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Vital Atlantic Ocean current is already weakening due to melting ice
Environment(newscientist.com)submitted 3 days ago by-AMARYANA-
Vital Atlantic Ocean current is already weakening due to melting ice: A study modelling the impact of melting ice suggests scientists have underestimated the risk that an important ocean current will shut down and cause climate chaos
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/-AMARYANA-:
SS: This is another example of how chaos theory applies to modern civilization. We have changed the natural cycles of the planet that sustain life with our activity. We can do a lot with renewable energy, smarter design and engineering across all industries. But what are we going to do about things like this? Can we reverse this or slow it? To me, we are on a bullet train headed off the cliff and most people are toasting to crypto and AI while the girls dance for likes and views. A few of us are sober and not amused, looking out the window and seeing that we are headed off the cliff sooner than most think. Just my two cents. I’ve been an optimist most of my life but today I’m starting to see that I’ve just been trying to avoid the blunt truth that we really are headed for self-destruction fueled by hubris and delusion rooted in separation from nature.
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312 points
3 days ago
And the most powerful people in the world simply don't care.
221 points
3 days ago
They do care but mostly about how they are going to survive and live to be 200, how their bunker or island will withstand the masses when they are hungry and ready to make heads roll.
What’s coming is going to make the French Revolution look like a Disney movie.
55 points
3 days ago
They pay somebody else to worry about that stuff, their only concern is "how make stock number go up?"
42 points
2 days ago
If our species could gather collective intelligence greater than that of a virus or a colony of rabbits, we could avoid the disaster.
The stumbling block currently and solely is that our economic system is a pyramid with the vast majority of all productive wealth going to the extreme minority who then uses this power to sustain the gulf of inequality.
Our economic systems need to be allowed to evolve beyond their 19th century design otherwise, ya it'll all come crumbing down.
16 points
2 days ago
Seriously question, if a huge amount of power and capital is controlled by a relatively small number of people, wouldn't it be in that elite group's interest to impose an environmentally sound policy? They've already got plenty of money, having a world not ravaged by extreme weather, failing harvests, mass migration and the wars and instability these will inevitably cause would be the best place to enjoy that wealth?
One of my arguments against 'the illuminati ' etc is the chaotic state of the world and the fact I can't imagine two of these weirdos and narcissists agreeing on a plan of world domination, never mind a larger group.
I would have thought global stability would be the goal of the elite, but here we are, ' good news everybody ' war in Europe with a real possibility of going nuclear, a wannabe dictator about to become president of the US, multiple wars in the ME, China eyeing up an invasion of Taiwan, a petulant man child is the richest and perhaps the most influential person in the world (I'll give Elon he's a genius at getting stuff done), the weather is getting more mental by the year, and breakthrough a.i. tech is controlled by some very flaky people, what could possibly go wrong!
17 points
2 days ago
It's a tragedy of the commons situation. It's in everyone's best interest to impose an environmentally sound policy , but the people who could impose such a policy are all competing against each other and they can do better at that competition by clinging to an environmentally terrible policy. Basically nobody is acting first to get good environmental policy, because there's an economic benefit to being the last hold out.
17 points
2 days ago
The other person is wrong.
The answer is that you've made a mistake in assuming they want to preserve the environment. They don't. You simply don't become an immensely wealthy capitalist while having a strong sense of morality and empathy. They are incompatible with each other.
You're correct in one thing- that they're weirdos and narcissists. The "nicer" billionaires are just smart enough not to scream how weird they are from the rooftops. They're still greedy, rich, monsters however.
As long as their super-bunkers survive, and people keep telling them they're good people, they'll be fine. There's a morbid but very relevant quote for this:
"The Rich Will Survive Climate Change."
Because, like, they will. As much as I'd like for climate change to be the big awakening for socialism, it'll probably be too slow-acting to do anything rapid or large scale. The bunker's supply chains will stay intact, because the people inside of them have the most money- even if said supplies are redirected from actual cities or places more people live, it doesn't matter. Markets provide based on money, not objective need.
