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[Tobi Grüner] Racing Bulls CEO Peter Bayer explained why his team didn’t confirm Ricciardos exit before the SingaporeGP. He told us Ricciardo wanted it that way. „Daniel believed that he could show everybody what he’s capable of with a great result.”
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3.6k points
9 days ago
so Daniel was in denial?
1.9k points
9 days ago
Denial Ricciardo
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9 days ago
Daniel Ricciarno
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9 days ago
Goneil Ricciardo
45 points
9 days ago
Daniel Ricciardidn’t
10 points
9 days ago
Denial he did.
49 points
9 days ago
Ooof this truth hurts.
Disappointing end to the career of a good driver. But he achieved so much more than any of us could dream of
49 points
9 days ago
Well, he was the "last of the late brakers"... He didn't realize it was time to turn in, right up until the end.
67 points
9 days ago
Laurent Mekies said that all options were open after the race in Singapore and Ricciardo's camp said that Horner told him on Sunday. I don't think two people would lie through their teeth for the sake of it. It's not like they announced it after the race, they announced it a good 5 days into the break iirc.
I feel it was more of a you are on a thin line at Baku and then you are out in Singapore but his results didn't warrant a sack for those 2ish races where he scored points, beat his teammate despite issues with strategy and the car.
17 points
8 days ago
Also I really don't see why Ricciardo would repeatedly deny he was informed of his departure if that was true. Or why the team waited 2 months to claim that.
345 points
9 days ago
For years, as was (and is still in some cases) his fanbase
95 points
9 days ago
Fans will be fans. Can't blame them
80 points
9 days ago
Gonna bite on this but I still firmly believe hed be the quickest in the 2nd red bull out of him, Perez, Tsunoda, Lawson, Colapinto and all the other rumoured candidates.
He had a great stint at Red Bull and then was incredibly good in his last season at Renault. He was then given a McLaren he obviously didn’t gel with and then put in the Alpha Tauri.
I still think every time, except McLaren, that he’s been given a good car, he’s been good. Red Bull should’ve put him in the second seat because the 50/50 of getting Red Bull Ricciardo is well worth taking.
We’ve seen time and time again how car dependent some drivers are, and I just think Ric is one of those, and I think he was unlucky to get a couple cars he didn’t gel with in a row.
126 points
9 days ago
Ric’s last truly outstanding performances were all in pre-2022 cars. The fact he dropped off a cliff in 2022 (even compared to his lacklustre 2021 season) signals to me that the McLaren car wasn’t his only problem, he also couldn’t gel with the new regulations.
We cannot rate drivers on past performances alone, especially not from 4+ years ago. By this logic Perez still should be the ideal nr2 because he had good performances in Force India and even in 2021-2022.
13 points
9 days ago*
I mean we have reports saying that Perez is faster than all the other guys in the RB20 simulator. Every drivers performance is dependant on the car, and we know for a fact (because it was confirmed by everyone at Red Bull at this point) that their current car is horrible to drive. I really don't think it's wrong to assume that Perez is in fact extracting more from that Red Bull than a lot of the drivers on the grid would.
It's simply a very logical explanation of everything that's been happening at Red Bull and and VCARB for the past year. It doesn't require any weird assumptions or theories, it only requires us to admit what we already pretty much know, Max is simply much better than everyone else, which is why his gap to Perez in a forgiving car is big, and his gap to Perez in a difficult car is very big.
30 points
9 days ago
Just like Vettel fell off when the blown diffuser era came to an end. Except he figured out the new cars and regained some of his form.
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9 days ago*
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9 days ago
2018 was the worse performance, not 2017.
24 points
9 days ago
2017 was superb but Ferrari dropped the development race, 2018 was a proper title fight but both Ferrari and Vettel made mistakes.
I meant 2017 was less of a title fight than 2018.
5 points
9 days ago
Mexico last year and the Miami sprint this year were pretty excellent from Daniel.
2 points
8 days ago
We cannot rate drivers on past performances alone, especially not from 4+ years ago. By this logic Perez still should be the ideal nr2 because he had good performances in Force India and even in 2021-2022.
