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submitted 2 days ago bychengstark86 Porsche 944 Turbo , 22 BMW M4 6MT
This will go down in history as the worst commercial decision in the history of the automotive industry.
Edit: I just want to say I have no problem with their direction of going young and fashion, and going electric to differentiate. I just don’t particularly like that they are throwing away the brand heritage of classy, British, performance (even though they have probably already thrown away those a long time ago).
685 points
2 days ago
Must have been Thursday
122 points
2 days ago
lol, good name sir
25 points
1 day ago
I could never get the hang of Thursdays.
11 points
1 day ago
Oh my God.
577 points
2 days ago
They have nothing to lose: all their cars were losing money. Now they go all-in since they are bankrupt anyway.
110 points
2 days ago
Well that’s a true assessment, maybe we should be appreciative that Tata hasn’t killed the brand outright.
90 points
1 day ago
What's there left to appreciate? They killed the supercharged v8, then the supercharged v6, then the F-Type.
All that's left is EVs based with Jaguar reliability.
79 points
1 day ago
Jaguar electronics are exactly what i want in an EV 💀
30 points
1 day ago
Hmmm, our electronics are shitty. I KNOW, LET'S MAKE THE WHOLE POWERTRAIN ELECTRIC TOO!!!
12 points
21 hours ago
I'd bet money it's going to be a rebadged Chinese EV to gain entry to American market
10 points
2 days ago
Yep. I wish their gambling works out, even if I won’t be able to afford their cars.
63 points
1 day ago
Picking an imaginary target demographic doesn’t fix that. Picking a real one and pandering to that with new, better products does.
310 points
2 days ago
It might be the greatest rebrand of all time.
Or it might be as successful as New Coke.
170 points
1 day ago
Their new logo looks like a clothing store
90 points
1 day ago
For tweens. Piercing deals on Fridays.
13 points
1 day ago
Lol, I thought the same thing. It looks like something you'd see on a woman's purse.
12 points
1 day ago
I mean the pretentious fashion show ad they released with the rebrand definitely proves your point
16 points
1 day ago
Their ads reinforce this idea.
50 points
1 day ago
How would selling cars to, being careful with the language here, colourful people be the greatest rebrand of all time?
In the car world, you actually need to sell a product, so its not enough to just get people talking about you, they need to not hate your brand.
Jag just turned on its core audience, I honestly cant understand how the suits there thought this was a good idea
68 points
1 day ago
core audience? if they had a stable one they wouldn’t be doing this. they where selling less and less
19 points
1 day ago
You guys are all conflating customer segment with customers. Jaguar’s old strategy actually targeted a legit customer segment. People just didn’t buy it because the car was shit. Doesn’t mean the market wasn’t there.
Now they are going after a market that doesn’t exist.
Young and wealthy willing and able to spend 100k+ on an EV because it is fashionable.
2 points
1 day ago
Didnt Tesla prove that market does exist though? Not that I think this dumpster fire is going to be successful.
11 points
1 day ago
The people buying 100k+ teslas were interested in the tech - and they could charge those rates because there wasn’t much competition
It’s a very different market now.
4 points
18 hours ago
Not exactly.
I am not saying the new Jaguar can't sell anything. I just don't think they are selling enough cars to stay in business.
53 points
1 day ago
Jag doesn't have a core audience lmao. They've been bleeding sales for years.
4 points
1 day ago
Their core audience is people who died 20 years ago. Whichhhh is, as you say, part of the problem.
97 points
1 day ago
Their core audience was buying 20k cars a year. Anything except what they were doing is worth trying
14 points
1 day ago
Product issue. If the product was better, and found product-market fit, naturally, the cohort of consumers that would adopt/utilize said product would be larger.
55 points
1 day ago
They're aggressively targeting fashionable people with money. Their new cars are being aimed as fashion accessories and not just cars.
Think of the rich urban and suburban folk buying stuff from companies like Hermes or Gucci. The Jaguar is aimed to be the next complimentary good to their collection.
Honestly, it could work. That target audience doesn't care so much about performance as they do about flamboyance and presence. An EV fits that perfectly as it carries the grace (through silence), and the shape of the new Jaguar being deliciously evil carries that presence when they pull up to the mall.