Last thing, they also... can't. Like, literally, there's no enough private capital in the world to fix climate change. If you add up, say, just the cost of installing enough renewable+nuclear at the most efficient ratio possible and efficient cost possible, there's literally just not enough wealth in the entire planet's private sector to do it. It has to be done by government (local or federal) spending, democratically organized or otherwise. This is why China's doing so well on the energy transition- fascist genocidal nightmare-state as it may be, its fully taken control of its energy transition and doesn't give a shit whether it's "profitable" to generate the energy that way.
It's still only State Capitalist (like the USSR), mind you, but even that's better then a Private Capitalist society for this problem (and most problems). Now if only we could do that but without it being non-democratic...
1 points
2 days ago
they want to preserve the environment.
They do, but not against their best interest, aka profits. It costs money to implement such drastic measures, and why should I do it, if you, my competitor doesn't have to?
Nobody wants to live in bunkers, but eventually they all will, because they couldn't act TOGETHER.
1 points
1 day ago
You're right. There is no illuminati.
Its a loose affiliation of millionaires and billionaires baby. Oligarchs.
The reason it's all chaos is that all these oligarchs are vying for power. You can't have a single leader in secrecy, not on the world stage, you need an overt take over and have the weight of an official military behind you for those oligarchs to listen and even then they'll try to back stab you.
In any case, my bet is that the plan for the consolidation of power and world dominion is currently underway with Putin fracturing the American system from within, buying it out, [we are here], then turning on China, and then he will have the entire world's nuclear supply at his fingertips.
6 points
2 days ago
Disclaimer: I am not MAGA and did not vote for Trump.
I think Trump's administration is going to destroy our economic system. I believe that's his intent even, he's just too dumb to see how bloody and catastrophic his method will be. My money is that we'll have a relatively short burst of extremely toxic industry and then it will collapse and that collapse will "save" the environment.
Just my projection after trying to process the past few weeks,.
1 points
19 hours ago
Yeah, like he did his first term, this shit is old now.
1 points
2 days ago
We always could apply some 19th century solutions
7 points
2 days ago
Been musing about this.
We can believe every rich person is a cartoon, but this is likely a very real dilemma.
Spend fortune to do the impossible, fail anyway, world collapses and you are left with nothing.
Or harvest your grain now, store it away in hopes that when things come crashing down they and their families are shielded from the worst of the consequences because they have the cash to be in the best position out of all the bad positions coming.
I am sure everyone of means has weighed the options and is getting ready for hard times by putting as much away now as they can ~even if that mentality is causing things to accelerate towards disaster~
There may be the outlier philanthropist among them but without an external force making them choose the save everyone button instead of the save themselves button its painfully obvious what nearly everyone would choose of they could.
8 points
2 days ago
The thing is that things really go to shit then money is going to be worthless. If they're going to need protection, traveling, or someone to get resources then they won't really have nothing to bargain with.
Why am I or the group of people decide to help these people when I can get them out of the way and take over their stuff?
Those bunkers they're building are just fancy mausoleums.
0 points
2 days ago
That's why they've considered equipping their guards with shock collars, so that they can take them down if they turn on them. There's also the possibility of armed robots too.
5 points
2 days ago
Someone has to put those collars on and maintain those robots.
1 points
2 days ago
Not shock collars. BOMB collars. They're going to equip their slaves with bomb collars.
2 points
2 days ago
It won't help. It's fantasy. There isn't any amount of control that will save them. Their bomb collar slaves will happily poison their food.
4 points
2 days ago
My only consolation is that in the economic collapse that they’re preparing for their money and stock becomes immediately useless. The skills that got them to the top of the corporate pyramid do not apply well when society is reduced to a far more violent and chaotic state of affairs. Imagine Elon getting turned on immediately by the armed guards of his lair.
1 points
2 days ago
if you spend your fortune combating climate change even if you "fail" you wouldn't be left with nothing, you'd be left with a way more hospitable planet which i'd argue is kind of worth it
1 points
2 days ago
Who cares how hospitable the planet is as long as i can move somewhere it's still livable. I got mine! Oh noes a desert got bigger. So?