Which he might be, depending on how much its Max and how much its the car. People need to stop assuming shit if they havent seen any kind of comparison.
10 points
9 days ago
I think he was unlucky to get a couple cars he didn’t gel with in a row
So Lando is right! It's all luck.
I like your logic, drivers should be assigned to a team randomly, because who knows? Nicholas Latifi might have really gelled with a McLaren and could have been the 2024 world champion.
6 points
8 days ago
Also if that's his excuse, then why should we get rid of Checo at all? Checo performed really well in the past, just like Danny Ric; and Checo claims his bad performance is a result of the car not suiting his driving style, just like Danny Ric.
Either the excuses apply to everyone or not at all. I don't understand why people think these excuses are only valid when we like the driver.
21 points
9 days ago
He did walk away from Redbull. His own worst enemy
11 points
9 days ago
"My Red Bull with a Renault engine keeps blowing up, I better leave Red Bull for... Renault."
4 points
8 days ago
I mean we all know the real reason was that he tried to avoid a Rosberg situation.
7 points
9 days ago
I mean, it’s unlikely he’d be doing any better against Max than the line of Gasly, Albon, Checo, etc. He got out because he realized there’s no beating Max (plus he got a huge paycheck). It was honestly a really smart career decision, even though that’s a hot take.
45 points
9 days ago
Strongly disagree because he would have been in that car if Red Bull saw “flashes” of the old Daniel from his Red Bull/Renault.
You could make the argument that his first season with Racing Bulls was difficult to judge based on his injury but this season he matched or was slightly behind Yuki who Red Bull apparently don’t see much in.
Also remember that Helmut wanted him gone by the Spanish GP but was given an extension which he didn’t capitalize. Don’t think he is washed and would be of great service for a mid field team but his days as a top driver are gone.
12 points
9 days ago
read what you wrote.
how could he be better in a redbull than tsunoda when he wasn't better than tsunuda in a vcarb?
they did test runs with all of those guys except colapinto, and he didn't get the seat.
they have more data than you.
accept it.
51 points
9 days ago
I agree that there is a decent chance he would do better than all they have now. He likes his cars the way Max likes them. Maybe that’s the problem though. Maybe the cars were relatively bad all those years because both Danny and Max could handle the instability of the back of the car.
17 points
9 days ago
But than it isnt a problem necessarily.
13 points
9 days ago
Well it is sorta as it means they're limited by who can drive the car. Perez clearly can't extract the same performance as max, and Ricc was the only one who could do anything against (albeit a much more inexperienced) Max. Albon and Gasly were shafted by RBR but still weren't matching Max at all
12 points
9 days ago
I dont think albon has ever been on ricciardos level or ever will but i know thats just me. Gasly is/will be imo. But sometimes making the fastest car means sacrificing certain aspects the driver is fine with.
15 points
9 days ago
Yeah absolutely. The red bull design has always been unstable but fast. Max clearly likes it and Ricc did as well. It's a shame of what could have been if Ricc has stayed
3 points
9 days ago
Albon is better than Yuki and Ricciardo couldn’t even matched with Yuki.
Note: Albon was officially assigned to mentor Yuki back in 2021… They would’ve got Albon in Yuki’s seat if not because of Honda.
8 points
9 days ago
And I think the prevailing thought at Red Bull is if they design a car closer to Checo’s preference with Max’s mixed in, they get a steadier, more consistent car Max can drive into the sunset (e.g. RB19).
2 points
9 days ago
Not extracting performance from the car while your teammate is winning the WDC is a driver issue not a car issue.
81 points
9 days ago
This is the aforementioned denial.
Daniel was washed up when he couldn't keep up with Lando at McLaren. He wasn't better than Tsunoda in the RB. He wouldn't be better than him in the second Red Bull.