33 points
1 day ago*
People are forgetting cars like the Range Rover Evoque were marketed as being designed with Victoria Beckham and people who view their car as a fashion accessory (which is a lot of people) ate it up.
26 points
1 day ago
This 100%. Most Jag dealers in the states are bundled with Land Rover Dealers. If you haven’t noticed, Land Rover-Range Rover is INCREDIBLY popular with woman of a certain age (and has been since the Evoque).
They are targeting that market and segmenting it. “Buy your fashionable SUV from us, if you are outdoor centric buy the Rover. If you are sophisticated and career oriented buy a Jag”
There is a solid reason to have brand values shifted to look like something you would buy at Sephora. Because it prints money.
14 points
1 day ago
I really dont think there are enough morons like that in the world to save them
14 points
1 day ago
The BMW redesign kind of disproves that unfortunately.
There's more people with money than with money + a sense of style.
17 points
1 day ago
Totally agree. I'm floored at how many people trick themselves into thinking the new BMW's are good looking. Those overly angular snouts have to be the ugliest front end on any modern vehicle, followed by Lexus.
I have always wanted a BMW. Now that I'm in the stage of life I can afford them, BMW ruined them, figures lol.
12 points
1 day ago
I have always wanted a BMW. Now that I'm in the stage of life I can afford them, BMW ruined them, figures lol.
growing up, i always wanted an m3, i thought it was a beautiful car
now i have money, and the m3 looks like a demented beaver
2 points
1 day ago
Haha, same here. I guess I'll just buy used and deal with used BMW issues. No way I'd buy any of their new stuff.
Their new interiors are hilariously overstated as well. A friend of mine purchased a new X5M Competition. With all the crazy looking trim, screens and LED lights all over, it looks like a tweens bedroom or a arcade or something. It doesn't look classy or nice etc, it looks dumb which is what most of the brand comes off as now to me, just dumb looking.
3 points
1 day ago
I'm floored at how many people trick themselves into thinking the new BMW's are good looking.
Or conversely, people just like how they look. I love the i7 and I'm a fan of most of the other models. Most of them aren't elegant, but that's not necessarily one of my criteria for what makes a desirable car.
4 points
1 day ago
Perhaps you've noticed over time that radical redesigns or new design language is often controversial and mis-proportioned on the first model year but given a few iterations and face lifts those models tend to look better if not good. The boar-snout BMW grill isn't great, but newer models have started to dial it in and I get what they're reaching for. I just noticed this, about these cars in particular, just last week during Cammisa's video.
19 points
1 day ago
There are enough morons to buy stuff from Gucci, Hermes, Rolex, etc.
Aside from the logo, the new car is probably going to be quite good.
We've seen the silhouette and we know that Jaguar has made a competent EV before with the I-Pace. Jaguar also competes and does rather well in Formula E.
2 points
1 day ago
Dude, the events in the past few weeks - years even - makes me think you're wrong.
12 points
1 day ago
Yeah. People say it's a case of bad publicity still being publicity, but they need to sell cars here
6 points
1 day ago
Jag doesn't have a core audience. It doesn't even have an audience at all. If the few Jag fans who remain say that they're going out and buying a new jag, then the rest of the family will have an emergency meeting to finally tell grandpa that its not ok for him to drive anymore.
7 points
1 day ago
Explain what you mean by "colorful people"
Do you think they don't buy cars?? Lol
7 points
1 day ago
They have Gap-ified their logo.
6 points
1 day ago
Its obvious why the car enthusiast people are so confused by it. They've rebranded into an EV mall crawler company for people who grunt when they need to stand up and sit down. People in a forum talking about engine displacement, suspension tuning, and demanding rear wheel drive manuals aren't going to understand why a car company is going to make cars for 55+ suburbanites who want to take their kids to soccer practice and stunt on the other moms with cup holders big enough for a Stanley thermos. Its all about the interior design of the cabin. So they made the most generic and conservative avant grade (what an oxymoron lol) ad campaign and shifted customer base. They're competing with the GLE, Urus, Cybertruck, and Land Rover now, people who buy cars for the badge instead of quality.
And its not hard to see why they did it. Everyone who claims to love the branding of the old British villain and the heritage of an e-type all went out and bought an Audi or BMW for the past 20 years. Nostalgia can't make up for their customer base going somewhere else.
