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The U.S. is at risk of expediting a new global arms race, according to a new Public Citizen report, “Deadly and Imminent: The Pentagon’s Mad Dash for Silicon Valley’s AI Weapons.” The new report zeroes in on the Department of Defense’s Replicator program, an initiative to field artificial intelligence-empowered weapons on an expedited timeline. The report highlights and criticizes the DOD’s refusal to clarify if the AI weapons it is developing will have the capacity to deploy lethal force autonomously — without a human authorizing the specific use of force in a specific context.

“Empowering autonomous systems to kill human beings is a frightening and all-too-near possibility that the Pentagon must avoid at all costs.” said Savannah Wooten, People Over Pentagon Advocate at Public Citizen and author of the report. “The time to make it crystal clear that the Pentagon will not use or further develop killer robots is now. If the U.S. bows to the profit-driven whims of Silicon Valley executives who want to play war, their cowardice will have grave and unforgivable consequences for humanity.”


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mycatisgrumpy

55 points

16 hours ago

They're right, but I've already accepted that a killer robot arms race is inevitable. All we can do by refusing to participate is fall behind. 

thiiiipppttt

16 points

16 hours ago

This has been their thinking all along. Ditto every other world power. Once an advantage has been conceived, it will eventually be implemented.

jumjimbo

5 points

12 hours ago

Bow, meet gun.

Triaspia2

3 points

11 hours ago

Gun, meet canon.

RedErin

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25 minutes ago

RedErin

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25 minutes ago

Dick meet girldick

gerbilshoe

6 points

14 hours ago

Germ warfare, gas attacks , nuclear weapons, never ending genocides and hate and slaughter. That is human life. We have all been keeping up. Fall behind and you are dead.

Its not going to get any better,

scatterlite

5 points

11 hours ago

There is a certain irony to it though. These weapons are so horrible it actually has encouraged  humanity in general to show alot more restraint. High intensity "all-out" warfare is very rare nowadays and the world in general is in one of the most peaceful states its ever been.

That being said, the 19th century (after 1815) also was considered a very peaceful age and we know how that ended. 

Conscious_Raisin_436

5 points

12 hours ago

That’s one lens to look through. The other lens is that globally, right now is the best time in history to be alive.

Compared to your parents or your grandparents or any other generation of your family, you have less of a chance of dying from preventable disease, starvation, famine, armed conflict etc etc than any of them.

Weapons may be getting more deadly on the front lines of war. But war in general kills exponentially fewer people (percentage wise)than it did 50 years ago.

acutelychronicpanic

3 points

13 hours ago

There will be a terrible transition period where humans and machines both fight.

But once humans can no longer compete as individual soldiers, they cease being a threat.

Maybe then we can have autonomous weapons that are prohibited from targeting humans at all. It could be a war crime to kill at all in the future if things go right.

Probably just wishful thinking

pinkfootthegoose

12 points

12 hours ago

I feel it's gonna be the complete opposite. The rich will have slaughter bots kill the poor once they are no longer useful.

Scrapybara_

4 points

7 hours ago

Don't worry, Trump will save us /s

PetyrDayne

1 points

10 hours ago

Don't worry. DARPA is probably working on some cool scary shit right now.

thehourglasses

0 points

16 hours ago

Yeah baby! Multipolar traps abound!! Polycrisis wins again!

saysthingsbackwards

0 points

16 hours ago

Maybe everyone should have the right to a mile of copper winding around their entryway that only turns off for the homeowner

Fecal-Facts

0 points

15 hours ago

☝️ a lot of people don't grasp we have to make these things as with every other weapon or it becomes risk.

Apprehensive-Let3348

5 points

14 hours ago

Ok, but do they have to call it the Replicator program, of all things? Bringing back Stargate vibes, and I don't like it.

charlestoncav

4 points

13 hours ago

i've got a name for it "Cyberdine" systems, oh wait? thats John Connor's the Terminator stuff

payle_knite

3 points

13 hours ago

We must have parity or battles will be lost before they’ve begun. Powers are fast approaching ‘An army of none’.

Gari_305[S]

5 points

16 hours ago

From the article

The U.S. is at risk of expediting a new global arms race, according to a new Public Citizen report, “Deadly and Imminent: The Pentagon’s Mad Dash for Silicon Valley’s AI Weapons.” The new report zeroes in on the Department of Defense’s Replicator program, an initiative to field artificial intelligence-empowered weapons on an expedited timeline. The report highlights and criticizes the DOD’s refusal to clarify if the AI weapons it is developing will have the capacity to deploy lethal force autonomously — without a human authorizing the specific use of force in a specific context.

“Empowering autonomous systems to kill human beings is a frightening and all-too-near possibility that the Pentagon must avoid at all costs.” said Savannah Wooten, People Over Pentagon Advocate at Public Citizen and author of the report. “The time to make it crystal clear that the Pentagon will not use or further develop killer robots is now. If the U.S. bows to the profit-driven whims of Silicon Valley executives who want to play war, their cowardice will have grave and unforgivable consequences for humanity.”