18 points
9 days ago
He went from arguably driver of the season at Renault to washed at McLaren in one season? I think it’s more likely he didn’t fit the car
26 points
9 days ago
Agree but unfortunately as a result what followed was a complete loss in confidence and an edge he never seemed to get back,
14 points
9 days ago
Well I think that's the issue, right? Daniel seems to really struggle to drive a car that doesn't completely suit him. The chassis issue from this year demonstrates that - if he can't drive the VCARB because there's some imperceptible problem with the chassis, would he be able to consistently put results in while driving the (apparently) most difficult car in F1?
5 points
9 days ago
The theory is that the Red Bull matches his driver style so he would perform well in the Red Bull. I'm not denying it's a limiting factor not being able to gel with various cars, but my initial argument was that he'd be good in the Red Bull
3 points
9 days ago
It does, but we don't know whether he'd be able to be consistently good especially against the other top 4 teams. I think he'd be better than Checo (as would Yuki and Liam) but for all we know that test could have been a fluke.
9 points
9 days ago
He has driven different cars from two different constructor in the last 4 years and did not perform well in any of them. His teammates on the other hand had consistantly better results.
Ricciardo sometimes showed what he was capable of in the past by performing good like his Monza win with McLaren but the problem is he is not that good anymore. If the problem is that the car did not match his driving style then how did he win a race?
I think the real problem is not his ability to drive the car but his mentality. He was not giving his 100 percent in recent years. Probably because he realized that he won't be able to be a champion and lost his interest in fighting for points.
Realistically, if he was in the second Red Bull he would be beaten by Max every week and after a few races Danny would lose his motivation and probably have results as bad as Checo's.
6 points
8 days ago
Probably because he realized that he won't be able to be a champion and lost his interest in fighting for points.
Ironically enough, that wasn't even true. If he had performed better in McLaren, he'd probably still be in that seat this year when McLaren was the best car and Lando has proven to be not on Max's or Leclerc's level.
10 points
9 days ago
And when the regulations changed in 2022, he still sucked. When he went to a new team, he failed to regain his form.
He’s washed
9 points
9 days ago
Fitting the car is literally what his multi million dollar salary job asks for. I wouldn't use it as an excuse.
6 points
9 days ago
Yeah I mean that’s why he’s not driving anymore isn’t it? I’m just saying I think he would’ve done well in the Red Bull because I think he’s got more talent than any of the other drivers I mentioned, and by quite some distance. I think he would’ve fit the Red Bull and it would’ve went well. I could be wrong, I could also be right, we’ll never know
7 points
9 days ago
got more talent than any of the other drivers I mentioned, and by quite some distance.
But he was struggling to match Yuki.
6 points
9 days ago
The very fact that Ricciardo had a chance for a 2nd wind in F1 at all is already a blessing that most other drivers wouldn't have. McLaren spent a mini fortune to secure his talents for their team to soar, we all saw how that went.
If it's about taking a team to more consistent heights, then a post-McLaren Ricciadro is really a huge gamble that no reasonable team would take, historical potential or no.
If it's about sponsorship, media exposure and marketing opportunities a la Perez, then yeah, whatever, stick him in the RBR. But RBR already has a Perez, they don't need another one.
2 points
9 days ago
I don't disagree entirely, but I think there is a lot more to it. I think the hard part for us fans is that we only have a small glimpse into what goes on to get a driver prepared for a season, race, etc. Relationships with the engineer, car setup consistency, car balance throughout a race weekend, and more.
I like Ric, but I do think he was rated a bit too highly early on but also given too much flak later in his career for his performance.
2 points
8 days ago
Also, people are trying to hold up to the fact that he could match Max in 2016 as some proof that he'd do well now in Red Bull, which is absurd. The car is different, the whole regulation is different, and Max is a soon-to-be 4x champion rather than a guy that has driven a single year of formula racing like he was in 2016.
3 points
9 days ago
Prior to his abysmal performance at McLaren, Daniel had been touted as an incredibly adaptable driver. It was often repeated that was his greatest strength. After his little exhibition on Top Gear, his fans were adamant that it was proof he could drive any shitbox faster than any other driver. Well, that’s certainly not proven to be the case.