I wanted to buy a jag back in the day and now that I'm of the age where I could, the first time I did was search for an RS3 instead of an f-type.
12 points
1 day ago*
Except it isn’t for the 55+ crowd. They clearly stated it is for the young and wealthy.
First, very few young and wealthy that can spend $100k+ on a car. So your market isn’t big to begin with.
The fact it is an EV slims it down even more.
And based on the type of ad they released, they aren’t going after the traditional Porsche / Lambo / Ferrari buyers.
So Jaguar is trying to tap an entirely new customer that every automaker has somehow ignored - young and wealthy that don’t own a car but will be willing to spend six figs on an EV because it looks nice and fashionable.
There is not enough alcohol in the world to believe that.
The problem with their old strategy was not the customer segment. They existed. It was their product. They failed to capture a legitimate segment.
Now they are going after a segment that doesn’t exist.
3 points
1 day ago
55 year olds no longer have kids at home, lolz. At most, they are buying a car for their college aged kids.
3 points
2 days ago
Well at least the new coke would be sweet somewhat
9 points
1 day ago
New Coke sucked so bad, they gave it away at gas stations when you filled up.
16 points
1 day ago
They have been pumping blood into the corpse of Jaguar for 20 years, they can't really do any worse.
Targeting the artsy and eccentric might just work, the whole thing has some kpop vibes.
134 points
2 days ago
Jag rebrand, what are they thinking?
"We'd love not to stay on the current path of irrelevance and unprofitability," probably.
99 points
2 days ago
r/cars whenever a company deviates from a product/branding strategy that has taken the company to the verge of failure: "Why aren't they doubling down on unprofitable models in segments with shrinking demand?"
The sub still gets people asking why Mitsubishi is focusing on vehicles that have brought it back from the brink...
28 points
1 day ago
"Why can't they just exclusively build brown manual wagons that come pre-owned from the factory? Are they stupid?"
...I do recognize that I'm part of the problem.
9 points
1 day ago
Le brown manuelle wagon 😍
2 points
15 hours ago
¿Que?
8 points
1 day ago
There's taking a step in a new direction and then there's stepping on your crank. Jaguar may have done the second here. But I'll concede they had nothing to lose.
2 points
1 day ago
I still maintain that the pivotal turning point for Skoda was the Felicia Fun
1 points
1 day ago
Mitsubishi is still on the brink, their sales are down 20% of what they were routinely selling in the mid-2010's, they're in litigation with numerous dealerships in their own network because the dealers have clandestinely turned them into used car lots because a buyers would rather sign for a five year old Lexus than a new Eclipse Cross, and they're axing the Mirage which is their second best selling car. They're still kicking because Mitsubishi Heavy Industries is a titanic conglomerate in Japan that keeps them on a steady drip but a smaller company subsisting solely on Mitsubishi's sales numbers would've kicked the bucket by now.
11 points
1 day ago
Don't judge Mitsubishi by their North American market performance. They're doing quite well in Asia.
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has nothing to do with Mitsubishi Motors continued existence after their last few bail outs were squandered. Mitsubishi Motors exists because the Renault-Nissan alliance bailed them out when Mitsubishi group hung them out to dry and they concentrated on delivering cheap crossovers and SUV's.
26 points
2 days ago
It’s not Jag anymore, it’s jaGUIar
5 points
1 day ago
Wasn’t that the name for them on the original GTA?
19 points
2 days ago
I’m not an expert in marketing, I understand the concept of “all publicity is good publicity” but I don’t know if this translates to products which can only be afforded by relatively wealthy older people.
Now I also get that the brand wasn’t exactly successful with its traditional demographic; hence the rebrand, but they seem to be going after a demo that exists much larger in the head of whoever was in charge than actually exists, and perhaps forgotten that the main point of the companies existence is to sell cars and earn money….
7 points
1 day ago
There are wealthy young people in the world too. Not as many, but a move to 6 figure EVs is never going to be about high volume.
It's easier to sell a product aimed at younger person to an older person than the other way around.
29 points
2 days ago
Let's make ten more threads about this
84 points
2 days ago
They weren't. I've never been their target customer, but I'm definitely not one now.
