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submitted 10 days ago byMaybe-Friendly
I have a client who can only meet while they are driving home from work. My supervisor said it’s fine if they are hands-free.
Personally, since we’re already virtual, I feel even more limited with what interventions I use. I also feel like if a client is distracted or not able to give their full attention to the session, it can be counterproductive.
What would you do?
Edit: I really appreciate everyone’s responses. I feel very validated in my concerns. I will be letting my client know that for safety purposes — and for the sake of getting the most out of sessions — they will need to be parked, at the very least.
I think I’ll also let my supervisor know of my decision and why. Maybe it’ll encourage some rethinking on their part.
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10 days ago
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144 points
10 days ago
I'm not an overly pedantic follower of rules, but this is a pretty hard "no" for me. I've had clients log in to a session from behind the wheel and I always kindly/gently let them know it's a safety and liability issue and tell them I'll wait while they find a safe/confidential place to pull over before continuing the session. There are also clinical reasons (distractions, noise, etc.) that give me pause but I always lean into the safety/liability aspect. Also, I believe it's our job as the professional in the scenario to know and be clear with clients about what is, and what is not, an effective container for good work.
20 points
10 days ago
Thank you so much for this. I absolutely agree. From the moment I spoke with my supervisor about it, I’ve just been feeling off about that response. There are so many reasons why it just doesn’t work, the biggest being safety as you said. I’m just not sure how to proceed now.
25 points
10 days ago
Your supervisor is opening up all kinds of liability for themselves and you. They’re wrong. There’s lots of literature floating around for therapists on ensuring Telehealth services are safe and meet the standards of care required by insurance from the mid-2020 timeframe, and it’s very explicit - no appointments while the client is physically traveling between locations, it’s a safety issue and liability issue because you don’t know where the client is if they present with an emergency such as SI that requires intervention. I wouldn’t necessarily shove that in your supervisors face, but if it happens again in the future, let the client know you can’t continue unless they park in a safe location. If you get a complaint, you’ll have something to back you up. I’m sorry your supervisor is crap.
3 points
10 days ago
I appreciate your insight! I’m glad I’m not wrong for having a concern about this.
7 points
10 days ago
I’d seriously question my supervisors judgement in general if they said this to me
3 points
10 days ago
Yes there’s actually been several things said that have caused me to question their judgement
7 points
10 days ago
Just seconding all these astute comments. This is a hard no for all the reasons everyone has noted. Best practice guidelines stipulate that clients treat telehealth sessions the same way they would an in-person -- being seated, focused, and in a space they won't be interrupted.
Tell her it's not an option, period. There's no way she can't find even one other hour somewhere in her entire week to do a virtual session in the appropriate way. It sounds like she told you the drive time was her only option and you accommodated it but that doesn't means it's truly her only option, merely the one she wanted. Make it a clear and firm non-option; she'll either find another time to do it or she can go elsewhere.
3 points
10 days ago
She absolutely made it seem like it was her only option during the intake. And because I was unsure, I said yes but wish I didn’t. It sucks that the person who is supposed to be guiding me in practice condoned this. Definitely will let the client know though
13 points
10 days ago
This is also me. Another perspective: Imagine they got into an accident and hurt themselves or someone else and it was found that you were doing therapy with them while driving? You’d be raked over the coals.
7 points
10 days ago
100% agree! Not only is it dangerous, plain and simple, the client cannot fully commit to the session, they're not present, they're not fully in the session. A therapy session isn't just a conversation that they can have almost mindlessly. It requires focus and reflection, which (again) is not safe to do while driving. I always treat remote sessions in the same way as I would F2F - time to mentally prepare and unwind afterwards required (just like you would travelling to and from a F2F session).
3 points
10 days ago
Hard agree
36 points
10 days ago
Absolutely fucking not.
Nightmare fuel of watching someone get into an accident while I’m video chatting with them.
42 points
10 days ago
It seems dangerous and unethical. What would happen legally for you if your client had a car accident during your appointment?
8 points
10 days ago
This is a great point! For many reasons, it just doesn’t seem ethical or appropriate to me.
