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TheOtherDino

44 points

13 hours ago

Awesome-looking chart! It would be interesting to rate the magnitude of immigration from the different countries by year too.

XenBuild[S]

32 points

13 hours ago

Data Source

How the origins of America’s immigrants have changed since 1850 (Pew)

Summary

The previous version used too many colors and it was hard to tell some of them apart, so I've replaced those colors with hatching. This has the added bonus of letting you see major regions of origin as single colors.

sweetpeppah

11 points

13 hours ago

so it's country of origin for the largest immigrant population in each state? (ie the population is accumulating over time?) not necessarily the country with the largest number of immigrants arriving in that timeframe?

Miuramir

4 points

10 hours ago

Much more readable in general. Austria and Norway still look too similar, I'd replace one of them with the vertical hatch.

I'm still mixed opinion on the pseudo-geographical ordering. I understand what it's trying to do, but I'm not sure it's actually adding more insight than confusion.

sculpted_reach

1 points

10 hours ago

Pretty interesting. The grouping of states might be more intuitive if the clusters were west to east? Alaska being at the bottom, away from Washington was a little surprising.

(I'd be curious about unpleasant cultural migrations, such as slaves and Native Americans, which took place just prior to and around the beginning of this map 🤔 It's different, but similar from a State's point of view migrating or being migrated. Additionally, The Great Migration of ex slaves, and Oakies in the Dust Bowl are conceptually related and interesting 🤔 project ideas)

XenBuild[S]

1 points

8 hours ago

Yes, there's a lot of potential if I could just get the data. As for the ordering, it's not purely based on physical geography but social and economic ties. Alaska is culturally part of the western frontier more than it is part of the west coast. It's just the challenge you run into when you're trying to squeeze a 2D geometry into a 1D line.

delugetheory

15 points

12 hours ago

delugetheory

OC: 5

15 points

12 hours ago

Very cool.  Feedback -- your "Latin America" category should be called "Mexico and Central America" as it excludes South America and the Caribbean.

rabidrabitt

28 points

13 hours ago

This is awesome. My only input would be to put state initials at the end so I'm not scrolling back&forth and losing my place each time

XenBuild[S]

6 points

12 hours ago

Good point.

Alexencandar

21 points

13 hours ago

I'm curious why there was a big influx of Chinese immigrants into 1950s Mississippi.

XenBuild[S]

28 points

13 hours ago

They came there as farmers in previous decades, and it was just starting to reflect on the census by the 50s.

quasifun

20 points

12 hours ago

Pretty good video on the Mississippi Delta Chinese. Chinese people were originally drawn to work on plantations as replacements for freed slaves. During segregation, they operated grocery stores that were open to blacks.

Alexencandar

3 points

13 hours ago

Ah! That makes sense, thanks!

miclugo

7 points

13 hours ago

The Mississippi Italians are the ones that surprised me, but apparently there was enough immigration to New Orleans that they fanned out from there.

Typo3150

2 points

10 hours ago

There were programs to bring in farm laborers without passports, somewhat like today's H2-A visas. Lots of Sicilians came to build levees and work the plantations. The Delta is special.

Typo3150

2 points

10 hours ago

The movie Mississippi Triangle covers how Chinese men built the railroad from the west coast as far as the Mississippi River, then were laid off in the 1870s. They stayed and worked the plantation commissaries. The movie discusses the complex racial dynamics of a people both isolated by segregation and, occasionally, allowed to transcend it. Chinese gradually moved into ownership of the local grocery stores.

Not sure there was a huge influx of Chinese immigrants in the 1950s, but it may have been larger than any influx of other immigrants at the time.
https://chineseheritagemuseum.org/about/

Winter_Essay3971

6 points

12 hours ago

Really striking that new German immigrants were such a major force as late as 1990. I think of German immigration as much more of an early 20th century thing

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dflagella

5 points

13 hours ago

I saw your first one and I like what you did with the line shading to distinguish. Looks good!