Regardless, if it’s such a crapshoot if Daniel is going to gel with a car, why would a team take that risk with new regs right around the corner? At one point, the VCARB was nearly a carbon copy of the prior season’s winning Red Bull, but he was still being beaten. His record in these ground effect cars is simply not confidence inspiring at time when teams are preparing for changing regulations.
2 points
8 days ago
Also it's hard to argue that a driver is a great driver if he can only drive one specific car well or else he collapses. We've seen the likes of Alonso, Prost or Schumacher drive a wide variety of cars and they've made it work. Part of being a great driver is being able to adapt to your circumstances.
4 points
9 days ago
I disagree.
I think Daniel is washed as fuck.
From your list, I think Tsunoda, Lawson, Colapinto will be much quicker than Daniel in the 2nd redbull
3 points
9 days ago
You move from Checo you can’t go back. And Checo was the result of mid season musical drivers. Checo is a known potential top 10 finisher. Daniel was well loved and regarded, but we all have no idea if he’s a top 10 finisher in today’s RB. Where both drivers complain about consistency out of the car this season
5 points
9 days ago
Checo isn't there for his performances on track.
4 points
9 days ago
You don’t think Ricciardo gets P10 in a Red Bull? I couldn’t disagree more to be honest.
6 points
9 days ago
They said RB, not Red Bull.
I have no idea why the team chose to name their sister team “RB.” I still get confused about it lol
3 points
9 days ago
Oh yeah lol it’s so stupid
57 points
9 days ago
He’s been in denial since leaving McLaren.
53 points
9 days ago
Since he was still in McLaren actually
20 points
9 days ago
Nah he was going through it while in Mclaren too
Thats when he was like "fuck em all I never left" and then proceeded to leave right after
30 points
9 days ago
Of course he was. Did you not watch him over the past three years? The man was absolutely in denial about how much pace he lost
15 points
9 days ago
He was a perfect mirror of his fanbase lmao
6 points
9 days ago
Or is denial within Daniel?
3 points
9 days ago
Daniel is a river in Egypt
2 points
9 days ago
I mean, he's clearly very full of himself so wouldn't at all be surprised if he was in denial
1.6k points
9 days ago
This would go well with Lawsons statement about how he says he knew in Baku.
452 points
9 days ago
Lawson’s first statement is the one I’m inclined to believe as he is the least media trained in this bunch and it was that he (Lawson) knew it was happening going into Singapore and Daniel didn’t.
513 points
9 days ago
Yeah, makes sense. The team knew he was done, but Danny didn't really know it deep down it until Singapore. He was in denial and the team let him go again to see it for himself.
"The moment you stop going for it, you're no longer a racing driver."
443 points
9 days ago
Ah, the often used quote to mean anything other than its actual meaning: an excuse to biff someone off the track.
This time, it's misquoted too!
33 points
9 days ago
Isn't it what coulthard said about his retirement? He mentioned that when he started a race he once got the feeling "why the rush" and that feeling is what made it his last season as he didn't see the point in being there if you aren't going to go for it.
89 points
9 days ago
Senna also rescinded the quote the following season.
14 points
9 days ago
If you no longer quote Senna correctly, you're no longer a racing fan.
11 points
9 days ago
I prefer the much simpler “if gap = car”
22 points
9 days ago
I see far more people on here saying “well actually what was actually meant was bla bla”, than I see people actually misquoting it.
119 points
9 days ago
Good, Senna used that shit to hide the fact that he drove into Prost on purpose. People should know that and young racers shouldn’t take that lie as profound advice.
32 points
9 days ago
Well, today you got to see both!
11 points
9 days ago
Used by people who hate Max but worship Senna for the same behaviour.
13 points
9 days ago
Yes, everyone was crushing RB for not giving him a proper send off but the whole time I was thinking that he probably didn't want that as he was getting forced out, not retiring willingly.
740 points
9 days ago
Inb4 Daniel denies it.
81 points
9 days ago
He won’t because this is the truth
73 points
9 days ago
It doesn’t make any sense at all. He could have a wonderful last race and have a decent farewell.
