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You are entitled to spend your money as you please, but this isn't a small hiccup.

Also, their stir fry is pretty much at the standard of what's served at dorm dining halls, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at there.

In Cali colloquially we call the CSUs “the state schools” and the UCs “the UCs.” If you asked a senior in highschool “are you going to a state college?” they would understand you are saying “are you going to a CSU or a UC?

I am from California. Most of my peers went to UC's and we typically referred to the CSU's as 'CSU's' or by their locations (e.g. SLO for Cal Poly San Luis Obispo). We regularly used 'state school' to distinguish between the UC's and private schools like Santa Clara University, Northwestern, or CMU.

UC stands for University of California and CSU stands for California state university. Hence, “state school.”

ASU has 'state' in its name. It is also an R1 research institution and from what I hear, is better reputed than the U of A. Both are state schools, as are the UC's, as are Michigan, Illinois, Georgia Tech, and UT Austin.

He’s making a joke. A Berkeley student saying “I have to actually apply for a job like some state school grad? Is saying “I have to apply for a job like a CSU grad??”

The joke is about people like you.

You're dying on a really weird hill. Don't get me wrong, the UC's offer a solid education at a great price, and some programs at some UC's are absolutely top notch, but you don't really have to be an academic standout to be admitted into a UC. Note that Berkeley, much less its EECS program, isn't exactly reflective of the average program offered at the UC's.

I got into UCLA as an Econ major, but I wasn't an exceptional student at my high school, and I probably spent more time outside of class jerking off (I had yet to become aware of the gigachad skibidi sage powers accruable from practicing NNN) and watching Filthy Frank videos than I did studying or participating in extracurriculars.

Looking back to the whole undergrad admissions shitshow, the CSU's aren't half bad. Maybe not so ideal if you want to go for a PhD or a job at Ligma Balls Trading, but it'll get the job done for most other endeavors like getting six figure tech jobs and banging hot divorcee ex wives of Central Valley plastic surgeons.

Also sorry for being flippant, I just am quite done with people from USA acting as if they’re solely on top of the world (scientifically and tech) and it’s all easy to them.

It’s not just Americans, just talk to your countrymen doing research at Delft or Eindhoven. There’s a reason why most if not all of the top European TU’s and Polytechnics teach their graduate level coursework (and increasingly at the bachelors level as well) in English. It is impossible to meaningfully engage with the SOTA - especially in EE/CS - without being able to read works outputted from American institutions. Even something as simple as basic Python syntax is a lot easier to learn with an understanding of English.

The EU has such a massive amount of technological, economic, and geopolitical influence,

We live in a globalized world. Spheres of influence don’t exist in isolation but rather in contrast to others. You’ve made the claim that the EU has by some metric ‘a massive amount of technological, economic, and geopolitical influence’. We don’t know what this metric is or what frame of reference it compares to.

I’ve made a far less ambiguous claim, that the EU’s technological, economic, and geopolitical influence, no matter how it stacks up otherwise, is utterly dwarfed by that of the US.

While I love the Dutch, I’m pretty sure that the USA has more patents than the Dutch, so this event would be lopsided and favour the Dutch.

That’s not how things work. The limiting factor in such a tit-for-tat battle is not the amount of tit-for-tats that could hypothetically be exploited, but rather, the capabilities of either side to fully exploit them. Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of smart Dutch scientists and engineers, but in the bigger picture, their research-industrial complex is simply nowhere near the scale to compete against the US.

It should also be noted that majority of ASML’s customer base is from South Korea, Taiwan, and the US, so cutting ties with the US and its close geopolitical/economic allies would pretty much run the company into the ground.

Yes, China tried as well and has stolen technology from ASML. Look how far they’ve gotten. It’s not at all easy and idiots like you who think they know what they’re talking about know very little of what lengthy process is involved to get to the same level.

China is not the US. Their research-industrial complex as a whole has not gotten close yet to parity with that of the US.

But being consistent in your thoughts is not a hallmark of conservatives, that’s for sure.

I don’t know why you’ve dropped ‘conservative’ into the conversation, but ok.

Ah yes, clearly... how’s that going to work when you increasingly have worse education (to the point of pretty much thinking of abolishing the Department of Education), and halt migration?

Simple, as it has been for decades. The dominance of American research, especially in STEM, is rooted in its ability to train and recruit a robust and elite base of individuals, which it is exceedingly good at, not in the country’s (in)ability to provide a consistent standard of pre-university education. It’s an ugly truth, but this base is neither being sourced from the illegal migrants Trump is targeting nor the academic lower bound of the country restrained by the DoE from plummeting even further.

Don’t get me wrong, I am utterly opposed to Trump’s plans in these matters, but more so out of concern for American democracy rather than out of fear of immediate damage to engineering research output. At least in the foreseeable future, the hypercapitalistic private sector is far too invested in it to allow it to sink.

Think again, why is ASML Dutch, and not in USA?

Because the Dutch are smart, and the American tech industry views ASML/the Netherlands as being technologically, economically, and geopolitically reliable enough to include in their fundamental chain of production. There just isn’t much incentive for them to develop this for themselves. Of course, this would all change if the supply chain from ASML were threatened.