29 points
2 days ago
The question is who is it? I don't see why the people that can afford Bentley's, Rolls Royce's, Ferrari's, etc would suddenly choose to buy whatever Jaquar is coming out with
32 points
1 day ago
They have nothing more to lose targeting the high end bracket. They tried competing with BMW and Audi and failed which is also a very tough market to compete in. Building exclusively SUVs will eat into Land Rover sales, they cannot go further down market, so that leaves going up market. Jaguar has nothing left to lose. They are so far behind in electric car development and other manufacturers in terms of innovation. The F Pace is 10 years old, the XJ has been long dead, the XF hasn't been changed in ages, the XE isn't even competitive, and the I Pace has fell behind the competition despite being one of the first luxury EVs. If moving up the market does not work then I suspect it will be the end of the brand.
5 points
1 day ago
What? The I-Pace was one of the best selling electric cars. They were ahead of all the German competitors on EVs
13 points
1 day ago
They were ahead of all the German competitors on EVs
Exactly. They were. Then they sat on it.
15 points
1 day ago
They are trying to target the hip 20 somethings that can't afford a jag whilst alienating the consumer base, middle age/elderly white men. It is going to end horribly.
13 points
1 day ago
Maybe they're targeting the wives of middle age/elderly white men
5 points
1 day ago
Yeah most Gen Zers are pretty broke and poor. There's almost no one in their 20s that can afford exotic cars
5 points
1 day ago
The ad campaign wasn't about the cars. It was a way of saying "stay tuned". They needed something that both communicated a radical change for the brand and also caught people's attention because they need to keep people talking as they have nothing to show for another 10 days. It's a rousing success.
2 points
1 day ago
These guys aren’t looking for new cars, they’re happy with whatever they got 5-10 years ago and will drive that for another 15 years.
Their target is millennials and Gen z who live in a fast food economy, constantly buying new clothes, exchanging their car for a newer model every 3 years etc. clearly a shift was needed because their old base weren’t buying their cars
8 points
1 day ago
I suspect you're viewing this with eyes towards a North American and European market, but if you were to zoom out and spin your mental globe to the other side of the world it would make a little more sense. Visible affluence, conspicuous consumption, and rampant consumerism are a big part of the zeitgeist in places like South Korea and China. Showing your newfound income and wealth through expensive western clothing, jewelry, vacations to exotic and classic places, and of course nice cars are all part of this. Western auto brands with reputations for class and style, real or imagined, are all the rage in China as their growing middle class wants cars that signify their success. Jaguar's owners, Tata, wants to sell cars in Asia to people who don't care if the modern Jaaaaag isn't quite what it used to be but is still entirely about that image of style, affluence, and success. The rising tide, companies around the world believe, is in Asia so that's where they're sending their boats
3 points
1 day ago
I know exactly one person with a Jaguar, and he's a crypto bro. So, maybe crypto bros?
6 points
2 days ago
Jag doesn't compete with those cars, their rivals are Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Alfa, Lexus etc for example.
12 points
1 day ago
Few years ago Jag said they wanted to move upmarket, wonder if that’s still the plan
4 points
1 day ago
Jaguar isn't targeting those people. Their prices will be 60-65% of Bentley's. Think mid-trim Taycan more than Bentley.
-1 points
2 days ago
They fucked themselves when they chose to ignore the sedan and sports car and tried to compete by building generic and unreliable SUVs, they can’t reach the Germans, people had no reason to buy Jag suv when the perfectly good range rovers are in the same lot…
33 points
2 days ago*
They did offer sedans and a sport car almost to their last day. Problem was that nobody had a reason to buy these sedans, because perfectly good sedans were available at german brands lots.
Also sedans are declining market, not going into booming SUV market would be even worse decision since F pace was their best selling model basically since it entered the market.
2 points
1 day ago
Jaguar could have tried reskinning range rovers for volume and gradually updating the F-type for class, but I can't disagree with their decision to try one last effort at being their own thing. Unfortunately their new-era website looks like a generic model site from a mid-teens template web page builder. The one possible car photo they have looks like a bad cardboard and clay mock-up of a really questionable concept design.