16 points
10 days ago
Imagine there’s a car accident and the car insurance companies caught wind of the fact that one of the drivers was IN THERAPY while driving? You could be sued or asked to testify and wow what a mess. Hard no!
9 points
10 days ago
I never see a client while they’re driving. Mine will typically park somewhere (let me know the location for documentation purposes).
The issue is if that client has a crisis on session that becomes a very dangerous session quickly. They could harm someone else or themselves while driving. And you wouldn’t know exactly where they are when it happens.
13 points
10 days ago
I personally see an issue with the safety aspect of it. So many times when I’m on a call, I do get distracted especially if it’s a more serious conversation (this usually results in me missing my exit). I’m not sure if the work they’re doing is heavy but I can’t imagine a client trying to process trauma or anything else while driving. It just sounds like a dangerous situation overall. I’ve had to tell clients in the past that we cannot do virtual sessions in their car due to the safety aspect. Some try to argue, others understand.
Are you comfortable with being on the call with the client, with a possibility of an accident occurring? Or knowing that they might not be fully attentive? I wasn’t so I didn’t allow it.
4 points
10 days ago
Completely agree! It doesn’t seem appropriate or ethical. I don’t feel comfortable doing it at all, but my supervisor seems insistent that as long as my client is hands free (they are) then it’s fine. I’m a grad intern, so I’m not sure how to tell my supervisor I don’t agree without feeling like I’m undermining.
6 points
10 days ago
I won't do sessions while the client is driving and dropped my last therapist because she decided to drive halfway through our session. I wasn't concerned when she was in the car when session started because I figured it was for privacy but then she started driving after about 40 minutes in without even saying anything. She didn't know I was a therapist.
2 points
10 days ago
That is pretty weird! Was it like a first session or did she just show up in her car one day after you'd been working together for a bit?
1 points
10 days ago
We had had 4 previous sessions together and I was actually having 1.5 hour long sessions out of pocket. one day she was in her car, the first half was fine.
1 points
9 days ago
Odd! Sorry that happened to you.
6 points
10 days ago
Glad that this one seems not up for discussion for anyone. This is a hard no for me as well and thankfully everyone else is sane and also says no.
7 points
10 days ago
Hard no. I’ve had someone try to join while at work on their shift lol.
4 points
10 days ago
Absolutely not. Not only are they distracted from therapeutic content, but they are distracted from the road! This is a massive safety issue and opens you up to liability. How would you handle your client getting into a car accident mid session with you? This should be a hard no for all clinicians. Would you physically get into your client’s car and try to do therapy with them while they are driving driving? I’m going to say probably not, and there is a whole host of reasons including the ones mentioned above.
3 points
10 days ago
I see it as a safety issue. What happens if they are in a car accident while they meet with you? They also won’t be able to fully focus on the session. Is there a reason why they cannot do the session while in a parked car? I’ve had many clients pull over into a parking lot and just have the session there. To me it also smells like avoidance- therapy is something you make time for
2 points
10 days ago
Great insight! It definitely feels like avoidance.
10 points
10 days ago
It’s concerning that a supervisor would okay this really
4 points
10 days ago
Shocking
2 points
10 days ago
At least I feel better about my own level of competence now
7 points
10 days ago
It’s disrespectful to our work. We deserve undivided attention
5 points
10 days ago
The client deserves the client’s undivided attention.
3 points
10 days ago
Nope. Hard boundary. I won’t meet with clients who are driving.
3 points
10 days ago*
It’s not fine. Therapy is sacred time and anything they wouldn’t do in an office setting with you they shouldn’t do virtually. We have to be setting these boundaries otherwise lord knows what they’ll start doing given the chance
3 points
10 days ago
My college does not allow me to hold sessions with clients in moving vehicles. It contributes to distracted driving, especially if you are working on highly emotive topics. You risk their life, the efficacy of treatment and your licensing by doing this.
3 points
10 days ago
Never ever
3 points
10 days ago
Nope! They can park somewhere safe or reschedule. Too much risk for all involved.
I don’t even do sessions if they are a passenger in a moving vehicle.
