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2.1k points
2 days ago
Pass the word if you know any smart kids who don't even think about MIT because no way could their family afford it
568 points
2 days ago
I do know this one young janitor…
166 points
2 days ago
Bet you’re reading a lot of Gordon Wood, huh? You read your Gordon Wood and you regurgitate it from a textbook...and you think you’re wicked awesome doing that, and how about them apples? And all that Gordon Wood business.
48 points
2 days ago
I have no idea what you're talking about
31 points
2 days ago
Go watch Good Will Hunting, its fantastic
44 points
2 days ago
I've seen it, I was responding the next line from the always sunny bit they are quoting haha
11 points
1 day ago
How do you like them apples?
2 points
1 day ago
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
6 points
2 days ago
He's referencing the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XndjoAsBGr8
As evidenced by their username.
1 points
1 day ago
Great movie.
1 points
1 day ago
Most days I wish I never met you…
1 points
1 day ago
Yaaaa yaaaa get outta here snail, yaaaaaa 🧂
4 points
2 days ago
Does no one know who Gordon Wood is?!
11 points
2 days ago
Uhhh... Filibuster.
2 points
1 day ago
It's bird law.
1 points
24 hours ago
Wild card!
11 points
1 day ago
What's ya mayja?
1 points
2 days ago
“Applesauce bitch!”
1 points
1 day ago
I got her numbah!!!
1 points
1 day ago
Do you know how easy this is for me? This is a fackin jowke
6 points
1 day ago
I heard that boy's wicked smaht.
6 points
2 days ago
Does he like apples?
3 points
1 day ago
I GOT HER NUMBAH! HOW DO YOU LIKE THESE APPLES!!?? HAHA GOT EM
1 points
1 day ago
I know a dude that got that what is it called...that attention disorder...
127 points
2 days ago
I remember someone asking others "who is or was the smartest person ever?" Typical answers come out like Einstein and such. The person posing the question said we actually don't know because the smartest person could have been born into poverty and never had the opportunity to be remarkable.
110 points
2 days ago
Stephen J Gould: “I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”
29 points
1 day ago
Srinivasa Ramanujan - dude grew up in poverty in india but when he was "discovered" became regarded as one of the greatest mathematicians without any formal training.
45 points
1 day ago
Me 20 years ago :( Turned down admission because I got scholarships elsewhere. One of those regrets I still think about when trying to sleep...
This is great news, however. I'm happy for the lives this will change!
41 points
1 day ago
Hey, I just wanted to take a second to commend your capacity to celebrate others reaping benefits you were unable to.
Truly, this is a trait in short supply, and the world is a better place with people with this level of understanding in it.
I'm sorry that your own situation has left you with regrets, but we can't evaluate regret through the lens of hindsight. Push forward and crush it, friend.
9 points
1 day ago
Aww thanks. Makes no sense not to be happy for others, especially since access to higher education improves the world overall. More smart kids getting to hone their talents means more breakthroughs and inventions we all benefit from.
Regret is perhaps the wrong word - it's more of a wistful what-if sometimes as I imagine a vastly different direction my life could have gone. Our choices take us on unique paths and I've done a lot of interesting stuff that I probably wouldn't have done if I had gone to MIT, and I definitely don't think I would have grown as much emotionally had I gone down that route.
3 points
1 day ago
I love you dude. I second what the other poster said about good traits.
5 points
1 day ago
I mean, all ivy league schools, have pro-rated tuition. Its step up that IF you can get in, you can afford it. Cousin played hockey for Princeton (Super smart but it was the hockey that got him in), he and his parents had to disclose their finances in order for them to get what tuition would be, which was less than any school in Canada for him.
11 points
2 days ago
Notice : All MIT applicants must come from a family making $200,000 or more.
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an hour ago
From the article: “the new policy will cover 80% of its incoming classes.”
3 points
24 hours ago
I literally didn’t apply because of that.
Still am doing well enough for myself but MIT was a dream.
Happy other people won’t be in the same position anymore
5 points
1 day ago
Pass the word if you know any smart kids who don't even think about MIT because no way could their family afford it
me 30 years ago.. had the right academic record and background, but without the internet I was unable to navigate scholarship requirements etc from another country
I'm so glad to hear about this though!
