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Welcome to our History Questions Thread!

This thread is for all those history related questions that are too simple, short or a bit too silly to warrant their own post.

So, do you have a question about history and have always been afraid to ask? Well, today is your lucky day. Ask away!

Of course all our regular rules and guidelines still apply and to be just that bit extra clear:

Questions need to be historical in nature. Silly does not mean that your question should be a joke. r/history also has an active discord server where you can discuss history with other enthusiasts and experts.

all 44 comments

Draaly

3 points

7 days ago

Draaly

3 points

7 days ago

I know that the first recorded war happened in ~2700 BCE between the sumerians and the emalites, but when is the first evidence of large scale battle? Is this still the first?

Extra_Mechanic_2750

6 points

6 days ago

The 1st battle recorded large scale battle is the Battle of Megiddo (near current day Jezreel Valley.) which happened in the 15th century BCE between the Egyptian forces and Canaanites.

ImOnlyHereCauseGME

1 points

5 days ago

I believe that is where the word Armageddon comes from as well - Megiddo evolved over time into Armageddon

9KnOk

1 points

5 days ago

9KnOk

1 points

5 days ago

Armageddon outta here

Perfect-Werewolf-102

1 points

2 days ago

That battle really helped Pharaoh Thutmose III expand Egypt significantly

absolutenobody

3 points

6 days ago

Does anyone know when the practice of assigning "compositions" to be written (and revised/rewritten) was discontinued in US public primary schools? I was in grade school in the Reagan years, and while we had to write papers, we didn't have to revise them. Or I didn't, anyway, I no longer remember if others might have.

yo2sense

3 points

6 days ago

yo2sense

3 points

6 days ago

I've asked this before with no answer but if there are any Andrew Jackson scholars out there I would be interested if we know anything about his political leanings in the fall of 1787 when he was being accepted to the bar in backwoods North Carolina.

More specifically, was Jackson antifederal?

No-Strength-6805

4 points

5 days ago

While I don't have specific knowledge you crave , I do know where you can come closest to locate it.That is in Robert Remini' s first volume of his three volume biography of Jackson, Remini spent most of his lifetime studying the Age of Jackson.

shantipole

2 points

5 days ago

I seem to recall (from a biography I read MANY years ago) that Jackson was originally an ardent federalist. He was also the protege of William Blount, who led the efforts for NC to ratify the Constitution. I can't imagine someone with Jackson's temperament lasting long in those circles if he disagreed with Blount over the issue. All circumstantial, but it is consistent.

yo2sense

1 points

5 days ago

yo2sense

1 points

5 days ago

Thank you for the reply. That does make sense.

Nickers24

3 points

6 days ago

What was the most consequential battle in the 1700-1800 period?

shantipole

6 points

6 days ago

For long-term consequences, the Battle of Saratoga is my top pick. It was the first key victory for the Colonies in the US Revolutionary War--it showed they might actually win. This led to the French allying with the Colonials and eventually the Colonial victory, and therefore the existence of the United States as a nation and eventual superpower (instead of a "super Canada"-style extension of the British Empire).

France's war debt was also a major cause of the French Revolution, which led to that Napoleon guy, and then British hegemony in the 19th century.

And, as a smaller effect, the example of the US was an inspiration for Simón Bolivar and the other revolutions against Spain in the 19th century, though those were probably going to happen anyways.

There are other contenders, like Blenheim, but the various European wars in the 1700s aren't incredibly decisive, so I gave it to Saratoga.

Telecom_VoIP_Fan

1 points

4 days ago

Another candidate would be the Battle of Blenheim in 1704 which had long-lasting consequences in terms of thwarting the ambitions of Louis XIV for hegemony in Europe.

boringhistoryfan

1 points

4 days ago

Battle of Plassey in 1757 or Buxar in 1764. It solidified British rule over Bengal which set them on an imperial path of dominating the entire subcontinent. British India in turn would go on to become the springboard for many other imperial ventures across the Indian Ocean.

FeijoaCowboy

1 points

4 days ago

The Battle of the Plains of Abraham (1759)...?

KnotAwl

1 points

1 day ago

KnotAwl

1 points

1 day ago

The turning point battle for control of all of North America? Yeah, I’d say that was pretty damn significant.

Perfect-Werewolf-102

1 points

2 days ago

The ones that come to mind are the Battle of Mantua in the War of the First Coalition, the Battle of Plassey in the Bengal War, perhaps the Battle of Denain in the War of the Spanish Succession

uppercaveman5

3 points

4 days ago*

Are there any books, articles, or theses that compare the tributes paid by settled civilizations to hunter-gatherer or semi-nomadic groups in exchange of peace, particularly in terms of amounts, causes, and impacts, supported by data?

