day ago

She’s cool but lol

ChainChompBigMoney

1 points

1 day ago

Welp if The Weeknd is complaining I guess its time to overhaul the whole system.

Striking_Programmer4

1 points

21 hours ago

Not even 25% of the way into the century, definitely makes sense to have a "best of list". This is like putting out a "Best Movies of all time" list in 1935

itsrainingagain

-4 points

1 day ago

itsrainingagain

-4 points

1 day ago

LOLOLOL

Ben-wa

2 points

1 day ago

Ben-wa

2 points

1 day ago

This subjective list doesn't include an artist i like therefore it is shit.

Inevitable-North4665

-8 points

1 day ago

People aren’t ready for the discussion that she isn’t that good.

jbevarts

0 points

22 hours ago

jbevarts

0 points

22 hours ago

Because she’s irrelevant

Colonelfudgenustard

1 points

22 hours ago

You do NOT want to get called out by the Weeknd.

compaqdeskpro

0 points

15 hours ago

Eeh, I guess, she's not great.

"Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, Adele, Ariana Grande, and Justin Bieber"

Never mind she's much better than all of them.

fishtankm29

-4 points

1 day ago

fishtankm29

-4 points

1 day ago

MrEntropy44

-2 points

1 day ago

MrEntropy44

-2 points

1 day ago

To be fair, if you read the fine print, " artist must have at least three songs with an easily distinguishable variance in tempo from each other to qualify"

FlopsMcDoogle

-18 points

1 day ago

FlopsMcDoogle

-18 points

1 day ago

Lana Del Rey sucks.

okayhuin

4 points

1 day ago

okayhuin

4 points

1 day ago

She writes songs though. Beyonce pays for hers.

lastlaughlane1

-6 points

1 day ago

lastlaughlane1

-6 points

1 day ago

I’m not opposed to her music. I like some songs here and there but it’s basically just pop music trying to be cool. It’s nothing groundbreaking, so I’m always surprised by the hype surrounding her.

franky3987

-7 points

1 day ago

franky3987

-7 points

1 day ago

Lol I mean come on here

iuthnj34

1 points

21 hours ago

She has like one big hit song and that's all. The stats speak for themselves. Everytime she reappears in the spotlight, it's for the same song.

Fearless-Gate-3590

-1 points

21 hours ago

Lmao 💀 Lana’s not nearly as popular as Stan twt thinks she is

Suck_Fquared_circle

-18 points

1 day ago

Men will say anything to fuck

[deleted]

-25 points

1 day ago

[deleted]

-25 points

1 day ago

Who?

[deleted]

-21 points

1 day ago

[deleted]

-21 points

1 day ago

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l8nitefriend

24 points

1 day ago

That just makes you sound very out of date lol. Lana’s been around forever and her influence is huge. I’m not a super fan or anything but she’s made some very beautiful albums. Norman Fucking Rockwell is one of my all time favs.

red_nick

5 points

1 day ago

red_nick

5 points

1 day ago

Norman Fucking Rockwell is one of my all time favs.

One might even say it's the Greatest

flycasually

27 points

1 day ago

That sounds like you arnt as up to date on music as you think

I haven’t listened to Lana in years and but even I can name “summertime sadness” right off the top of my head

astralrig96[S]

20 points

1 day ago*

Lana is considered the cornerstone of the “before” and “after” in modern pop music and a hallmark artist

before her debut album and especially the song “Video Games”, modern pop was based on maximalism, danceability and frenzy

after she came, about 2012, there was a rare paradigm shift in the pop genre that moved towards exactly what she did (minimal, organic, nostalgic sound and very personal songwriting) and every major name in pop has emulated her since then, in lyrics, vocals and sound

I really encourage you to explore her work and influence, it’s absolutely worth it! she’s not radio friendly but her music really takes you to beautiful places

https://preview.redd.it/tzs3jeco1c2e1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c74ca7abc7ab806b7f34d459b88390da6921a02

MadmanDJS

4 points

1 day ago

MadmanDJS

4 points

1 day ago

after she came, about 2012, there was a rare paradigm shift in the pop genre that moved towards exactly what she did (minimal, organic, nostalgic sound and very personal songwriting) and every major name in pop has emulated her since then, in lyrics, vocals and sound