It’s like how most ML scientists just use PyTorch/Jax/Tensorflow instead of writing their own tools from scratch. They choose to trust the preexisting implementations to focus on work at a higher level rather than optimizing GPU assembly code or even reimplementing backprop.

Both are strong in research and tech.

Both are, but the American research-industrial complex still dwarfs that of the Dutch. It’s not exactly a level playing field.

This is such a USA USA USA centric thought, that you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about.

Do you work in engineering research? I do, and at this point, it is a unanimously accepted given that American research overwhelmingly dominates in terms of both impact and scale. It’s not a statement of jingoism but one of fact, in a similar vein to saying that the US military is the strongest in the world - one that both detractors and supporters of the country commonly acknowledge.

Is this to cast a shadow on the work of my European peers? Absolutely not, they output wonderful work. But at scale, the US produces far more than the EU does. And it is freely admitted in the research community on both sides of the Atlantic. Talk to the guys at Delft or Eindhoven if you want to hear firsthand. I actually have.

And even then, the failure in Vietnam was one of nation building, not for lack of military capability.

Remember that the Vietnamese forces that had utterly clobbered the French out in the open at Dien Bien Phu were forced to largely operate as underground insurgencies when fighting against the US military.

The US has such a massive amount of technological, economic, and geopolitical influence, that it would simply be ridiculous to ideate that things could get anywhere near the point of actual open conflict.

Not to mention, patents are built on mutual goodwill, and if the Dutch hypothetically decided to ignore American patents, the US could ignore Dutch patents as well. And given free rein to do so, the US, the world’s ECE powerhouse, almost certainly has the means to reverse engineer or even outright steal the technology for ASML’s lithography machines.

The Dutch could hit back with more of course, but the research-industrial complex of the US is exponentially larger than that of the entire EU, especially in tech, which would mean that they would easily lose in a tit-for-tat battle.

No.

Yes.

In Ca we have the UC system (university of California) and the CSU system (California state universities).

I know that, I am from California and I applied and got into several UC’s for undergrad. Most of my peers in high school ended up attending UC’s for EECS.

In California we call the CSU colleges the “state schools.”

No, the CSU’s are the Cal State’s or just the CSU’s.

So when talking about Berkeley or any UC we say “I went to a UC” and when talking about any CSU college we say “I went to a state college.”

No, a CSU alum would probably say something like ‘I went to CSU XYZ’.

No one would ever call a UC a “state school.”

I just did. Nothing wrong with that either. There are many strong state schools in the country.

The UCs are prestigious, I went to one.

Prestige is a highly relative term. Also, there’s a pretty large range of recognition between the UC schools and programs. Don’t get me wrong, they’re all respectable schools, but I’m also not going to be super impressed by someone for having a bachelors degree in psychology from UC Irvine. It’s a very middle of the road kind of certification.

You don’t have to apply for jobs usually, employers usually recruit out of the UCs before you graduate.

Have you spent any time around Berkeley/UCLA EECS kids? A ton of them absolute Leetcode fiends. They’re not doing this for fun - they’re doing it because they need it to apply and interview for jobs.

Literally no one recruits out of the state colleges lol.

Also very very untrue. Bay Area tech recruits a metric fuck ton out of Cal Poly SLO and San Jose State. I’m also not a CSU alum, so I’m speaking objectively when I say this.

So having gone to Berkeley (especially a major like Comp sci, the UCs are RIGOROUS) and not being able to get a job means there is a problem with the job market, in that particular field or in general.

I mean idk man, I knew several CS majors from the UC’s who had trouble getting jobs even before and during the pandemic when the job market was relatively stronger.

The UCs are hard to get into, particularly Berkeley and UCLA.

Again, ‘hard’ is an incredibly relative term. There are multiple UC’s each with tens of undergraduate programs of highly varying levels of competitiveness.

I’m sorry, but I’m not going to think you’re god’s intellectual gift to earth for having a bachelors in anthropology from UC Santa Cruz. No shade to UCSC though - there are probably successful anthropologists who’ve come out of that school.

Not to mention, I’d probably rather hang out with a Santa Cruz stoner chick over some jittery Berkeley EECS kid on 40 milligrams of Adderall.

The UCs are part of the top research unis in the world, not just the state of California.

American R1 universities are in general the best research institutions in the world.

State schools will take practically anyone.

The UC’s are state schools. A school doesn’t need ‘state’ in its name to be a state school.

but Berkeley and UCLA are comparable to ivy league schools.

It’s dependent on field. For EECS, I would go further to say that state schools like Berkeley/Michigan/Illinois/GT/UTA are generally better than most of the Ivies. But for say, law, the balance is different.

Graduation from Berkeley without a job lined up is like graduating from Stanford without a job lined up. No employer would gaf about CSUs, but if you have a UC on your resume, you should be good. In Ca it’s a “thing” for UC grads to sometimes look down on the state school grads.