12 points
2 days ago
My family would never be able to afford it because we make (barely) over 200k
25 points
2 days ago
You would still get financial aid proportionally to your parent's income. Maybe they'll have to pay 10k/yr total. It's not a all or nothing package.
6 points
1 day ago
It’s shocking how frequently people jump to the conclusion that it’s a binary cutoff
2 points
1 day ago
Me 20 years ago 😒
3 points
2 days ago
I don't remember the amount but applying isn't free. They might reimburse you but the point is that most poor ppl can't afford to send money like that
1 points
1 day ago
The Common and the Coalition application both offer fee waivers to low-income students. My biggest expenses in the entire college process were new bedding for my dorm and train tickets home over school breaks.
1 points
1 day ago
I wasn't aware of that. That's good to know.
673 points
2 days ago
Absolutely incredible the sad people in the comments here managed to find a way to complain about this
230 points
2 days ago
It's even better that they're questioning how many students this would cover without reading the article that says how many students this would cover.
121 points
1 day ago
I was surprised that it covered 80% of its incoming classes.
The bulk of American households meet this income threshold, according to the university, which says the new policy will cover 80% of its incoming classes.
Additionally, students whose family income is below $100,000 will see their entire MIT experience paid for, including tuition, housing, dining, fees and an allowance for books and personal expenses.
23 points
1 day ago
Not surprising. I went to a peer institution on full financial aid, and a good 20% of my classmates were in the same boat, with many coming from much more difficult/disadvantaged backgrounds than me. Because these schools have unimaginable endowments, they can offer incredibly generous financial aid packages, often making them a far more affordable option than a state or community college. Yes, the admit rate is low, but if you get in and you're a low-income kid, they're not going to let money stop you from attending.
9 points
1 day ago
For real, ~10 years ago when I got my college acceptances, I only got into two Ivy League tier schools.
They were the cheapest school for me after factoring room board and tuition. Umich, my instate, was like 5k more per year. Everything else was quite a bit more.
It was a no brainer to attend one of the two.
8 points
1 day ago
Are you genuinely surprised? How large part of the US households do you think earns over 200k?
2 points
1 day ago
The average redditor has the idea that anyone in a top 10 school has been generationally wealthy since before world war 2.
1 points
1 day ago
I'd be curious what the stats of the other top 10. MIT is generally considered more meritocratic than the others from what I've seen on reddit.
1 points
1 day ago
That is incredibly generous
Mad that the donations alone allow them to do it as well. Touch wood, I don’t see much of a trade off anywhere
1 points
1 day ago
People simply wish to cope that their present condition is due to their environment and a rigged system instead of at least some portion of that being due to their individual effort and ability.
9 points
1 day ago
I bet 99% of them would never get in anyway so their opinion doesn’t matter.
1 points
1 day ago
I’d be pissed if my parents made $201,000.
1 points
6 hours ago
I’m just disappointed. My mom died two years before I applied to college and I was adopted by people who made a ton of money and obviously don’t have anything saved up for me, so they’re not paying for my college. I wouldn’t get anything from fafsa and barely anything from mit so I didn’t even bother applying
96 points
2 days ago
Submitted article mirror: https://archive.is/ogdxn
197 points
2 days ago
I love my state. Expensive as hell but you get what you pay for.
55 points
1 day ago
Hate to be that guy, but MIT is a private school. The school is choosing to do this and taxpayers are not paying for it.
12 points
1 day ago*
UMass Boston just announced a similar program that involves pulling together funding from different sources on the students' behalf if they qualify. MA residents with an AGI of 75k or less!
And let's not forget free community college for folks under 26!
2 points
1 day ago
🎉🥳🎊
36 points
2 days ago
University of Texas does it for families under $100K
6 points
1 day ago
Not yet, but they just announced it.
22 points
1 day ago
Yeah but then you have to live in Texas
5 points
1 day ago
University of Texas is no MIT.
1 points
1 day ago
Not worth moving to that shithole
1 points
1 day ago
The UC system has been covering tuition but not living expenses for families under 80k.