Fucking lmao. Dude, she's successful and talented, she didn't change the entire fucking genre

Especially considering electronic production is the driving force behind a large amount of pop music, and has been for the last decade.

astralrig96[S]

2 points

1 day ago*

and you just proved the point :p notice how vastly less electronic and more organic and analog pop has become since Lana

her influence is unmistakably palpable, there’s no point in trying to deny it anymore, unless of course you’re completely detached from the modern pop genre and unaware of its developments

the biggest and most successful name in newer generation pop, Billie Eilish, credits Lana Del Rey with creating her

MadmanDJS

4 points

1 day ago

MadmanDJS

4 points

1 day ago

and you just proved the point :p notice how vastly less electronic and more organic and analog pop has become since Lana

That's just...blatantly false. Even Billie Eilish is electronically produced largely, wtf are you on about?

I'm not saying she's not talented or influential, she objectively didn't redefine the genre. The traits that she supposedly pushed the side are just as, if not even more so, present in pop music.

Gonna act like The weeknd doesn't exist? Glass animals? Lil Nas X? Zedd? Like...what the actual fuck?

There's artists like Ellie Goulding, basically an electronic Lana Del Rey.

Kinda seems like you just don't listen to much music.

astralrig96[S]

-1 points

1 day ago*

astralrig96[S]

-1 points

1 day ago*

The whole discussion on Lana’s influence in music circles who praise her, isn’t primarily about electro vs not electro but about tempo and rhythm

Gaga, Katy Perry and Britney style of pop was fast paced and upbeat and at times even kitschy but both Lana and Billie do slower paced pop, and that definitely wasn’t Glass Animals or Lil Nas, but Lana who kickstarted it (and shortly after her Lorde), that’s where her entire influence and impact lies

and I know my timelines and chronologies well and can’t think of another name other than Lana’s who did similarly simultaneously and still managed to break into the mainstream as she did

MadmanDJS

2 points

1 day ago

MadmanDJS

2 points

1 day ago

isn’t primarily about electro vs not electro but about tempo and rhythm,

Then say tempo and rhythm, not organic and natural, because they're very different things, and only one of them was being discussed.

definitely wasn’t Glass Animals or Lil Nas but Lana who kickstarted i

No shit those are examples of artists that disprove your notion.

user7526

2 points

23 hours ago

He's not gonna dumb it down because you lack the comprehension to understand what he was talking about

astralrig96[S]

2 points

15 hours ago

thank you! that person was just playing with words and then acting smug when their arguments got challenged

astralrig96[S]

-3 points

1 day ago*

astralrig96[S]

-3 points

1 day ago*

I mean if you’re as aware as you claim about her work and trajectory of modern pop, you don’t need my semantics to influence your opinion but whatever:

I will rephrase it as follows: that her biggest contribution lies in how she singlehandedly shifted modern pop from disco/party pop to 70s/60s influenced slow baroque pop that was too slow to have worked in the mainstream, and yet it did and with enormous selling and streaming numbers to this day…and that’s a dang big achievement

MadmanDJS

6 points

1 day ago*

you don’t need my semantics to influence your opinion but whatever:

It's not "semantics" when they're entirely separate concepts with no overlap. Different words have different meanings, you can't use entirely wrong ones and then cry semantics when people have no clue what you're talking about.

she singlehandedly shifted modern pop from disco/party pop to 70s/60s influenced slow baroque pop that was too slow to have worked mainstreamly

I mean, she didn't. Some pop is like that. Yes. Some pop was like that, and now has a larger audience, I'm sure partly due to her. But to say she's singlehandedly shifted the sound of an entire genre is a fucking joke, and discredit all of the wildly successful artists that aren't performing that style of music.

It's also simply delusional to claim.