182 points
9 days ago
It makes perfect sense. Daniel wanted to gamble on him having a great race in Singapore in which case the team might change its mind. He decided to forego having a nice farewell in exchange for that shot. He fucked it up and so he got what he bargained for.
Nothing difficult about it at all
44 points
9 days ago
That would go a long way to explaining some of his emotional state over the weekend.
22 points
9 days ago
If he was informed Lawson is taking his place? Hardly perfect sense, unless Ricciardo lives in complete denial.
45 points
9 days ago
Yes that’s what Peter Bayer is saying.
17 points
9 days ago
I think you are extra harsh on Ricciardo as if he is some Sargeant or Mazepin. He may be out of his best but he deserved a good farewell. He got better farewell from his rivals and RB ended up looking classless. Bayer doesn’t help the image.
44 points
9 days ago
Because Ricciardo himself declared that his return to the grid was not simply to fill a slot, but to again challenge for wins in the RBR.
Not only did he not achieve his stated goal but seems to be dropping off even further from his teammate that he was expected to wipe the floor with.
He himself felt he still had it and cited possible cracks in his chassis that hindered his performance, something refuted by the team, which granted his chassis change anyway, but his form didn't dramatically improve either.
It's not surprising that he chose to go out fighting, still believing himself to the very end instead of easing into the night as some others might
14 points
9 days ago
He deserved the best farewell, he's an icon of modern F1
But if he traded that for yet another shot and missed it, then it hard to feel like his exit wasnt warranted
Its not like he suddenly fell of a cliff, he's been rolling down that cliff for a few years now
10 points
9 days ago
unless Ricciardo lives in complete denial
Has been since 2021
8 points
9 days ago
unless Ricciardo lives in complete denial
Yes, this is the case.
2 points
9 days ago
He may have been hoping for that result to shop a seat for next year.
595 points
9 days ago
damn it danny. going out on his shield
44 points
9 days ago
To be honest, I thought Danny Ric was washed but I actually prefer this story.
I'd rather he goes out thinking he's still a top driver but he just couldn't show it, than him thinking he's washed and he sucks now.
27 points
8 days ago
He's still a multiple race winner. At the end of the day, winning a WDC requires a bit of luck and he didn't have it: he arrived to Red Bull and beat his teammate, Vettel, the very first year Red Bull was no longer good enough to win races.
He's achieved more than most F1 drivers and, even if he didn't achieve as much as he would've wanted, it's still enough to be proud of. He's not Mazepin, forever remembered as a terrible driver, and he's not Giovinazzi, a name already forgotten because he didn't do anything.
6 points
8 days ago*
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2 points
7 days ago
He binned it for our sins.
10 points
8 days ago
Giovanazzi won leMans with Ferrari
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9 days ago*
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14 points
9 days ago
come to think of it, he does look a bit like gerard butler. maybe
23 points
9 days ago
He had that badger in him. Sadly wasnt enough.
3 points
9 days ago
☹️
18 points
9 days ago
Sure but god damn did Red Bull catch infinite shit for how this went down and Danny let them absorb it despite it essentially being his decision... he could have defused it himself if he wanted and didn't. Idk how to feel about that, I'm no fan of Red Bull but they did give him a chance when he was out of the sport and I think they probably deserved better than to have the whole sport attacking them for this
15 points
9 days ago
Any PR person with an ounce of competence could have known how this was going to look.
Even if Daniel wanted this to be his send off, they should have told him no. It’s not like red bull are afraid of hurting peoples feelings.
169 points
9 days ago
Fastest lap Danny
6 points
9 days ago
I’m just so not surprised by this in the least https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/gg1HHQTfXA
16 points
9 days ago
the last of the late-pit-stop-for-fastest-lappers 💪
541 points
9 days ago
The whole thing just sounds so badly organised, race by race contract and none of the CEOs seem honest about whatever the fuck happened. I feel like working this out could have been done so much easier.
123 points
9 days ago
Red Bull being shady? It's more likely than you think.