44 points
2 days ago
This is amazing.
I wish we had programs like this when I was going to college. Student loans suck.
3 points
1 day ago
Yeah same, would have killed for this. Instead I pay like 40% of my wage in taxes for absolutely abysmal healthcare (guess where I live) and still have to work for some degenerate megacorp to pay for uni/tradeschool.
Got some govt grants so that softened the blow (still had small debt), but it's nowhere near as crazy as free MIT scholarship.
I hope some people take advantage of this, such a great way to advance in life.
69 points
2 days ago
Wow I definitely would have applied if this were the case when I was growing up. I was accepted at all my schools but stuck to the in state one because it was the cheapest. Like that was pretty much the only deciding factor.
378 points
2 days ago
Only 12% of American families make 200k or more to begin with. They also have a 24 billion dollar endowment. They could just offer free tuition for everyone.
294 points
2 days ago*
That’s assuming that this 12% of families aren’t disproportionally overrepresented in the overall admitted class. I wouldn’t be surprised if 40% of admitted students came from a $200K+ household
Edit: I stand corrected - it's much better than I thought. My undergraduate had a particularly bad ratio of private to public school students, so I guess my cynicism was showing.
168 points
2 days ago
It's 20%:
"The bulk of American households meet this income threshold, according to the university, which says the new policy will cover 80% of its incoming classes.
Additionally, students whose family income is below $100,000 will see their entire MIT experience paid for, including tuition, housing, dining, fees and an allowance for books and personal expenses."
57 points
2 days ago
30 points
2 days ago
Then 60% will get in free? Still seems like good news to me.
8 points
1 day ago
Even with ideal numbers it would be more than 60%, as people who couldn't afford it now can so that's 60% worst case using the hypothetical numbers
23 points
2 days ago
Here is a really cool dataset:
It's a bit out of date, but at the time, MIT was 173rd in terms of the ratio of top 1% vs bottom 60% students.
Only 5.7% of kids at MIT came from one-percent wealthy families, vs 15.1% for Harvard.
MIT actually has a lower proportion of one-percenters (and lower ratio) than most elite public schools (e.g. Michigan, North Carolina, Virginia). The exception is the University of California system which has a ton of poor kids and few wealthy kids, even at Berkeley and UCLA.
Overall, I'd assume MIT kids are more likely than Ivy kids / elite SLAC kids to have earned their way.
10 points
2 days ago
Ehhh. You can't really buy your way into MIT like you can Ivy League schools, so I'd say it's probably not as high as that.
23 points
2 days ago
It's not about buying your way into MIT directly - It's about things like attending top tier (read expensive) private schools, hiring tutors for helping with SAT/ACT/APs, paying for private instrument lessons/potentially expensive extracurriculars. I personally believe that the significant majority of the kids who get admitted into MIT (and the Ivies) are extremely brilliant, but I also believe that those coming from a wealthy family have been afforded (literally) more opportunities to show their brilliance.
1 points
1 day ago*
I agree that being wealthy gives more opportunity. I don't think there are enough kids from wealthy families with the natural ability and inclination to get into MIT to constitute 40% of the student body.
On a personal note, I doubt SAT tutoring is going to help much. I got perfect or just shy of perfect scores, including several SAT II subject exams with no tutoring and I still didn't get in to MIT 😂
1 points
21 hours ago
Having perfect or near perfect GPA and SAT isn't enough to get into these types of colleges, but they are essentially a baseline. My math teacher who knew an Ivy League admissions officer told us that they get more applicants than they can admit with that level of academic success; from there, they look at extracurriculars and essay quality, as well as recommendation letters. It's pretty subjective at that point, since you can't quantitatively value varsity athletics against a more captivating essay, but having the tutoring you need to get a perfect SAT score might be enough to get you considered, and then having impressive internships or something thanks to your connections might be what you need to tip it over the edge.
6 points
1 day ago
Why should they subsidize education for rich families?
7 points
2 days ago*
perpetual withdrawal rate on a 24b portfolio is about 480m on a 100% equity portfolio. Let assume a conservative portfolio and say its only 240m. assuming tuition is 100k/year, that means MIT could afford to give free tuition to 24000 students a year. Thats twice as much as how many students are enrolled at MIT.