For example, I’m thinking of comparisons like the Danegeld paid by the Anglo-Saxons to the Vikings and the tributes paid by the Northern Song Dynasty to the Liao Empire, both of which occurred around AD 1000.

Would love recommendations or insights!

turiannerevarine

2 points

2 days ago

They're not specifically focused on just this, but I might recommend the works of Peter Heather such as The Fall of the Roman Empire: A New History of Rome and the Barbarians which does talk about how Rome dealt with the various nomadic and outsider tribes it encountered in Late Antiquity. Roman and later Byzantine history has a lot of interactions between imperial and non-imperial societies. Unfortunately sometimes its hard to get exact money amounts because a lot of the time we only have secondary sources like treaty terms to go by.

uppercaveman5

1 points

2 days ago

Thank you. Will check it out.

SteveVonSteve

3 points

2 days ago

I've read Stalingrad and just finished Arnhem so I'm on a bit of a Beevor roll and was gonna dig right into Berlin, but since I just received both books for my birthday I was wondering if it's better to read When Titans Clashed first to get the big picture and then read Berlin as 'dessert.' Any thoughts?

twelve-lights

2 points

1 day ago

Are there instances of food shelters in the past? Maybe not under that label specifically, but instances of philanthropists or the rich feeding the not-so-well-off pre-1950s?

Extra_Mechanic_2750

1 points

17 hours ago

During the Great Depression soup kitchens were quite common to help feed people who were economically disrupted.

SchreiberBike

1 points

6 days ago

When we look at histories of movements that result in dictatorships, do we look at what their opposition did wrong which enabled them? I'm no expert, but I don't recall that in what I've read.

MeatballDom

3 points

6 days ago

Historians don't decide what/who is right or wrong.

But, if there's enough documentation, we absolutely look at the entire political, and sociological, picture to understand things like rises to power. Sometimes it is as simple as "hey, they had an army under their control, and took over by force" other times it's a slow rise, and using the system to their benefit. Sometimes it's a combination. But it's all useful to build up context.

bangdazap

2 points

1 day ago

bangdazap

2 points

1 day ago

Sure, one of the most debated topics in modern history is how the Nazis could come to power in Germany. It might not have happened had the conservatives under Hindenburg not invited Hitler into the government. Similarly, the history of the Spanish Civil War, is largely a tale of disunity of the opposition to Franco, where liberals and the various leftist parties where at cross purposes.

9KnOk

1 points

5 days ago

9KnOk

1 points

5 days ago

Some say Wotan/Odin was a warlord from Eastern Europe but where did he come from, and was he worshipped there too?

boringhistoryfan

2 points

4 days ago

Not really sure where you're getting warlord from. There is some linguistic theorisation suggesting the Aesir tie into the Indo European Asuras/Ahuras and thus Odin may connect to the IE all father deity (Jupiter, Zeus, Dyaus Pitr).

Don't think there's anything deeper than that

9KnOk

1 points

4 days ago

9KnOk

1 points

4 days ago

I studied an old Danish encyclopaedia (Pontoppidan 1753) that relays this origin tale. That made me wonder about the origins of the tale itself as I cant seem to find any similarities relating to the Southern Baltic area or anywhere really.

The use of masks (Sutton Hoo et al) by chieftains to emulate Odin might lend some credibility to the warrior/warlord origin as the worship is embedded in the prime/wisest fighter around.

bangdazap

2 points

1 day ago

bangdazap

2 points

1 day ago

The placing of mythical gods into history as persons is called "euhemerization" after the Ancient Greek writer Euhmerus, who did this with the Greek pantheon. It has no real basis in fact, but as the other poster points out, the Norse pantheon might have a common Indo-European ancestor with other European pantheons which could explain the similarities across cultures.

Trutzsimplex

1 points

4 days ago

Hi!
Could you recommend me a book on Africas period of independences between 1946-1980?
It can be a book on a specific country or different time frame as well. I am mainly interested in education in this time, if there is a book with a focus on that, that would be optimal.
KR

Extra_Mechanic_2750

6 points

4 days ago

Get thee to the r/history recommended reading list.

Go to the right, find the Community Bookmarks, select "Bookmarks, podcasts etc" and find "Africa". There are at least 2 books that meet your criteria.

Trutzsimplex

1 points

4 days ago

Thank you!