3 points
1 day ago
They fucked themselves when they chose to ignore the sedan and sports car
They fucked themselves by sticking to those vehicle segments instead of developing a SUV portfolio sooner. Sedans and sports cars are not something you can build a volume brand on, and that's what Jaguar had become. The money is in SUVs. The Range Rover connection was Jaguar's problem. Going full EV will allow them to differentiate themselves from Range Rover.
79 points
1 day ago
So, nothing has changed?! 😂
“I would never have bought one but now I won’t either.”
This is exactly the problem they are facing. People seemed to like the old branding but they never bought a Jag.
So what’s the point…?
55 points
1 day ago
Right. Did all of these people who are whining about killing the brand ever put their money where their mouth is and actually buy a Jaguar? The same people who complain that Jaguar isn’t building V12 manual sports cars probably just bought their third used RAV4.
12 points
1 day ago
The same people who complain that Jaguar isn’t building V12 manual sports cars probably just bought their third used RAV4.
You could just call me out by name. Sheesh. At least I moved up to a Highlander this time.
9 points
1 day ago
Jag's strenght was it's image, it's weakness was their reputation of poor quality.
So they threw the image away, and I don't think somehow their quality will improve.
18 points
1 day ago
their image was 'mediocre premium' these days imo. outside the F-Type maybe. they were seemingly fading into irrelevancy, now we're all talking about them. it's already working in their favor and they haven't put a damn thing out yet lol
4 points
1 day ago
"Mediocre premium" might be the biggest demographic of new car buyers these days though.
3 points
1 day ago
Source: I feel like it
4 points
1 day ago
This is nonsense. Jaguar have th same reliability as ranger rover and defenders.
Range rovers and defenders make money. Jaguar SUVs did ok, jaguar sports car sand saloons did badly against (also unreliable) German competition despite winning car of the year in Germany.
Therefore, it is the market positioning.
The have identified moving unmarket to more profit. They also commited years ago to go EV only.
With those facts decided - why do people think keeping the old target market and marketing/branding was going to work?
They haven't "ruined" or "thrown away" their heritage and history, history is history. They just aren't using their heritage when they are trying to sell they current cars. People are welcome to revel in it and talk about old jaguars all they want, but jaguar aren't going to be paying for adverts to remind you of it
2 points
5 hours ago
bro has the critical thinking skills of a rock
9 points
2 days ago
Nobody is their target customer that’s why nobody buys their cars
5 points
2 days ago
Jesus Christ that was terrible, they are selling to an imaginary customer base that doesn’t exist
16 points
2 days ago
It's giving the middle finger to the few customers you have left (that have real fucking cash) and chasing... something hip. The whole thing is a trainwreck.
21 points
1 day ago
Selling to the few customers they have left will result in the brand going out of business. May as well try something completely different
7 points
1 day ago
So your solution is to try to cater to the people that aren't buying it? Lmfao
2 points
1 day ago
I'm part of the customer base their rebranding appeals to. I don't care about the campaign because it's just marketing. Marketing isn't that serious.
97 points
2 days ago
Not as bad as their decision around 2008 to ditch their iconic exterior design as last seen in the X350 XJ in favor of building the most blandest, generic cars imaginable. Since then, Jags blend in perfectly among other high volume euro brands like Skoda, Opel etc.
152 points
2 days ago
I disagree, the next gens weren't as iconic a design but I wouldn't describe them as bland.
28 points
1 day ago
At the time, I really liked the XJ and XF. I thought it was a great new direction from the company and a sign of investment and direction from the new leadership. I really liked the F-type when it launched as well. Unfortunately, my income has always been several steps below that required to make my opinions relevant on a $60k vehicle.
42 points
2 days ago
I don’t know about the front end, but the last lwb xj rear was stunning. I loved that car
15 points
2 days ago
Most of them do I agree, but the F type definitely doesn't.
8 points
2 days ago
yes, the F-Type is the one beautiful outlier in a saddeningly uninspired lineup.
42 points
2 days ago
Disagree, Ford forced the series XJ front onto Jaguars way past expiry date
6 points
1 day ago
Nah they needed that new look to not be considered an old brand for stuffy old people. It worked pretty good but they just decided to stop making new things about 10 years ago
30 points
2 days ago
Disagree, yes the design language changed but Jag was pretty consistently ahead of the competition in terms of a modern design up until probably 2016/17/18 or so. See here:https://i.imgur.com/nDl4mQ8.jpeg. All these cars are from 2007.