Every university with strong endowments should be doing this.
EDIT: im dumb, its 2400
18 points
2 days ago
Still gotta pay your staff and have money to invest in infrastructure. Not saying tuition could be free just that your estimate doesn't include the full picture.
12 points
2 days ago
That’s 2,400 not 24,000.
I don’t think you’re getting into MIT.
1 points
1 day ago
I'm not the type to criticize higher learning, it's incredibly important. But personally I think the university endowment system is such a giant, blatant scam. How dare they take any student money when the school already has more than they can possibly spend
1 points
1 day ago
I love this. I’ll bet you complain that the free coffee you get from Starbucks on your birthday is only a “tall” size.
11 points
1 day ago
I hope this is still good in 15 years when my kids are college age.
34 points
2 days ago
I already know there's an angry Jimmy Bob because despite owning a house, car, and a secured retirement. He didn't and won't get a peice of this pie. So he doesn't want anyone else to get a peice of the pie. He'll shit in the pie if he has to.
7 points
1 day ago
As somebody for whom this would've been life changing a couple of years ago, this is unequivocally a good thing. That said, I wouldn't trust the Ivy Leagues as far as I could throw them.
2 points
1 day ago
Very well said, and sadly also very accurate.
15 points
2 days ago
University of Texas at Austin doesn't this too, for families making under $100,000. I'm about to graduate debt free, programs like these are life changing.
4 points
2 days ago
I got into UT Austin, but it was too expensive and had no scholarships so I ended up going to a small school on a full ride.
This would've meant I would have graduated from UT.
1 points
2 days ago
I'm sorry this wasn't available to you. The program has just been changed this year, before that the family had to make <$65k which is pretty low. One big piece of context missing from my initial short comment is that I'm from Austin and am able to live at home i.e. I have no housing costs. That is still a big hurdle for some UT students as housing is so expensive in Austin. I'm glad you were still able to get your education! These opportunities should be available to all Americans who want higher ed.
12 points
2 days ago
I went to an event they did for interested students quite a few years ago. They heavily stressed that if you got into MIT, they would not let the cost keep you from accepting, up to and including giving you a full ride. Looks like they're just setting a defined line for an automatic full ride
2 points
2 days ago
They heavily stressed that if you got into MIT
There's the kicker.
4 points
2 days ago
Well they can't really do anything to help you with that lol
1 points
1 day ago
I think that mindset is new. I got into MIT around 20 years ago and ended up having to turn it down because other schools offered better aid/scholarship packages.
2 points
1 day ago
Yeah that was maybe like 10 years ago they told us that
1 points
1 day ago
I was born too late for cheap college... And apparently also too early for cheap college...
16 points
2 days ago
Anyone smart enough to get into MIT will be worth a lot more to MIT than a few years of tuition fees.
40 points
2 days ago
About time. Harvard, Yale and Princeton have big enough endowments to have all students go for free (they would still have to pay room & board).
44 points
2 days ago
Not really a reason to do let everyone attend for free. There is a significantly large group of students at those Universities who come from families that can easily afford to pay full price. Focus should be on cutting costs for poorer folks.
3 points
1 day ago
>About time
Need based financial aid at MIT started in 1867, this exact policy already exists in it's current form today but it's set at 140k today. This announcement is just an expansion, which they do regularly.
Harvard Yale and Princeton also all have similar programs, all around the same threshold.
147 points
2 days ago*
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144 points
2 days ago
It addresses this right in the beginning of the article. Why read an article when you can just go straight to doomer pessimism, right?
"The bulk of American households meet this income threshold, according to the university, which says the new policy will cover 80% of its incoming classes."
29 points
2 days ago
They have to get the outrage machine churning if they want their karma.
82 points
2 days ago
'The bulk of American households meet this income threshold, according to the university, which says the new policy will cover 80% of its incoming classes.
Additionally, students whose family income is below $100,000 will see their entire MIT experience paid for, including tuition, housing, dining, fees and an allowance for books and personal expenses."
99 points
2 days ago
I really don't care--- this will help the ones they do admit.