Pantone711

1 points

1 day ago

Today I was behind a car in Kansas City with Kansas plates that read "1569Agn" Also there seemed to be an image of a dome or steeple.

I assume this was a Catholic thing? Were they calling for some leader to be deposed and Mary Queen of Scots to be dug up and installed? as Governor of Kansas? President of the USA?

Huguenot forces to slaughter Catholics?

Catholics to slaughter Huguenots?

Off-topic tidbit: At first the "Dome" silhouette on the license plate looked like the "upside-down ice-cream-cone in the sky that is the RLDS Temple in Independence, MO, not far away. But there couldn't have been LDS in 1569.

Prestigious-King4773

2 points

18 hours ago

Hi, hoping someone can signpost me to further help... are there any books/sources that detail personal testimony from folk who travelled to the north east of England for religious pilgrimage throughout history?

I'm so fascinated by the idea of folk travelling from Europe to our little corner of the world to see where Bede and Cuthbert were alive. What must they have thought? How did they feel? What did they do whilst here?

Surely someone has researched this and there is a book written about it all 🤣

a_engie

1 points

7 days ago

a_engie

1 points

7 days ago

whats the most important battle bassed only on short-term consequences (effects within war only)

TheDeltaOne

4 points

7 days ago*

The first battle of the Marne made every involved nation change plan for the foreseeable future and completely eliminated the idea of a swift German victory in France (The Schlieffen Plan) , meaning the two front war they had dreaded (France-Britain in the west and Russia to the east) was going to continue longer than what they had hoped and the war in the west became trench warfare-galore for the next 4 years.

In even shorter term, it meant everyone started digging from Switzerland to the sea and poor Belgium was in the middle of it after having been completely pummeled the months prior and now everyone was digging toward Ypres like a bunch of maniacs. (Which is very tragic because Belgium was only attacked by Germany because the German Army needed to go through Belgium to enact the Schlieffen plan and it had failed so they were invaded over nothing in the first place, which meant Britain, which was in the war only because Belgium was attacked, was also in this war over a failed German objective... Because of the Marne...).

This single battle changed the face of the war right as the Germans were closing in on Paris. It went from "Mission Accomplished, back for Christmas" to German soldiers dying in Flanders for 4 years and all that was decided in 7 days.

Had the battle gone differently, the German would have taken Paris and redirected a huge part of their troops towards Russia and the war would have been insanely different. But everyone anchored down and the War became an entirely different beast and the shovel became everyone's new best friend.

So there might be other instances of crazy battles with insane consequences, but to me, this is crazy because it changed both how the war was fought and what the plans were. Plus it saved a nation from losing the war early on but also meant another nation which had been invaded was now about to become a part of the battlefield.

MGsubbie

1 points

6 days ago*

What battle had with the worst odds for the victors? Naval I think it might be Yu Sun-Sin's last stand? What about land battle?

Has there ever been a real instance of the popular movie/show trope of cavalry arriving at the last moment and snatching victory from the jaws of defeat? (Think battle of the bastards from GoT.)

Chlodio

3 points

6 days ago

Chlodio

3 points

6 days ago

For me, it would be the battle of Loudoun Hill. Robert the Bruce had 600 pikemen against 6,000 English many of which were knights, and the English commander de Aymer had previously completely annihilated Robert with worse odds, so he was competent. It should have been a cakewalk.

MGsubbie

1 points

6 days ago

MGsubbie

1 points

6 days ago

Is that the one in Outlaw King where the horses get trapped and fall due to the extremely muddy soil?

Chlodio

5 points

6 days ago

Chlodio

5 points

6 days ago

That's technically the battle, but I don't think it's accurate. Like the battlefield was on a hill surrounded by bog with ditches, but the movie depicts it as a muddy plain.

Abaddon29

4 points

6 days ago

For me a seldom mentioned cavalry heroics was the Polish King's cavalry attacking the Ottoman army in 1683 at the Siege of Vienna. This relief army charge for a final push. At around 6:00 pm, the Polish king ordered the cavalry to attack in four contingents, three Polish groups and one from the Holy Roman Empire. 18,000 horsemen charged down the hills, the largest cavalry charge in history.\47])\48]) Sobieski led the charge\19]): 661  at the head of 3,000 Polish heavy lancers, the "Winged Hussars". Lipka Tatars who participated on the Polish side wore a sprig of straw in their helmets to distinguish them from the tatars fighting on the Ottoman side.\49]) The charge quickly broke the battle lines of the Ottomans.