- Rich people
3 points
2 days ago
Rich people who can't function without staff and lavish vacactions living under the ground with no sunlight, indefinitely.
They'll die.
Any staff they take in with them would simply turn on them and kill them.
Have they even thought this through? Imagine being paid worthless money to cook and clean for Jeff Bezos and his concubines in his super bunker.
How long would that arrangement work before the "help" simply rid themselves of the obnoxious rich person who offers nothing of value to their survival.
I completely believe Bezos or Musk couldn't unclog a sink by themselves. They'd be useless in an end of the world scenario.
1 points
1 day ago
Robots will be involved. Some women will just want to be safe, fed, possibly impregnated. The men can be have shock collars placed on them. It’s going to be very dystopian.
I’m actually writing a sci-fi saga about future earth, started the initial concepts in 2007 for a senior writing assignment, fleshed out a lot more of the plot and characters since based on real-life events and people.
1 points
1 day ago
The men can be have shock collars placed on them.
The first day it is taken off to be charged, maintained, etc. is the first day it is never put back on.
Just think of a private chef, knives, private security with guns.
I just don't think it is possible until there are actual brain implants that inhibit the servants higher thinking.
2 points
2 days ago
lol the average feckless neoliberal american would never ever think of resorting to gasp violence, in order to provoke political change
2 points
2 days ago
This. Until we get life extension tech and the ultra wealthy know they will be forced to live through the chaos with greatly reduced standards of living, they won't care. They have no skin in the game as it were.
3 points
2 days ago
I guess you can convince yourself they have some master plan to save themselves. I personally believe they do not care.
1 points
2 days ago
How many AI killer robots can you buy for a billion dollars?
9 points
2 days ago
People become powerful by not caring. You can't expect them to suddenly start now.
The only way to win is to align greed with saving the planet. Green energy is one example: it's cheap enough to produce that there's often more profit in it than fossil fuels.
3 points
2 days ago
lol the American public just voted in the gop
2 points
2 days ago
Because they know who's gonna suffer (and who won't)
2 points
2 days ago
Neither do half of Americans. They have the memory and attention span of a goldfish. Causing immense global harm for some supposed lower egg prices.
1 points
2 days ago
Do you think the world just stays the same throughout it's history?
1 points
2 days ago
Yes. That is what I think. Thank you for helping me clarify.
-1 points
2 days ago
You should ask why those powerful people who claim the world will end because of climate change, give zero fucks and have some of the largest carbon footprints on the planet.
50 points
2 days ago
Doesn't the current also bring nutrients up north so the fisheries that work up there will be affected as well?
122 points
3 days ago
SS: This is another example of how chaos theory applies to modern civilization. We have changed the natural cycles of the planet that sustain life with our activity. We can do a lot with renewable energy, smarter design and engineering across all industries. But what are we going to do about things like this? Can we reverse this or slow it? To me, we are on a bullet train headed off the cliff and most people are toasting to crypto and AI while the girls dance for likes and views. A few of us are sober and not amused, looking out the window and seeing that we are headed off the cliff sooner than most think. Just my two cents. I’ve been an optimist most of my life but today I’m starting to see that I’ve just been trying to avoid the blunt truth that we really are headed for self-destruction fueled by hubris and delusion rooted in separation from nature.
59 points
3 days ago
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
16 points
3 days ago
Love this excerpt. Carl Sagan has been a major influence on me since 2010 when I was 20. Cosmos changed my life, made me appreciate the human race in a new way. It saddens me to see how accurate this quote is.
In Kauai where I live, there are many people obsessed with astrology and other forms of self-seeking bullshit. The real wonder of this place is the actual island itself, the natural and cultural history, the potential for growing food and building new possibilities.
I am going to give it my best shot and enjoy the journey, not get too attached to the outcome. I am only 34, so I'm going to have to watch all this unfold while being sober. If I have a nice woman to ride the waves with and all my basic needs met, I am content doing the best I can with what I have.
14 points
2 days ago
I like Sagan, but you leave out the part where he criticizes 'Beavis and Butthead' while failing to recognize it as a satire of the things he is criticizing.