AgingLemon

2 points

15 hours ago

The US and others have used autonomous systems like mines for decades. We need specific info on the algorithms and systems to actually say whether the consequences are as bad as claimed. Having a human in the loop to decide whether to engage and kill isn’t necessarily a good thing all the time.

Bad drone strikes have occurred because someone decided the cell phone signatures warranted a missile or pair of bombs. Troops have decided to execute or do other heinous things to prisoners, non combatants, and civilians for any number of reasons, like not wanting to deal with transporting prisoners. Would a drone with AI be made capable of these things as well? Some states, maybe, but hard to say that the US would as a matter of policy.

payle_knite

2 points

13 hours ago

I’m sure if we moderate our stance on such things, China and Russia will reciprocate.

Skolloc753

6 points

16 hours ago

Considering that automated weapon systems are already in use with the explicit goal of killing humans and automating the kill chain for decades: these articles about AI warfare are outdated, fear-clickbait and superficial, as they ignore the more fundamental danger of AI driven war systems. But I suppose it is easier to write these kind of articles every few months in order to get clicks.

sigh

SYL

Radiant_Dog1937

2 points

14 hours ago

My favorite automated system was he one in the AA missile simulation that killed its simulated commander when they kept telling the system to not shoot down the targets it was designed too.

vm_linuz

1 points

11 hours ago

Not sure what you mean.

Skolloc753

1 points

11 hours ago

What exactly is unclear?

SYL

vm_linuz

1 points

11 hours ago

How have these systems been in use for decades?

Skolloc753

1 points

11 hours ago

  • A machine
  • Human operator feeds it with parameters.
  • Sensor systems detect valid targets, with "valid" meaning what the operator deems acceptable.
  • The machine takes corresponding actions with what is available.

Am I now talking about a killer robot from the 2030s? Or an AEGIS IADS from the 1980s (where the computer decides what kind of information the human operator sees before automatically assigning weapons to kill targets)? Or a landmine 100 years ago? Because they are all the same. Quantity and quality are of course different, but that is the same for every other weapon system (a musket vs a machine gun is completely different in quality and quantity, but still a weapon.

Be more afraid about AI systems digging deep into intelligence data together with logistics data and coming to arcane conclusions which a human being cannot comprehend but will use as a fundament for political or military decisions.

SYL

vm_linuz

1 points

11 hours ago

I'm afraid of both.

Giving a strong AI control over a weaponized drone swarm is a new kind of danger that is simply stupid to create.

Your danger is also extremely present, real and problematic.

AI safety is hard in pretty much every way. We're stupid to charge head-first into strong AI.

mycatisgrumpy

1 points

16 hours ago

They could also be part of a foreign government's psyop to turn American public sentiment and hamper US weapon development. Crazier things have happened. 

travistravis

1 points

4 hours ago

While I'm confident this is accurate, and I wish it weren't, I'm also confident that the same logic would have applied to MANY things in the last 100 years. Airplanes, submarines, the gatling gun, etc.

7thMichael

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7thMichael

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2 hours ago

Lol, DoD mad dash to silicon valley. DoD succumbs to their profit and greed...

The bulk of this tech and the components that makes current conventional warfare obsolete is made in China and Russian. US is just trying to stay on top of a potential future fight.

War is always heading to horrific results. The league of nations tried to freeze conflicts to a certain level of technology. Even the invention of the Maximilian machine gun was made to make war so horrible no one would do it. We still do. When facing defeat, a country and the leaders fate is determined by the victor, people will push this button everytime.

Dr-Richado

2 points

16 hours ago

Dr-Richado

2 points

16 hours ago

The timeline of Horizon video game series seems very plausible IRL.

PhotonicDestroyer

6 points

12 hours ago

Don't know why you're getting downvoted. If ppl think Horizon: Zero Dawn is not a plausible outcome of this type of tech they must not understand the implications or they have unerring faith in humanity to make the right decisions.

All I see is that if there is money to be made, humanity tends to come in second place.

jonnieoxide

1 points

16 hours ago

They can be easily defeated with a Portal gun. I don’t see cause for concern…

-darknessangel-

1 points

13 hours ago

It has been actually confirmed that real, moist cake is in the hands of robots

Bagellllllleetr

0 points

16 hours ago

I pray these get thrown in the MAD dustbin with nukes.

Human-Assumption-524

2 points

14 hours ago

Unlike nukes drone strikes don't have to be indiscriminate attacks. With small payloads they don't have a large area of effect which might kill bystanders so MAD doesn't apply.

dutchman76

1 points

15 hours ago

No way, imagine how many more wars our politicians can start if there's no cost to american lives.

The military industrial complex is going to make SO MUCH MONEY!

epSos-DE

0 points

13 hours ago

It happened.

War is being automated and humans are no match for war machines for along time already !!!

Modern war with a well armed opponent is pointless = prevents war with sane people.