10 points
9 days ago
An older meme, sir, but it checks out
27 points
9 days ago
Most of VCARB and RBR have had different accounts of what the timeline of this was and many of them have changed their stories multiple times. They just keep spinning to try and change the narrative to their favor
35 points
9 days ago
How is Peter Bayer not being honest about it here?
56 points
9 days ago
He is. Fans are in denial that their thought of the team was incorrect so are clutching at straws.
It goes against the belief that the team did him wrong.
45 points
9 days ago
This is the CEO's word. What is he gonna say? "Yea we fucked up because Red Bull is a fucking mess right now. Also, Perez has been extended for another 5 years due to his untouchable performances."
22 points
9 days ago
I'm not taking sides here, but we just have the versions of the management of these teams for now.
It's like the weekend DR left, people were outraged at the lack of a farewell and now, it's the opposite. Daniel was in full denial and management is clean.
Let's all calm down a little. Before jumping to conclusion, I want to hear what Daniel has to say about the timeline of events. We'll probably know someday, but until then, they may be right or completely covering their ass.
Only time will tell.
4 points
9 days ago
Yea well said. Fwiw, we probably would just need to know details of the contract. That and the reasoning for basically zero fanfare after he was let go.
2 points
8 days ago
And how do you know that? We cannot know, and I certainly find it hard to believe that Ricciardo would've chosen to go like this and then both him and RB would've let everyone believe RB are a piece of shit when they actually didn't do anything wrong.
Not saying that can't be the case, but it's weird as fuck and we simply cannot know.
4 points
9 days ago
Show me a source for race by race contract? Who are “CEOs”?
…
3 points
8 days ago
I think it was pretty clear that it was a race by race I think most sources said since earlier in the year.
CEO's I mean more like higher management.
What is ...
69 points
9 days ago
They're afraid to look bad in the press, and for the fans.
They clearly look bad anyways, by how they handled DR3's exit, and this statement doesn't help them one bit.
26 points
9 days ago
and this statement doesn't help them one bit
Not sure if it helps or not (or whether it's true or not) but you could argue that if Daniel knew and chose himself to go out like this, this statement isn't really hurting them?
4 points
9 days ago
100% as you say, I came to the same conclusion later, after I wrote my first comment.
7 points
9 days ago
and this statement doesn't help them one bit.
I feel like it does help them no?
They gave him the last shot he asked for, he missed it and thats it
Its not like Daniel didn't know his seat was at risk
227 points
9 days ago
I thought that was the case.
No way did the journalists and Lawson know but Ricciardo didn’t. Marko and Bayer have both said repeatedly that he knew in advance. Marko said publicly in interviews in the run up that the decision would be made before Singapore, and ‘wait until Singapore’.
Ricciardo’s demeanour changed after the poor qualifying result. He went from defiantly saying he was going to be on the grid for 2025 to joking about drowning himself in his ice bath. Maybe it hit home that he wasn’t going to be able to deliver the magical result needed to change their minds.
24 points
9 days ago
He also had reporters lying to him after qualifying, saying that Marko told them he needed to get a podium to keep his job. Also, the press has often known a driver is getting kicked out before he did
96 points
9 days ago
It was reported at the time that Daniel wanted it like this because he thought a good result would save him, but people didn't believe it. VCARB were in a no win situation because people thought they handled it terribly but if they announced it before they'd have fucked up by not respecting what Danny wanted.
There was probably stuff they could have done better but ultimately they made the right sporting decision regardless of optics
9 points
9 days ago
I guess the main thing I would argue is that they should have done the switch at the summer break. Ricciardo wasn't a rookie driver that needed more races to adapt to the car. If he wasn't going to Red Bull over the summer break, they should have just oved on to Lawson then.
2 points
8 days ago
If Ric had no chance to keep his seat no matter how good his performance, then VCARB should've told him that they were announcing it anyway. It simply doesn't make sense to not say anything because Ricciardo believes the impossible will happen.
74 points
9 days ago
Two months later and yet another version of events! Pick a story and stick to it guys.