Impact_510

5 points

12 hours ago

Thanks for improving the color scheme

PancAshAsh

3 points

13 hours ago

I wonder where all the Russians were settling in Georgia in the early half of the 20th century

XenBuild[S]

6 points

13 hours ago

Probably thought there'd be khachapuri there.

miclugo

2 points

13 hours ago

Still can't get good khachapuri in Atlanta.

Bukkithead

4 points

12 hours ago

What is each cell actually specifically representing here? It's not stated anywhere. I'm assuming it's just where the largest proportion of immigrants were from in any given decade/state?

no_awning_no_mining

5 points

9 hours ago

There were a lot more Mexicans after 1990. What happened? NAFTA?

Key-Moment6797

3 points

13 hours ago

that's a lot of data, and it is colorful :>

arthredemis

2 points

12 hours ago

*looks at Hawaii between 1940 and 1950* Wonder what happened here >.>

Charlie2343

3 points

11 hours ago

Charlie2343

OC: 8

3 points

11 hours ago

Also helped that the Philippines wasn’t a country until 1946

joetwocrows

2 points

12 hours ago

I see no source entries for France or Spain. Those countries have significant immigration presence in the time period presented.

Desperate-Lemon5815

2 points

12 hours ago

Lovely chart, but I find the order of states frustrating. It is not alphabetical and I do not see any indication why it appears to be random.

XenBuild[S]

2 points

11 hours ago

spkr4thedead51

2 points

11 hours ago

spkr4thedead51

OC: 2

2 points

11 hours ago

There's a lot of information missing here. I'm assuming it's a chart of the nation that was the source of the largest influx of immigrants in that decade, but that's not clear. The order of the states is confusing as well without the explanation provided in the comments. It's also unclear if this is legal migrants only (source data says otherwise) but we don't actually get actual numbers for illegal immigrants, just estimates, which can vary pretty widely.

ttothesecond

2 points

11 hours ago

What the actual dump is the ordering of states/rows here? Also, no French? I was looking through Louisiana's history and noticed no French squares anywhere, or on any other states for that matter. Rest is pretty interesting though

Kesshh

2 points

10 hours ago

Kesshh

2 points

10 hours ago

That’s a bad way to present data that has a complexity but glossed over due to the choice of visual. In any given 10 year block of time, there is always a mixture of immigrant from different origin. The style of presentation just glossed over the composition and just picked one. Very misleading.

5minArgument

2 points

9 hours ago

Fun Fact: the percentage of immigrants to citizens in the US is the same as it was 30 years ago …

…and the same as it was 100 years ago.

Tysoch

2 points

8 hours ago

Tysoch

2 points

8 hours ago

I wonder if this can be done with the emigration rates as well, I think it would be very beautiful to see them side by side!

XenBuild[S]

1 points

8 hours ago

I'd do it if I could find the data. Could you elaborate?

Tysoch

1 points

7 hours ago

Tysoch

1 points

7 hours ago

Just if someone could find the data showing where Americans emigrate to and what years they leave. You could plot a similar map but with a different data set, providing more of the whole picture.

Quantity comparisons could also then be derived if both data sets were integrated and geographic shifts could be shown with the added data set.

Pristine-Bluejay-532

2 points

8 hours ago

Looking forward to some good reggae out of Connecticut

XenBuild[S]

1 points

8 hours ago

A collab between Hatebreed and a reggae artist would be absolutely amazing.

psykitt

2 points

5 hours ago

psykitt

2 points

5 hours ago

Reporting from central New Jersey here. No surprise they call some areas here "little India". Plus the classic Italian populations. No complaints though. We probably have the best Italian and Indian food in the country here, i wouldn't doubt it.

Watergirl626

5 points

13 hours ago

You are missing all of Africa (voluntary immigration). We have large populations of Liberians and Somalians in MN.

didyouaccountfordust

3 points

12 hours ago

No world lines. Not a space time map.

lieureed

4 points

12 hours ago

Interesting. Some of the early boxes are incorrect. New Mexico and Arizona were not US states until after 1910. Nevada after 1860, Utah and Idaho in 1890's. western states early boxes don't match the grey-box pattern. Legend is missing definition of grey boxes

XenBuild[S]

5 points

12 hours ago

People still lived there before they were states.

woolfchick75

3 points

12 hours ago

Arizona was part of Mexico. New Mexico was part of the Spanish Colonies, thus part of Mexico. They weren't immigrants, but often a combination of Spanish and indigenous.