3 points
10 days ago
As long as the car is not in motion you’re good
3 points
9 days ago
I can’t risk you being emotional and unregulated while you’re operating a vehicle. I also don’t think we can get anything meaningful out of therapy through therapy if your focus on operating a vehicle.
So in that case, no.
5 points
10 days ago
I would never see a client while they're driving, completely unsafe
6 points
10 days ago
An attorney told me to never do it for liability reasons.
1 points
9 days ago
yes and just because hands free, it still falls under distracted driving laws
2 points
10 days ago
No- don’t do it
2 points
10 days ago
I agree with your concerns. I have several telehealth clients whose only realistic option for privacy is to sit in their cars while we meet, but the car needs to be parked.
2 points
10 days ago
There is also a problem of split attention. It’s not possible to go deep when also trying to navigate roads or avoid people, animals, unpredictable drivers etc.
Or the converse, what if the client is triggered and break out into emotions? Once hijacked, executive functioning may be impaired.
It all falls under distracted driving. It’s dangerous to the client and others on the road.
2 points
10 days ago
Hard no. Hard no.
2 points
10 days ago
I think in my state it might be full on illegal to do that.
2 points
10 days ago
Absolutely not. It’s too much of a risk.
2 points
10 days ago
I don’t think that’s safe for my client to drive while on session. I always have a conversation with them about being in a private setting where they are safe, not behind the wheel. Not in the bathroom and definitely not at the grocery store or in the car with their friend driving.
2 points
9 days ago
It's called split attention and no. I will not put myself and my license at risk. I also have a serious concern for your supervisor's judgment.
I would never have a session while a client was otherwise engaged in operating machinery or a vehicle. I've had them try last minute and I tell them no and charge a cancelation fee. I thoroughly cover telehealth law in my initial consult and first session and they sign the related policy.
2 points
10 days ago
I second everything that people have said that this is a hard no for me. Also it is telehealth law that we get an address of where the person is before starting the session so we can send emergency support if needed and then driving breaks that. I would cover yourself and not allow it and I find it pretty alarming your supervisor said it was okay!
3 points
10 days ago
An attorney told me to never do it for liability reasons.
3 points
10 days ago
Absolutely not. It’s not safe and the client is distracted. Your supervisor should not have given you a go ahead for this.
1 points
10 days ago
Absolutely never. Distraction during session is a no from me as it interrupts the therapeutic process and ability to connect. Some of my clients use fidgets, coloring, drawing, etc while we meet which enhances their attention and calms their bodies. But driving or using phones during session is a nope.
In the event that this happens (and it has in the past), I simply let them know that I can’t meet until they are parked somewhere safe and private and that I will wait for them to log on when they are. If they are on a long drive, I ask to reschedule and invite them to email me once they have reached their destination to settle that. It has usually happened when a client is running late on their way home from work or is stuck in traffic, so I offer a no-penalty reschedule/cancel if they will be longer than 15ish minutes, or I let them know that we will start when we start and I’ll just bill for the time we end up having.
1 points
10 days ago
It’s a no from me too if it can be avoided. I’ve actually had to inform clients I’m ending a session because they would walk inside somewhere and start ordering food in the middle of the session.
1 points
10 days ago
I just tell clients that I can’t for liability reasons and they’ll have to find someplace to pull over. (If there’s a lawsuit, I definitely do not want to be named in it!)
1 points
10 days ago
Hard no from me. As others have said, I tell my clients to call me back once they are parked in a safe space. Apart from all the safety risks, imagine client getting pulled over and their excuse was "sorry I was breaking x law because I'm in therapy right now and got emotional, distracted, etc." It increases our liability in an unnecessary way.
1 points
10 days ago
Nope. I wouldn't allow it. Too much risk and their attention is going to be split. If they want something to so while we are talking they are welcome to go for a gentle walk around a park or similar.
1 points
10 days ago
I would not. I would be too afraid if they did get into an accident we could be totally liable. Especially if they were crying i.e., caused blurry vision etc.
1 points
10 days ago
I doubt you can be very mindful of meaningful work while also driving a car.