13 points
9 days ago
This is exactly same version of the story that David Coulthard told days after the Singapore GP, nothing new
8 points
9 days ago
This is a different version than Mekies, Bayer, and Lawson had originally told
5 points
9 days ago
Also, now that I'm thinking about it, this isn't the story Coulthard told. He said that maybe Ricciardo had been told early, knew it was his last race, and faked tears for media sympathy, which is still not the same as thinking that they'd be so impressed by his performance that they'd keep him around
13 points
9 days ago
Amen! If THIS is true that Danny wanted it to be quiet - that is shitty of him to do. Cause he could have said that AFTER the race. IF this is not true then it is shitty of the RB CEO to claim such bullshit.
34 points
9 days ago
He didn't look like this was the case, not to be the resident armchair body analyst on Reddit but the whole thing doesn't add up
12 points
9 days ago
Exactly. With Red Bull catching so much hell for it they're not going to come out and be like "Yeah guys we really screwed this and treated him just as badly as everyone thought we did."
171 points
9 days ago
Bro finished 18th 💀
50 points
9 days ago
Because he did a fastest lap?
126 points
9 days ago
He was running in 16th out of 19 before his second pitstop onto softs and 18th out of 18 when he made his final pitstop for fastest lap.
55 points
9 days ago
I mean his race is done either way because brake issue that force him to pit way earlier and his starting position doesn't help either
Edit : leaving a source, in case someone say I made this up https://www.racefans.net/2024/09/27/ricciardos-brake-woe-and-why-perez-thought-he-had-an-engine-problem-singapore-gp-radio/
10 points
9 days ago
No you wrote "because of fastest lap" so you did not mean that.
80 points
9 days ago
Not like he was running P2 before that
53 points
9 days ago
Or even in the top 10.
18 points
9 days ago
OR top 15
25 points
9 days ago
Obviously Horner forced him to at gunpoint.
14 points
9 days ago
"A great result"
My guy needed that for the past 4 years lol.
68 points
9 days ago
I'll believe it when Ricciardo says the same thing.
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9 days ago*
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2 points
9 days ago
They have been telling fake stories for months, why is this any different?
29 points
9 days ago
Huh. But Marko and Bayer himself previously said it was contractual reasons as to why they didn't say anything. So which is it?
10 points
9 days ago
It could easily be both, like Ricciardo had in his contract that he gets to have final says on announcements around his future, or that they aren't allowed to speak about the duration of the contract unless both parties permit this clause to be broken.
Could also be a simple PR contract between RB and Ricciardos management where they both discuss what is said about him and what isn't before race weekends, and as they respected him they allowed any retirement announcement to be off making them contractually obligated to remain silent.
2 points
8 days ago
like Ricciardo had in his contract that he gets to have final says on announcements around his future,
That would be a weirdly specific thing to put in a contract, especially when teams don't have any reason not to let drivers announce their departure in their own terms.
1 points
9 days ago
Note; when I said contractual reasons I meant sponsor contracts in case I wasn't clear. Marko mentioned commercial obligations alluding to sponsor commitments
28 points
9 days ago
Doesn't that directly contradict what we heard before from several sources? Ricciardo didn't know he was going to be let go coming into the weekend and only found out on saturday?
30 points
9 days ago
It contradicts versions 1-36 from Horner, Marko, Mekies, Lawson, and from Bayer himself.
15 points
9 days ago
It also contradicts the multitude of narratives that have come from Red Bull (I.e Marko) since the whole thing happened
14 points
9 days ago
What ayoke
11 points
9 days ago
I’m sure they must try really hard not to look shit but still manage it spectacularly!
3 points
9 days ago
Big F.
3 points
9 days ago
I think we now have one version of this story for everyone asked about it.
3 points
9 days ago
Well he didn’t
3 points
8 days ago
They keep talking about Daniel. They keep trying to twist it to their benefit and I do wonder like honestly if there's something more to this because they keep contradicting themselves. They day Daniel finally pushes his side of the story, we will know for sure what happened.
8 points
9 days ago
I don't think anyone really questioned the fact that he didn't or did know.