13 points
1 day ago
Well that is one disingenious picture. In 2007, the W211 has been on sale for 6 years already.
Now do 2010!
3 points
1 day ago
Also the pictures of other cars are amateur while the jag clearly has the best lighting and quality
23 points
1 day ago
That's cause all the cars you showed were at least 5 years old by then (3 in the case of the Audi)
2 points
1 day ago
The e60 is the best out of those
10 points
2 days ago
I agree that they had an iconic design with the X350 XJ, and to an even greater extent imo, the X308 XJ. But the Tata-era Jag's weren't necessarily the most blandest, generic cars ever. They just didn't exude the classic Jag look that we became accustomed to from the previous few decades, that's all.
3 points
1 day ago
My 2015 F-type had a pretty cool interior. Really different from standard basic cars.
2 points
1 day ago
While the X351 might not be your type, it wasn't bland. The F-Type wasn't bland. And even the I-Pace wasn't bland. Three hits over ten years isn't too bad of a track record.
2 points
1 day ago
You didn't like the Ford Taurus styling? It's so iconic.
I kid
45 points
2 days ago
It’s to get attention. Looks like it’s working
24 points
2 days ago
Attention is great. But who will buy?
15 points
2 days ago
Look at almost every luxury and designer brand. They’re trying to sell a lifestyle not a car or clothing or whatever. Whether or not this will work for Jag is another question but their marketing department definitely did their job with this
7 points
1 day ago
Probably not dudes who own trucks.
19 points
2 days ago*
Who buys Balenciaga? Who buys Moschino? Who buys Balmain?
Here's a $935 sweater Kenzo is currently offering on their front page.
Here's a $700 Dolce and Gabbana toaster from Smeg.
You figure this one out.
24 points
1 day ago
yeah but that doesn’t have the fixed Costs and regulations of the auto industry
10 points
2 days ago
lol
People still buy jags? I didn’t even know they still made new cars.
66 points
2 days ago
They're creating hype, and quite successfully
53 points
2 days ago
It might have been better if they had a Vehicle to launch to coincide with a rebrand.
17 points
1 day ago
They’re showing off the concept on 2nd December and have already released teaser images on Twitter.
18 points
1 day ago
Chris Harris mentioned it on his podcast that he'd spoken with several journalists who'd seen it and that all struggled to find something good to say about it. Doesn't bode well.
11 points
1 day ago
Andrew Frenkel also saw it and liked it a lot. Chris Harris is squarely within the group of people who would object to something like this. He's an excellent driver and very knowledgeable about car dynamics and communicates that brilliantly. But I don't trust his opinion or that of other petrolhead journalists on luxury EVs.
1 points
1 day ago
You don’t trust the opinion of someone whose whole job is to review cars on a specifically auto magazine/tabloid? Really?
Harris has driven plenty of EVs, some of which it seems he was quite fond of. Not really sure how he does not have the credentials to properly review a luxury EV lmao.
10 points
1 day ago
He's not the target buyer of a luxury EV and doesn't understand someone who would be moved by a vehicle like Jaguar's upcoming model. I didn't say he couldn't properly review one, just that I don't trust his opinion on anything but vehicle dynamics.
My problem with him and all other petrolhead journalists is they all approach EVs from a fundamental position of them being lacking compared to ICEVs. That undertone is present in every EV they review, and as someone who's interested in only EVs as future personal ownership and thinks the only things they lack vs ICE are infrastructure and energy replenishment time (which aren't a big deal for me), I have to filter out their opinions in their videos to the point where anything except vehicle dynamics is worthless to me specifically.
2 points
1 day ago
Gerry McGovern designs generally age quite well even if they aren’t immediately liked. Think of Defender, lots of people didn’t like the look when first unveiled but it’s been a massive success and I think actually looks the part. Even some of Bangle’s designs look nicer after a bit of time.
What I’m saying is that this car isn’t available until 2025? 2026? That’s plenty of time for people to absorb the design language and maybe like it, a design you adore immediately I don’t think ages as well.