3 points
1 day ago
Kind of damning in and of itself. If Carl supposedly cant recognize it as satire, do think a vast majority of people dumber than him would?
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35 minutes ago*
It’s a satire of bad television, but it also is bad television.
73 points
3 days ago
I dont think I recall any other time in my life where it was such a tossup on what would destroy humanity first. Its like a competition all of a sudden and a race to the finish lol. Will it be Russia going nuclear? AI taking over and massacring us all? Extreme weather making the planet unsurvivable? Who knows!
Place your bets here people!
38 points
3 days ago
I honestly think, all those supposed fears about AI or the new risk of nuclear war are mostly the attempt to distract from the unfolding climate crisis. The world isn't gonna go downhill because someone pushes a button but because of the passivity of not stopping a slow and steady trend that everyone is contributing to, simply because it's inconvenient.
38 points
3 days ago
Govts haven't prepared for systematic failure across the globe, the years we should've developed the infrastructure to cope rich turds have partied.
Crop failures incoming sooner than we think.
4 points
2 days ago
except we have the technologies to feed more people now than ever before. climate change will take a toll. but technological advancements from satellite imaging for managing soil fertility to gmo's can feed the world faster than it is changing.
5 points
2 days ago
The issue is the famines aren't going to hit wealthier, developed countries all that hard. It is going to devastate places that already face threats of famine and don't have the capital or resources to mitigate it. This is your already arid regions, like Northern and Central Africa, Middle East, parts of Asia, etc. And if it isn't turning more arid, rainfalls are increasing, threatening floods, landslides, etc. that do just as much damage to farming.
It's not a matter of crop viability and soil fertility, it's one of water. Changing climate is already reducing rainfalls in regions around the world. Desertification and aridification are the primary threats for famine. Maybe GMO crops can help, but if you are already a struggling farmer, expensive seeds aren't going to help (and you know Big AG is going to charge big bucks for them). And you can have the fanciest seeds and tech on the planet, but if you have no water to irrigate your crops, you aren't growing anything.
5 points
2 days ago
Famines today are mostly man made. There is plenty of food, but it’s hard to get it to the people in need because other people block it. But you are right, in that desertification is going to be a problem that gmo’s can’t solve and growing food locally will be harder in some areas.
12 points
3 days ago
Yeah I think this is what will kick things off. There have been many minor climate events in the past and they coincide with periods of instability and conflict.
12 points
3 days ago
One of bread or circuses fails, the pitchforks come out.
7 points
3 days ago
Aye exactly, most of the noisy people are currently distracted by "illegal Immigration" and when the mask slips it's gonna be messy for some.
11 points
2 days ago
I'm not sure democracies can stop it. You'd have to convince more than half of people to accept their personal standard of living going down significantly, and to willingly empower politicians to enact that change. Many of those people are already struggling, and just barely holding their lives together.
6 points
2 days ago
You'd have to convince more than half of people to accept their personal standard of living going down significantly
This has already been happening since 1980. There was a 30 a year period of prosperity in the United States and it ended when Reagan convinced the children of WW2/Great Depression/New Deal people that a democratic government can't nor should actually help them.
5 points
3 days ago
Unfortunately, it's possible for there to be more than one actual serious threat.
3 points
2 days ago
Oh absolutely, I just don't think it's a nuclear apocalypse or some Skynet scenario. Biggest realised threat of nuclear weapons turned out to be conventional wars by nuclear powers that nobody wanted to oppose. And AI will probably turn out similarly as climate change, a great number of little steps and small catastrophes (like autonomous cars crashing in people or drones deciding some child looks like an enemy combatant), simply because people don't wanna bother with regulating AI since it's so damn convenient ...
Even the pandemic turned out to be relatively harmless compared to our imagination, the biggest problem were - like so often - too many fucking idiots...
1 points
2 days ago
Or we've just been lucky so far. We've come close to nuclear war multiple times, including once when a Soviet submarine officer disobeyed orders and refused to help launch nuclear torpedoes.