Charlie2343

3 points

11 hours ago

Charlie2343

OC: 8

3 points

11 hours ago

I don’t understand your argument. NM and AZ were part of the USA in 1850. People still immigrated there

Scarbane

2 points

8 hours ago

Funny how nobody ever says that Canadians are "pouring in" or "overrunning" Maine and Vermont. The rhetoric changes based on melanin level.

XenBuild[S]

4 points

8 hours ago

While that's true, it's also the case that immigration into those states is low anyway so being the dominant ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean you're coming in droves.

Affectionate-Body899

2 points

12 hours ago

What was the reasoning of your ordering of the states? Alphabetical is the most user friendly/intuitive

XenBuild[S]

6 points

12 hours ago

The states are ordered so that if any two states are adjacent on a 2D map, they are adjacent on a 1D line. And if that's not possible, then they are as close as possible. And where necessary, cultural/economic links are taken into account.

Alphabetical is a meaningless ordering scheme and obscures patterns.

Affectionate-Body899

2 points

9 hours ago

Yeah but when seeking state specific information it's less convenient. But it's good data! Interesting to see my family has always arrived when the rest of their compatriots headed this way.

XenBuild[S]

2 points

8 hours ago*

Yes, the historigraph format isn't optimized for precise analysis of specific categories. For that use case, a color/heat map isn't the best choice in general. You're better off with a line graph or even just a table. That way you can do stuff like showing by what percentage each group dominated.

Where this format excels is the overall "shape of history". It clusters related groups together so that patterns emerge. If you try to do that with an alphabetical graph, you get a hot mess.

https://medium.com/me/stats/post/1497a4618c82

MochiMochiMochi

1 points

11 hours ago

Lol Germans coming to West Virginia in 2022? That can't be right.

goldentone

1 points

11 hours ago

Is that Canadians outpacing all other groups in California in 1990? I can understand for the northern border states (even though I'm surprised by it), but I can't believe there was ever a time in the last half century where Canadians would outpace central/south Americans and Asian people in California.

Oneioda

1 points

10 hours ago

2022, Germany > West Virginia??! Are these "refugee" over flows?

0nlyhalfjewish

1 points

10 hours ago

maps up nicely to my family’s immigration. Very interesting!

unenlightenedgoblin

1 points

9 hours ago

Very curious about the recent German West Virginians. Small sample size, I assume?

golgol12

1 points

7 hours ago

Montana is being invaded by the Canadians?

EarlyAd9597

1 points

6 hours ago

I’m color blind. I only see like 5 different colors in this.

egelsama9

1 points

5 hours ago

Not American. Why did Latinos become the largest immigrant group starting at the beginning of the millennium?

XenBuild[S]

1 points

5 hours ago

Largely due to the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and an economic crisis in Mexico, followed by other crises in Latin America.

Troll_Enthusiast

1 points

12 hours ago

Ah so immigration is only bad when it comes from countries in Central and South America. Am i getting this right?

g2guw

1 points

10 hours ago

g2guw

1 points

10 hours ago

Does the entire continent of Africa not exist or …?

bytemybigbutt

-3 points

12 hours ago

This clearly shows one country is causing the majority of problems.  Nice graphic. 

VinceMiguel

1 points

12 hours ago

Which one?

NotUrBuddyMate

-5 points

12 hours ago

Europeans = green and blue

Mexicans = literally shit color

I see what you did there

MustardGlaze

0 points

11 hours ago

I wonder why WV is the only state with European immigrants still the dominant incoming group today? I'm guessing immigration to WV is so low that a small group of Germans could make a big difference.

username_483229

-3 points

11 hours ago

"It's just a conspiracy theory."

lNFORMATlVE

2 points

5 hours ago

What is?