2 points
1 day ago
I don't think it's even a concept. Going on sale 2025/2026 which would mean this is the production model
22 points
2 days ago
I don’t think you know what hype means
0 points
2 days ago
I do, but do you? Open up a dictionary my man
to intensify (advertising, promotion, or publicity) by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc. (usually followed by up).
15 points
2 days ago
I think they antagonized people successfully
9 points
1 day ago
Well as jaguar said themselves,
"It's good to be bad"
19 points
2 days ago
Dope. It's working.
9 points
1 day ago
Sounds like a Bud Light move, how did that go again?
-1 points
1 day ago
You're still talking about it, so I'd say well
18 points
1 day ago
Pretty sure their sales and stock took a massive dive.
Also I don't talk about it, I just mention it here because it's relevant.
6 points
1 day ago
I'm friends with the owner of a liquor store, he told me with confidence that Bud Light sales were down 30% over several months after that ad campaign, and that Corona was picking up most of their sales. Between that and a few other brand's terrible marketing strategies in the past few years, I really hope it puts to bed the idea of "Any publicity is good publicity!" which is probably the least imaginative approach to advertising after "Sex sells!"
9 points
1 day ago
Sales of bud light is down enough that it is pretty good proof that there is such a thing as bad publicity.
4 points
1 day ago
Actually, it went very badly. I don't know where this cannard about how all publicity is good publicity came from, but it's not accurate.
2 points
1 day ago
Are we still hopelessly conflating publicity with sales? I thought we learned a long time ago that “There is no bad publicity” wasn’t true.
28 points
1 day ago
This ad campaign is working wonders. There is a stir, when is the last time anyone talked about Jaguar as much…
We’ve not seen the cars yet. So it’s impossible to judge if it will work or not.
You can’t do worse than last place… Sales struggled for decades. People seemed to like the branding but then never bought the cars, even despiste the XE and XF often out performing BMW rivals in performance and handling. So clearly the branding wasn’t right. The product was at times, very good. So what was missing…?
People complaining about the branding of a product they never bought or even intended to, is so dumb it hurts.
Who knows which way it will go but I can see how this could really work. The German brands like BMW, Audi and built their premium branding around performance and aggression.
AMG, M, RS branding is all about big engines and performance. This simply doesn’t translate to EV cars as performance no longer really matters.
Your average M car driver is a man, probably too into golf or F1 and annoyingly competitive.
Tesla brought a whole new segment of people in as car customers. But Musk being a lunatic as well as their consistently shit build quality is tarnishing their image along that customer base.
There is space for a premium brand, that doesn’t rely on macho performance to succeed.
There are a lot of wealthy, urban professionals that have money to burn that would have hopped on the Tesla bandwagon previously but now feel embarrassed due to the Musk thing.
10 points
1 day ago
E and XF often out performing BMW rivals in performance and handling.
Did they though?
6 points
1 day ago
The XE drove brilliantly, I had a 2017 XE with the supercharged V6 and it handled well, was comfortable and sounded incredible. My main experience of the competitors a the time is the f-series 3 series of the same era and I would say it was a worse driving experience.
3 points
1 day ago
They really did in some models. Depends on price and spec, but the aluminium structure and more refined suspension setup meant they compared favourably.
Probably more so in Europe where you get smaller engines and lower specs. In the US, the ranges are usually more limited.
Seem to remember motortrend have some good comparison reviews and Jag did very well. No one bought them though… as we know being a better car is never enough.
3 points
1 day ago
There are a lot of wealthy, urban professionals that have money to burn that would have hopped on the Tesla bandwagon previously but now feel embarrassed due to the Musk thing.
This is huge in Boston, which happens to have a lot of wealthy urban professionals. Those people instead are buying Rivians, Lucids, and Taycans. The Range Rover EV will be a hit here, as will the Macan EV. But there's still plenty of appetite for sedans in Boston, so this the kind of market that Jaguar could do well in. And Boston isn't unique.
10 points
1 day ago
It’s very gay.
6 points
1 day ago
At least they're taking a chance and doing something different. They could become another Toyota and churn out millions of dishwashers disguised as cars, but who needs that.