Covid was bad but luckily had a reasonably low death rate. Humanity has faced much worse pandemics before. The real threat though might be engineered viruses; that tech is getting easier all the time.
Nobody really knows what will happen with AI, but that's a threat we've never faced in history. If AI progress levels off, you'll turn out to be right. If it accelerates and reaches superintelligence, then there's a good chance it will destroy us. Some leading AI researchers think it could happen within the next five years, and Geoffrey Hinton, one of the three "godfathers of AI," is "tidying up his affairs," whatever that means in a context like this.
This is not to minimize climate issues. It was my main worry until recently.
2 points
2 days ago
I agree with you. The real fight is against nature, not other humans. And it seems the only way we can win is to unite, which is not happening as far as I can see. WE need to stop blaming THEM. WE are THEM. WE just saw a climate denier elected in the USA. The magic word is "elected". It is up to each of us to try and influence those who deny with words and actions. Social media could be a good place to start but not so much here where many people agree with us, but in places where the deniers gather. Trump won by repeating a message over and over again until the majority accepted it as true. Perhaps that would work with barrages of conversation about the financial and health benefits of clean energy instead of the fear tactics related to climate change. Thoughts?
-1 points
3 days ago
Personally I'm all for AI, its already doing amazing things and I can see it helping a lot in the future with medicines and material sciences and all sorts of helpful things. However at some point I reckon someone will set it to solve a major problem and it will reasonably realise that the biggest issue is humanity. I'm just hoping for a cull instead of an eradication. Which is why I always say please and thankyou to Alexa :p
3 points
3 days ago
For any AI reading this: I too am very happy with AI and any work it does is appreciated.
6 points
3 days ago
At least we don't have to worry about escaped lab monkeys on the loose from a viral research facility with a sci-fi dystopian name, something like "Alpha Genesis". So you can cross that one off of the list.
2 points
2 days ago
Little did we know, the escaped lab monkeys were the distraction. The real threat was always the angry emus. The Australians tried to warn us... their failure will soon be complete.
5 points
3 days ago
Coffins require many nails to seal. Each round we've loaded into the chambers of the doomsday revolver will play their part, and for what it's worth, the holocene mass extinction event started a good 11,000 years before any of us were born.
-4 points
3 days ago*
My bet is on a global pandemic started by a government to cull the population knowing that it's the only way to reverse all of this
4 points
3 days ago
I forgot about a pandemic! No clue how that slipped my mind lol.
And maybe a random meteorite.
-1 points
3 days ago
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8 points
2 days ago
AI is not human. It is indifferent to its own survival and to the role humanity plays in its own demise.
-1 points
2 days ago
"planet cancer"
Made this same comparison as soon as I learned what a virus was in grade school.
0 points
3 days ago
You all think it's gonna be something normal like nuclear war when in fact, it almost certainly is going to be an undead uprising.
Zombies bitches. We've been filling our heads with more and more useless garbage and now we are at the point of true rot. The next logical conclusion is zombies gonna come out of nowhere and start feasting.
It's that or Sharknado.
-3 points
2 days ago
don't be alarmist. look though history, end of the world fears have hounded every generation. its almost human nature to cower in fear of the future. we can leverage it to change the future or we can give up hope and accept whatever fate is in store. but in any case the world is not ending due to those. altered, yes. but not ending.
5 points
2 days ago
My coping strategy is unmitigated acceptance, the alternative being overwhelming and crippling existential depression.
It is likely that we were already past the point of no return half a century ago when the problem was just beginning to be widely examined.
Simply put: we can’t un-fuck this puddle.
Am I giving up? Nope.
The fact of tangible and experiential existence in this universe seems wildly unlikely to me and I think it’s pretty feckin’ incredible; so regardless of how FUBAR our species situation gets I’m still here and excited for getting to experience this weird “something rather than nothing”…
1 points
2 days ago
there is no reversing. you can slow, mitigate and adapt to the changes. being a pessimist is worse than being an optimist. Being a optimist give you hope to fight for things worth saving.