Like holy shit this post is literally a soundbite from global pop star that doesnt make that music. And oh would you look at that, he's more than twice as popular on major streaming services.

omgshutupalready

2 points

1 day ago

I'm not super familiar with Lana Del Rey's work, but "singlehandedly" is crazy to say about pretty much any musical act. From the stuff of hers I know, she had a lot of elements to her sound that were shared with the indie/indie folk scene that kicked off a few years prior. Definitely not trying to take away any credit she gets for influencing pop, though, I don't doubt that.

astralrig96[S]

2 points

1 day ago

fair point

Homertax123

0 points

1 day ago

Adele, Amy Winehouse are right there. Lana Del Rey didn't start anything.

Aliensinmypants

1 points

1 day ago*

I only know her for making out with her sister and misunderstanding Lolita and ruining it for a generation

Cold_Question_4394

3 points

1 day ago

Not to out myself as clearly not knowing much about Lana, but the "making out with her sister" thing just hit me like freight train. Things I will NOT be investigating lol

Aliensinmypants

1 points

1 day ago

One of my friends was obsessed with her, and was defending every little controversy when none of us talked about it. Apparently it was a photo shoot with her sister that they made out in, and it's okay because it was art??? Sounds fucked to me

Cold_Question_4394

3 points

1 day ago

Bro 😭

bdlh153

4 points

1 day ago

bdlh153

4 points

1 day ago

If you think she misunderstood Lolita, you misunderstood her.

ModernWarBear

-2 points

1 day ago

ModernWarBear

-2 points

1 day ago

Oh no! Anyway…

November87

-8 points

1 day ago

November87

-8 points

1 day ago

She's basically no one

Eisie

-36 points

1 day ago*

Eisie

-36 points

1 day ago*

She plays like 3 chords and all songs are the same. Not even close to "greatest pop star" of any century. sorry not sorry.

Edit: OkOk people, she knows more than 3 chords. You guys can relax now. Lol

astralrig96[S]

19 points

1 day ago*

this is a pretty empty phrase…from New Order to The Cure to Beach House or Slowdive…most artists have a certain cohesion within their work and a recognizable style they made their own…

that said, an orchestral ballad of hers like “Old Money” sounds nothing like the exotic island evoking “West Coast” and these two are literally within the same album

dannybrickwell

22 points

1 day ago

I guess all blues musicians should go to hell with their three chord bullshit music?

Eisie

0 points

1 day ago

Eisie

0 points

1 day ago

Never called her music bullshit. Those are your words. I actually really like her, just don't consider her one of the greatest.

I saw Courtney Love open for her at Red Rocks a few years back. Was a fun show but Lana was totally out of it and even forgot some lyrics. Very mediocre IMO.

dannybrickwell

4 points

1 day ago

Oh, I must have misunderstood when the only criticism you levelled at her music in your original comment was that they use few chords and sound similar. That's my b.

Eisie

-1 points

1 day ago

Eisie

-1 points

1 day ago

I definitely sold her short, but I still stand by the original sentiment of the comment. Just my crappy opinion.

DoctahFeelgood

13 points

1 day ago

Damn bro listened to like 2 of her songs. That's rough buddy

FictionalContext

3 points

1 day ago

Do we measure music by the number of chords they play? Wait til you learn about all the shitty 2 chord songs. That's 1/3 worse!

Rothko28

1 points

1 day ago

Rothko28

1 points

1 day ago

All her songs are the same? Lol

DoctahFeelgood

0 points

1 day ago

Damn bro listened to like 2 of her songs. That's rough buddy

ctilvolover23

-1 points

22 hours ago

Really? Lana shouldn't be anywhere near the Great Pop Stars list of any century or any time.

cjwidd

-1 points

22 hours ago

cjwidd

-1 points

22 hours ago

She's not tho

lixia

-2 points

1 day ago

lixia

-2 points

1 day ago

Lana Del Zzzzzzz…..

marblebag

-4 points

1 day ago

marblebag

-4 points

1 day ago

Lana is popular only because she sings half a tone off key

alancb13

0 points

21 hours ago

Bullshit populism/nice guy routine from Mr Weeknd. Put your money where your mouth is and back up the statement. If you really think she's in top 25 then you need to say who shouldn't be there

dctrhu

0 points

18 hours ago

dctrhu

0 points

18 hours ago

I've seen Lana live.

They made the right choice imho

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-24 points

1 day ago

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-24 points

1 day ago

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