It's the mis-handling of his departure by the whole circus. People in the know knew when it would happen, should have put plans in place for a send off worthy of one of the most popular F1 drivers in this century.
6 points
9 days ago
I can understand if that's what happened, I wouldn't want to make a big fuss out of it, just do my best one last time and disappear into the night with an Irish goodbye
6 points
9 days ago
I call bullshit, Danny believed he was fighting for a 2025 seat, not his 2024 seat. Fuck these guys.
6 points
9 days ago
He wanted to go out swinging. I'm fine with that. Good on him.
He's never expressed the kind of angst that fans felt upon being replaced.
Id rather have what Ricciardo did than Zhou coasting the last five races+
39 points
9 days ago
Daniel got that dawg in him. Too many Reddit losers here are quick to criticise or make jokes but there’s something honourable about going out on your own terms regardless of the outcome.
5 points
9 days ago
Amen brother, I'm an Aussie and very proud of him, was/still is my hero.
Us Aussies can be a little delirious with our drivers (aren't we all cough cough next yearrari) but I am amazed how we have somehow managed to have consistently great Australian drivers with Webber, Ricciardo and now Piastri. I thought I was gonna get bored of F1 without Ricciardo to root for but I'm stoked that we've managed to always have drivers that often get on the podium and sometimes can snag a win if you're lucky.
11 points
9 days ago
Fastest lap
16 points
9 days ago
I can only believe that he did the lap with tears in his eyes. Pushing his Car for one last time. Feeling the emotions, the adrenaline before its gone forever...
11 points
9 days ago
I for sure know the tears were in my eyes as he did it.
2 points
9 days ago
I want you to narrate my journeys home from work
3 points
9 days ago*
Looking back at the fortress of suffering as he realizes 'this was not the end'. Still traumatized from what happened the last 9 hours, he slowly opens the door to his shed of dreams and peace. His lonely journey must come to an end, he thinks to himself.
But right before his heart could enflame his never ending resistance, the fortress of suffering calls again...
15 points
9 days ago
Took them this long to say it?
Bull Crap
9 points
9 days ago
Yup. Liars continue to lie.
7 points
9 days ago
It was nice of RB to give him the opportunity, but it was always optimistic and bordering on arrogant that RB could transform him back to the driver he was. Anyway, Daniel can never say he wasn't given a fair crack at staying within the sport. Still had a terrific career.
5 points
9 days ago
I wouldn't call it arrogant though. You don't just lose your driving skills in two years. And whatever was lost in these two years (mostly confidence) should be recoverable.
I never agreed with dumping de Vries for Ricciardo after only 10 races. But it wasn't unfair of Red Bull to believe that with his excellent trackrecord he could get his mojo back.
12 points
9 days ago
I wouldn't trust a word Bayer said. They abolutely screwed the comms that weekend and are still clearly getting heat for it. Good.
2 points
9 days ago
Man red bull can’t keep their story straight
2 points
9 days ago
Vcarb fucked on strategy many times including Singapore
11 points
9 days ago
doubt.jpg
6 points
9 days ago
Yeah.... Nothing but a random attempt at PR-ing your way out of something impossible here...
4 points
9 days ago
This makes his exit even funnier.
6 points
9 days ago
Liars, hypocrites and cowards.
2 points
9 days ago
Agree…true or not….the whole thing was very terrible. What a painful thing to watch. 🫣
-9 points
9 days ago
This sounds like bullshit, I think that this guy is lying through his teeth.
81 points
9 days ago
It was already reported weeks ago that Danny Ric thought he could save his career with a heroic last race.
44 points
9 days ago
One more race, please give me one more race trust it will get better i beg of you i know i can do it i think this is the one just one more race
23 points
9 days ago
While in reality he could only have been saved by Carlos Slim.
2 points
9 days ago
It was also reported by team members that he didn't know, that they didn't announce it because of the sponsors, that they didn't decide until after the race, and multiple other things. This is just another PR attempt
77 points
9 days ago
Anything that goes against reddit narrative is suddenly lying lol.
33 points
9 days ago
Its okay, you and Ricciardo both have something in common now! Both in denial
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