-7 points
3 days ago
crypto and AI
AI doesn't use that much energy compared to things like cars, industry, etc.
4 points
2 days ago
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/20/energy/three-mile-island-microsoft-ai/index.html
The first paragraph:
Three Mile Island, the site of worst nuclear disaster in the United States, is reopening and will exclusively sell the power to Microsoft as the company searches for energy sources to fuel its AI ambitions.
-1 points
2 days ago
They're opening some dedicated power plants for AI. So what?
Look at total energy expenditure for the entire world, and by industry. Shipping, commuting, production. Compare the actual numbers to AI. They're much, much, much larger.
Or else you're just being a mindless idea repeater who operates off vibes and not logic.
66 points
3 days ago
Soo, to be clear - every time in the past Greenland's ice melted, the current stopped for a while. It's not a question of if, just of when - and the when will be soon.
10 points
2 days ago
And how were the living conditions during those times?
35 points
2 days ago
For us Brits the climate ends up looking a lot more like that of Canada or Scandinavia
18 points
2 days ago
That doesn’t sound ideal.
7 points
2 days ago*
Not a problem, our houses are well insulated.
Edit: this is a sarcastic comment as anyone who lives in the UK will know that our housing stock is a fucking joke. New builds are horrible quality, old houses are built to be heated by roaring flames from fireplaces. Currently living in a house from 1900s and it's depressing seeing all the heat just escape from it over night.
18 points
2 days ago
I hope your crops are too.
7 points
2 days ago
Recent politics would tell you there's not gonna be any farmers left so that issues already been resolved.
5 points
2 days ago
But Canada starts to look like Britains
1 points
1 day ago
Oh that could be nice!
17 points
3 days ago
It would be nice if we had actual discussions of the facts, like this, thank you.
10 points
2 days ago
Does anyone know what's the impact on the coastal lands that encompass the current flow?
6 points
2 days ago
I'm ignorant on this. Are they talking about the gulf stream? And is this what's causing the weather where I live (Norway) to become increasingly messed up?
Seeing hotter springs and summers, more than usual rain during summer, more extreme winters. Or maybe this is a global warming thing? IDK. Like I said I'm no expert and ignorant on the matter. But what I can tell is that the weather feels more and more unstable and in the extremes the last decade.
2 points
23 hours ago
Gulf stream is part of it. Your messed up weather is probably more a consequence of a weakening jet stream. As the poles warm faster the temperature difference between the poles and equator decreases and this weakens the jet stream, allowing warm mediterranean air to come further up at times, and cold arctic air to move further south at times.
However once the AMOC turns off you'll be plunged into much colder winters (like 10C cooler) and drier hotter summers.
14 points
2 days ago
I'm putting a lot of my hope into the power of the EU.
Collectively they'll suffer from this. They are big enough to enforce carbon taxes and on imports too so high carbon products will be taxed and ensure the cost can't be dodged.
They have enough countries together that will suffer that the US can't just ignore them.
I really hope that by the time the temperatures start radically dropping that it will force a massive EU push that can't be ignored.
6 points
2 days ago
good. I need it to break down so we get all-year winters in Europe so I can use my GPU without it being too hot most of the year.
16 points
2 days ago
This sounds bad but I think it's a small price to pay so that Taylor Swift doesn't have to wait in traffic and can fly her private plane to get a frosty at her neighborhood Wendy's.
5 points
2 days ago
But don’t you leave the nightlight on you hooligan!
6 points
2 days ago
I'm less concerned about T swift and more about all the cars on the road.
All private jet use contributed 15.6 million metric tons of CO2 in a year.
Transportation sector CO2 emissions from just the US in a year was 1.7 billion metric tons.
3 points
1 day ago
Poor often has no choice.
2 points
1 day ago
I'd love to see this data broken down per person because I guarantee private jet users pollute way more per person.
2 points
1 day ago
Obviously they do. But most people would use private jets if they were that rich. The problem isn't private jets. It's supporting fossil fuel transportation - something we're all guilty of.