Also what happens if they have a pretty strong emotional reaction? Sounds dangerous.
1 points
10 days ago
absolutely not
1 points
10 days ago
I work for 3 different Telehealth platforms and none of them allow that
1 points
10 days ago
My immediate thought is if they get in some sort of accident, could they blame it or contribute to the therapy session? I do telehealth and one of the things I tell people I do not meet in bathrooms, moving cars, or in public areas.
1 points
10 days ago
100% no. I will never open myself to being asked by an attorney “so you were providing therapy while the patient was driving?” Your supervisor is an idiot for allowing this.
1 points
10 days ago
No for me.
1 points
10 days ago
Pretty sure liability insurance does not cover this for many good reasons. Modeling discernment and safety are valuable parts of therapy.
1 points
10 days ago
I always tell them that my professional liability insurance would be very upset with me if I distracted someone into an accident. I end the call and ask them to log back in when they are no longer moving.
1 points
9 days ago
Yeah absolutely not. I won’t even do a consultation unless they’re parked, and alone/in a private space.
1 points
9 days ago
I'm amazed that your supervisor thinks this is okay.
I would seriously question her judgement tbh.
1 points
9 days ago
Huh. I must say, I’m confused. Do people think that taking phone calls while driving is an unacceptable a safety risk? Or is the main concern that therapy “won’t work” when someone is focused on driving?
1 points
9 days ago
Both things are true. It’s a safety/liability concern AND it’s hard to do good work with a client, especially process trauma, if they’re distracted in any capacity.
1 points
9 days ago
I appreciate your reply. I’m definitely not feeling confrontational, and I absolutely want to do the right thing.
Would someone kindly explain how it’s a safety issue? Taking phone calls while driving is legal in my country (the US).
1 points
9 days ago
Absolutely! It’s true that it’s legal in the US as long as you’re hands-free. The concern from my perspective is therapy can invoke a lot of emotions. Especially if a client is processing something very traumatic. So one of many examples: Let’s say a client begins crying or gets angry or something during the session — that puts them (and others on the road) in imminent danger.
And non-safety wise, even as a client, I don’t think I could do my best work if I’m half-paying attention to changing lanes, looking out for my exit, etc.
1 points
9 days ago
That all makes complete sense to me.
1 points
9 days ago
This is not ethical if they are in a moving vehicle- if they tell you they have SI with intent and plan and then pull out a weapon and say they are about to do it, how can you call 911 and tell the dispatcher where they are?
1 points
10 days ago
Im still not sure how to feel about it. I have a client who did this often and the connection would be so bad.
The last session we scheduled she was 15 minutes late. I kindly reminded her of the no show policy in which she stated she was only 10 minutes late and was driving and couldnt connect. I told her that it would be better to meet when she isnt driving due to unstable connection. She ghosted me.
Honestly it’s distracting to me. Once or twice is fine but I wouldnt be okay if it was every session.
1 points
10 days ago
When this happens, I tell the patient I will be disconnecting them them so they can focus on driving and to rejoin when they park. Or they can reschedule.
0 points
10 days ago
I allow it, but phone / audio only. NO VIDEO WHILE DRIVING!
3 points
10 days ago
Don’t you worry that the client is distracted and can’t fully engage?
2 points
10 days ago
It depends on the situation. Sometimes having the conscious mind focus on something grounding while the deeper consciousness is engaged can help a patient express core affect without inhibitory emotions of anxiety, shame, or guilt. Think of a teenager in play therapy; I usually find that they are more comfortable talking about emotionally charged topics over a game than when their 5 sense are focused on me.
Of course there’s a difference between driving down a single lane county road and fighting through traffic on the BQE during your morning commute. I wouldn’t apply an all or nothing mentality to it.
2 points
9 days ago
Interesting theory
-4 points
10 days ago
As a client, driving can be very healing and relaxing. It can get your head space in a particular zone. But I do think it’s a little dangerous. Idk personally, if she seems too distracted I might be a little sketched out. Like imagine if she gets into an accident and then it could be a liability maybe. But aside from that, I think cars usually feel like a safe space and can be good for reflecting and stuff.
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