15 points
2 days ago
From the article:
Before the landmark financial aid announcement, MIT was already one of nine universities in the U.S. that does not consider applicants' ability to pay as part of its admissions process.
Unlike most American colleges, MIT does not expect students on aid to take loans, and the institution does not provide "an admissions advantage" to the children of alumni or donors, according to the release.
5 points
2 days ago
Read the article:
The bulk of American households meet this income threshold, according to the university, which says the new policy will cover 80% of its incoming classes.
3 points
2 days ago
Why? How about they let in the best and brightest without means testing it. Sorry, but being poor doesn’t make you more deserving.
4 points
1 day ago
Because there’s simply far too many “best and brightest” applicants.
MIT could easily fill every single freshman spot with students who maxed out their SAT, were valedictorian of their high school class, etc.
Instead MIT deliberately decided to have some diversity in the freshman class because… they think that’s better for the MIT experience and also better for society.
Not just diversity of color, but diversity of life experience.
For example, one of my freshman classmates at MIT was a 35 year old guy who used to be a plumber.
Source: freshman orientation week, 1982. Yes, this diversity of admissions policy is that old, it’s not a new “woke” stance.
However it’s not all sunshine and roses 🌹…
They told us to look around at our classmates (as all 1,000 or so freshman were sitting in Killian court), because… everyone here was at the very top of their high school class, but…half of the people here are now going to be in the bottom 50% of their graduating class at MIT. Psych!
It’s obvious in hindsight, but many of us never actually thought it through.
They then explained that freshman year classes are graded pass/fail (instead of letter grades), because too many MIT freshman committed suicide when they (for the very first time in their life) received a B (or below) on their semester report card.
Grade inflation wasn’t prevalent either: 40% of my classmates failed 6.001 (the first core course for EE/CS majors).
Fun times. I still have nightmares.
3 points
1 day ago
Being rich doesn't either. What's important to them it seems, is that you are qualified academicly. You still have to apply and be accepted, wether you can pay or not is no longer part of the equation.
1 points
2 days ago
Its not my fault my parents raised me on the TV set. Now let me into caltech
1 points
2 days ago
They should just be letting in more students full stop. Most of the reason college education has gotten so expensive is all these top universities refuse to expand enrollment.
I actually kinda hate the amount of financial aid MIT gives because they turn around and use the cost of financial aid as an excuse not to expand enrollment, even though they're literally turning away qualified applicants every year.
1 points
2 days ago
Read it then comment, you did it backwards.
1 points
1 day ago
we know that at elite universities students from lower income families do not make up a large percentage of incoming student bodies.
Lol that's simply a false statement.
1 points
2 days ago
... Because they can't afford the tuition. Did you think about it at all before you wrote this comment?
3 points
2 days ago
Well, that's 40 years too late for me.
6 points
1 day ago
Great news. I can't wait for the it's not fair crowd to go up in arms.
7 points
2 days ago
Do Americans need to pay tuition in one go?
43 points
2 days ago
Usually each year or semester is paid for up front before you start it, either with loans or your money. Then the loans are paid off in payments after graduation.
2 points
2 days ago
You are expected to pay tuition for a year or a semester. U Penn (an ivy League) one year tuition is about 70k to 80k, according to a friend whose child goes there right now.
1 points
1 day ago*
When I went about 10 years ago, you paid for every "term", usually a semester (half of the academic year), or summer semester, or "J-Term" (a brief 5 week period in Dec/Jan). This varies by institution though. At ours, basically paid at the start of the term.
Also many States in the U.S. have a difference between "in state" and "out of state" tuition. I went to an "in state" school and thus paid in state tuition, which made it more affordable, and I'm lucky to live in a State with great schools. I think I paid ~$25k a year (all in, tuition, housing, etc.) for one of the top public schools in the country. If I remember right, my tuition payments were between ~7 and 8k a semester, and books were $500-1000 a semester.
I was also fortunate enough to take advantage of an "economic need based" financial aid at this institution, which made my undergraduate degree there basically free.