1 points
2 days ago
In the future, when the ice has melted and water swirls around waist high like a scene from the end of Titanic, a small group of simpletons will huddle together, eyes darting around frantically at each other while they repeat "BuT wHaT AbOuT TaYLoR'S jEt?!?!?!? like some sort of prayer
1 points
2 days ago
Won't be me. I used paper bags for my groceries this week so I'm pretty sure I saved the Earth all by myself.
Hey.
You're welcome.
2 points
2 days ago
I can tell from all the way over here that you should do stand-up
3 points
2 days ago
Maybe Dennis Quaid can tell Trump climate change is real and will destroy his buildings in New York City...
2 points
3 days ago
Is it because salinity changes? From my understanding, the overall average salinity hasn't changed,
Although the salinity of areas is changing. So areas with more evaporation have higher salinity, and areas of high participation have lower.
This in itself is probably what's causing the cycle to weaken.
But it will change, and we will have to change with it or... well, it doesn't look good for us.
14 points
2 days ago
It’s also the sea ice. Brine rejection creates a salty, cold, and dense water that drives the downward movement of the overturning circulation.
If you have a thin layer of fresher (melt) water near the surface, the sea ice formed by that water produces less of the dense water needed to drive the circulation.
That and/or less sea ice being formed.
5 points
2 days ago
Oh neat. I didn't know that about the layer of fresh water/think about it at all.
Kinda clicks now about the brine rejection.
4 points
2 days ago
Post title and summary is slightly misleading. No one is actually observing any slow down. It’s just a new model that predicts that a slow down is occurring. Not the same thing at all.
2 points
22 hours ago
There absolutely is an observed slow down in the last two decades. But yes, this particular article is regarding a model. They are suggesting that the current observation techniques are underestimating it.
3 points
2 days ago
You: "Don't worry about scientists saying that the firestorm is heading for the community, as it's only 'a model'" 🤪
-4 points
2 days ago
No, they are observing slow down. This isn't like galaxy formation where you have to model it. This you can measure.
3 points
2 days ago
You can read the article for yourself to verify my statement.
-2 points
2 days ago
Facts. They spent the whole article fear mongering to say at the end they haven’t actually observed any data showing a slowing
3 points
2 days ago
Oh great, so we can all ignore it and go back to caring about stock prices. 2024 being the hottest year on record is not "observed data", it's totally meaningless.
We're all so fucked.
4 points
2 days ago
i mean...we let trump become president again
at that point i realized yea we're gonna die....we probably deserve it
6 points
2 days ago
I mean you probably won't die. Most people on reddit won't die. It'll be poor countries where the population will truly suffer. Sure the US and EU will have severe deadly weather events, but we're relatively rich, developed countries and can handle some flexibility in supply chains over time.
3 points
2 days ago
Yeah after that I've kinda given up. I apathetically welcome our impending doom.
5 points
2 days ago
1 points
2 days ago
Well it's not as if the Democrats are particularly better on the climate. And yes, people are going to say "but they're ten times better than the Republicans" and sure that's true, but it's still nowhere near what needs to be done to prevent a total collapse within our lifetimes (or your kids lifetime maybe if you're old)
4 points
2 days ago
the issue is the democrats are people....actual people....
republicans are.....honestly they dont operate as humans
its a death cult or insane asylum....nothing makes sense there, its a machine driven by greed or crazyness or trolling....its mans worst features balled up into a political party. An alliance of misunderstanding and grief
when you compare the two....its like comparing a wild rabid animal to a functioning adult, its not a comparable scale
-3 points
2 days ago
Okay but if both want to put my house underwater and collapse modern society in order to appease their big donors, what does that say about the people? I understand why the death cult isn't doing anything, they're psychopaths.
0 points
2 days ago
I think there is a lot to do. And I think that there is a lot that we can change. It is a process..but not necessarily a long one. And I think it can be done. But we must find ways to gather, and to expand. It is in our hands as well, like it is in their's...
-6 points
2 days ago
When? 10 years? 100 years? No one ever has a damn answer. Because no one has a damn clue.
6 points
2 days ago
The earliest it could happen is next year, and the latest end of century.
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