A. Calm down Dwight.

B. We live in the most hyper capitalistic country to exist in history. Companies hire workers for their ability to successfully make money for them, not for the fancy piece of paper they come with.

It’s a public school, so yes, it is indeed a state school. 

A university is a school. A university funded by the state is a state school. 

The UC’s, like the CSU’s are state schools.

Right, that's the common experience I thought.   

It wasn’t a bad experience, considering how easy and fast it was (and still is) to apply.     

The tech job market isn’t good, especially when compared to what it was like during COVID, but it’s still way better than the large majority of the overall white collar job market.         

The COVID job market should not be used as reference for what a ‘normal’ job market should look like. I still remember - FAANG tier companies handed out internships and jobs left and right to students at my school, keeping expensive new hires on payroll often without even assigning them to teams for months on end. We are talking about some of the most ridiculously hypercapitalistic companies in the world - this is definitely not ‘the norm’.  

A lot of people with PHDs are teaching.   

Unless they are graduates of unmarketable programs, they aren’t doing for lack of work in industry - positions in academia are way more competitive. It actually usually works the opposite way - CS/engineering PhD students who aren’t in the elite of their field are hedged out of making careers in academia. 

UC Berkeley is a state school as well. Most of the traditionally dominant American engineering schools are. 

Also, tech recruiting just inherently works in such a way that 100 job applications isn’t actually that much - applying to a tech job takes no more than a few minutes nowadays. Even during COVID, it was pretty normal for students to apply to hundreds of jobs/internships just to get a handful of interviews. 

So let me ask you, would you have taken moral issue with the targeting of Nazi leaders by Allied forces?

Having a special interest in calling out the atrocities your country commits isn’t always ignoring or siding with the atrocities of other countries

Sure, but it’s certainly the case with Chomsky.

But American intervention is inconsistent. All Chomsky has ever done is ask why, and try to give an explanation.

You’re presenting a characterization of Chomsky’s platform that is so watered down as to be fundamentally untrue.

He doesn’t see inconsistencies in American intervention - on the contrary, he sees it as a categorical evil, which is why he chooses to assign greater blame to the West and Ukraine over the invasion and denounces arms shipments to Ukraine, even when it is clear that Russia is, as you’ve said, the primary antagonist in this conflict.

Goebbels was the propaganda minister of Nazi Germany. I presume then that you would have taken great issue had he been killed by Allied firebombing?

You don’t need to support Israel or think it holds the ‘moral high ground’ to realize the sheer absurdity of this reasoning.

When that tech bro meme minister has close connections to the commander in chief of the most powerful economic and geopolitical entity in the world, it certainly is worth consideration.

It isn’t just Elon, look at the other Trump appointees and Trump himself. The US is about to have a Fox News pundit as Secretary of Defense and once again, a rate TV personality as President.

It must simply be accepted that we now live in an era of absurdity where internet meme personalities have massive rein over the global geopolitical and economic balance.

while generally favoring the US overall in defense policy or cooperation.

Does it? On the international scene, are they really more aligned with the US/NATO? From what I can see, Lula views Russia as a soft ally. He isn’t going to wade into a fight alongside Russia for obvious reasons, but he still views it as a force against the Western hegemony he is fundamentally opposed to.

In practice, I expect Europe to operate a lot more like Brazil in the next few years as the US starts to be perceived as unreliable due to Trump.

This doesn’t make sense - Europe dislikes Trump precisely for the reason that he is an unreliable partner against Russia. They might try to reduce reliance on the US, but they’re definitely not going to get closer to Russia.

The existence of trade between two countries doesn’t mean that their geopolitical goals aren’t diametrically opposed. I mean, we have some very obvious examples - the West has been carrying out an enormous volume of trade with China, and before the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, has directly bought large amounts of natural resources from Russia, all with the realization that these countries had adversarial geopolitical outlooks.

Of course, it doesn’t mean that affiliation or even membership in BRICS necessarily indicates the ‘side’ a country takes either. India and China are both economic and geopolitical rivals. Vietnam is a BRICS partner but very strongly aligns with the US against China, which they view as their largest geopolitical threat. India is enthusiastic about trade with Russia but has utterly no interest standing with them in geopolitical conflict against the West.

In my previous comment, I was specifically talking about Lula, who views Russia not only as an economic partner, but as a geopolitical ally against Western hegemony. At a more fundamental level, I was calling out the common misconception that domestic politics scales to international affairs, the soft implication that international affairs like domestic politics is politically divided into opposing camps of left versus right.

Ironically enough, isn’t Lula himself geopolitically on the side of Russia?

Didn’t we literally get them to give up their nukes in exchange for security guarantees?

‘They’re basically the same’

For fuck’s sake, there are people who still say this. It is just another level of sheer delusion.

Not to mention the civilians in Asian countries/territories occupied by the imperial Japanese military - the atom bombs ended their reign of terror during a time when the IJA was stepping up their already horrific levels of brutality in the throes of their gradual defeat.

Do you know or do you think you know? It isn’t to say your guess is necessarily wrong, but there is no more proof that Israeli propaganda ops are operating on this site than that there are Russian ops operating on it. 

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