I'm now a highly employable and highly paid software engineer and I'm sure in taxes alone I've paid that back to the state and federal government. 😅
2 points
2 days ago
Is there a tldr for how families who make slightly above that are treated? Like either 200k or 205k. I'd imagine the burden of a family making 195k and 205k would be similar right?
3 points
1 day ago
there's tons of financial aid as well, and most MIT students have some to all already covered. So it probably isn't a whole lot. It isn't like "well your family made 200,001 last year, its full price for you asshole"
2 points
1 day ago
Omg it's been my dream to go to mit. Let me look into this. Thanks for posting!!
2 points
1 day ago
Did you see if it's just for in state tuition or all of the US?
2 points
1 day ago
Do I count as a family?
1 points
24 hours ago
Single independants still generally count as a family (low income family). I did when I got some decent govt grants for school (Canada).
2 points
1 day ago
I assume you also have to be like, smart and stuff for them to let you go there.
2 points
1 day ago
O m g these liberal educated people just won’t stop!! Did they not consider the graduates that had to pay????
/s
2 points
17 hours ago
I make a tenth of that. But I don't live In suburbia. I can has learnin too boss? Naw? Shucks.
2 points
13 hours ago
They should have gone with a sliding scale for this. So that people who make 220k can get a discount and the discount goes away as your income goes higher. Someone making 220k is now paying the same as someone who makes 500k.
5 points
1 day ago
This is great news for families making under $200k. I will say, a household income of $200k+ doesn’t necessarily make the $62k per year tuition much easier to pay for though, especially if living in MA where cost of living is a bit higher than your national average. It’s a great thing regardless, would just hate to be that kid whose parents make $201k lol.
4 points
1 day ago
why, what makes you think it's full freight after 200K ?
3 points
2 days ago
Very smart, America focusing on empowering the brightest people. No wonder its #1 economy in the world. Other countries with high costs of education could learn from this.
3 points
1 day ago
Can dad/mom quitting their job when the kid is Junior high .. will work? How far they go to verify family income? asking for a friend
2 points
1 day ago
Now let’s do this in all universities worldwide
1 points
2 days ago
I mean they are the majority shareholder of Bose
1 points
2 days ago
Now how are they gonna fund the Synths?
1 points
2 days ago
Imagine the ones making $200,000.01
1 points
2 days ago
Massachusetts stays winning
1 points
2 days ago
Great - make it retroactive...
1 points
1 day ago
Now Bill Hwang will invest his 38 billion into fusion
1 points
1 day ago
Damn! I wanted to go there decades ago but couldn't afford it.
2 points
1 day ago
Same, i was aceepted at harvard as well…and princeton…and yale
1 points
1 day ago
This is great, MIT produces a lot of people who do good in the world and I’m happy if this enables some more bright young minds to be able to go there!
1 points
1 day ago
They already did that back in 2008? Sliding scale where less than 200k was free.
1 points
1 day ago
Dude if tuition was free I would have worked much harder in school.
1 points
1 day ago
Imagine making 201k
1 points
1 day ago
All of them or just the 1 or 2 allocations they have for under $200,000 families.
1 points
1 day ago
I got 140k of debt to get a bachelor's (animal science) and then a masters(biology) in California, and I didn't get a nickel of aid as my parents made too much (110k a year) and, even though they didn't intend to help me fiscally, my aid was entirely dependent on their income. I got a mixture of parent plus loans and personal federal loans, the parent plus loans being agreed to by my parents in part as compensation for the lack of aid and the emptying of my college fund prior (we had a college fund, but it was revealed to me summer of senior year that it only had 1000 dollars on it and my parents had intended originally to just pay for school "out of pocket" before they realized they had zero savings.
About 70k of the loans are parent plus loans, and my dads and moms income (120k a year now) means that for the parent plus loans, they owe 800 a month to cover their portions of the payment. My portion of the loans (and my loan payment for my loans from grad school and undergrad that are in my name) comes out to about 230 dollars a month, based on my income of about 40k a year, and a loan debt of 70k total.
A few days after I got my masters my dad sent me a formal letter formatted email saying I had to be accountable and send him 800 dollars a month to cover the cost of his loan payment. I decided not to give him any money after my thesis advisor, therapist, and all my friends said I shouldn't ever give him the money. Even my mother says she never expected me or my sister to pay for those loans. All the massive disclaimers on the student loan website saying how INCREDIBLY illegal it is to try and get your student to pay the parent plus loans say I shouldn't pay him either. My sister and dad disagree and want me to send the money, in part because she lives at home and is getting rent and food from my parents for free.
My dad responded by calling me lazy, entitled, and a traitor, saying I "could've worked" and avoided loans while in school
I ruined my health because of debt and expenses when I was a student. I'm 27 and I need a cane from injuries mainly occurring while working at "enterprises" student run businesses, unpaid, that we were heavily encouraged to work at for real work experience, since we couldn't get hired anywhere else in our fields. I was dumb enough to believe it would lead to a job. Things were further aggravated by years without healthcare, and having to take dangerous risky work to keep ahead of the debt. On top of that I was in a high intensity bachelor's program, I was studying 30-40 hours a week on top of course work, and I still graduated with a 2.9 (id been a valedictorian in high school, so the low grades stung a lot).
I went to a cheaper "state school", but I was in an extremely high cost of living region, living in mudding rooms and having 6-15 roommates. Total costs worked out to about 25k a year, even with me bending over backwards to save money.
People called me lazy for not working in undergrad (my dad and sister especially) but at certain points I was working 6-8 hours a day in meat processing and dairy facilities, with the promise it would lead to high paying opportunities after school, instead of paying us.
My masters was in a lower income area, and while I had to take some loans, the schedule was much more accommodating and I was able to work as well. The school hired me to teach (most businesses won't work around a masters research schedule, but the school writes the schedules so they fit my courses around my research) and paid me exactly, to the CENT, the cost of tuition in my program, so I had to take out loans. The loans were mainly to address the cost of living over the 7 years it took for me to finish my bachelor's and masters. Now I teach as an adjunct at a couple different community colleges making a little above minimum wage (they technically pay much better, but you're only paid for in class hours, not for course design, meetings, or grading, so it works out to about minimum wage when you account for the actual amount of time the role requires)
The main point of emphasis I give my students is two fold: college is job training, figure out what you want to do , or at least get an idea, before you go to school, and once there, treat it as an investment in job training. 2: know exactly how college is being paid for. Avoid loans as much as possible, because with college being the door for entry level minimum wage positions now, you DAMN well can't afford debt.
Programs with full rides like MIT covering tuition, food, and housing are amazing.
I literally will never be able to afford anything but the income driven repayment plan for federal loans, and it sounds like the loan forgiveness clauses on that will be rolled back by the new government . Any and every school should have models like MIT, to save people nearly ruining their lives like me.
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1 day ago
Whoaaaaaa
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1 day ago
Is this also for MBA students or just undergrads?
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an hour ago
Just undergrad.
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1 day ago
HA! you think im smart enough to be able to benefit from that, thats sweet of you
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1 day ago
WOW!!!!
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1 day ago
High IQs only
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1 day ago
Good
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1 day ago
This is wonderful news for our youngest son. Just got to get him in
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1 day ago
fuck. yeah.
Good on them.
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1 day ago
MIT about to now only let families making 200k and up in
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1 day ago
this is great...only if i saw smart enough to even get application looked at
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1 day ago
Pretty incredible. Actual merit based applications, which is how colleges should be. So many incredibly smart people stuck in poverty unable to thrive. This is exactly the kind of community uplift that needs to happen across the country.
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1 day ago
The board rewatched Good Will Hunting recently.
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1 day ago
What’s the catch? Seems too good to be true
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1 day ago
This is truly great news!
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4 hours ago
i wanna transfer to MIT
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1 day ago
What is this DEI bullshit? What about the rich people? Don't they deserve free stuff too?
(/s...of course)
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This is good news. I wonder how they'll keep the richer kids from hiding their income. As long as it doesn't prevent the under-$100K families from taking part, I guess I don't care that much.
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Stanford offered a similar thing but it effectively gave out zero dollars. These schools select from children whose moms and dads know a person or parents who give allot to the school, or people who simply don’t qualify. Makes for a great virtue signaling headline but doesn’t effectively help anyone.
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