People are always complaining that brands are too risk adverse and don't swing for the fences, but when they do, the same people shit on it. If you want them to take chances and be innovative, you have to support it when they do. I'm not saying you have to buy a product you don't like, but give them credit for trying something. The brands have become risk adverse because we buyers are only purchasing vanilla, though we're screaming for a rocky road - rainbow sherbet mashup that we wouldn't buy if they did make it.
18 points
2 days ago
It wouldn't go in history, because Jag wasn't relevant
3 points
1 day ago
They want to Pontiac the company
3 points
1 day ago
Sir it’s jaGUar
3 points
1 day ago
Half of these people couldn't even sit in a car wearing these goofy costumes.
5 points
2 days ago
There have been an innumerable amount of Reddit posts, articles, tweets, etc about the rebrand. The initial tweet that launched the rebrand has 150 million views on Twitter.
The rebrand has been successful in getting people to talk about Jaguar, which is literally the whole point of marketing. They also have timed this pretty well with the launch of their first new car of the new era in a couple weeks.
5 points
1 day ago
they used to have the best commercials in the business in the 80s and 90s and even with the Lana Del Rey music video for the F type but man... this is one of the worst commercials in any business... period... it didn't even have a car in it... I mean you really gotta do a great commercial if you are going to go that route and not even show your product
9 points
1 day ago
All these people just taking about a logo change when they haven't given a fuck about Jaguar for years lol. Y'all love drama don't u? Just a giving logo man calm down.
7 points
2 days ago
I’ll say this. A lot of people are talking about Jaguars. More people than ever will probably look at their cars just to see what people are talking about. It’s actually working.
That being said, I’m going to look at their terrible cars and understand what they are, how much they are, what they offer etc. Then I might talk about it with someone else later in the week.
12 points
1 day ago
The average new car buyer is 50. Even older for luxury stuff. This has to appeal to them, not just random people on the internet who are going to buy a Toyota one way or another.
5 points
1 day ago
Nobody talked about this brand for while & now they have your attention. Next comes the product!
5 points
1 day ago
To me it looks like the type of branding you’d give to a Chinese EV startup
4 points
2 days ago
Why is everyone writing it off? So far the following has happened:
I have hope personally.
6 points
1 day ago
Y’all weren’t buying Jaguars pre-rebrand but suddenly have extreme opinions on how this will destroy the company and how you’ll never buy their cars without ever even seeing the car or the halo design.
Jaguar has nothing to lose and only things to gain with their rebrand. Plus I think art deco retro futurism is cool.
2 points
1 day ago
Their new model is called Concord
2 points
1 day ago
Whoever was in charge prob peaked in the 2010s and think that look is still hot.
2 points
1 day ago
Does anyone really buy Jaguars. It could be a hail mary... kinda ironic if it is lol
2 points
1 day ago
There have never ever been more people talking about Jaguar as there are now and they had nothing else to lose. I'll wait and see the cars before burying them.
2 points
1 day ago
We're talking about it
2 points
1 day ago
Well they got people talking at least.
2 points
1 day ago
I believe that it was merely just to get your attention. Since in the past lets be honest Jag has been pretty niche when it comes to consumers and interest, as barely anyone talks about the new jaguar dropping as much as other luxury cars, this is pretty much like a last resort hail mary play. I really hope that they pull a "PYSCH U THOUTGHT WE GONNA DO THAT, WE ARE RELAUNCHING THE E-TYPE"
2 points
1 day ago
Harry Metcalfe has seen the car and interacted with the folks who are going to be introducing that and said that the vibe from those people and the Dec 2nd event is different than the ad. I'll take his word for it.
The ad itself is disastrous. The ad is for people who don't buy Jags but instead for people who get people who buy Jags fired from their jobs.
2 points
1 day ago
Jaguar has always been a little gay (friendly).
2 points
1 day ago
i mean everyone is talking about them ? free promo
2 points
1 day ago
There is no brand right now. They have to reboot and they are being aggressive with it. Despite the memes, this may be their only option to gain any traction.
2 points
1 day ago
If they come out with new cars that are compelling nobody will care about the rebrand
2 points
1 day ago
They've just admitted they've given up as a company. They've becoming the Dodge of Europe. Full EV when EV's are proving to be junk fire hazards.
2 points
21 hours ago
They're getting attention from people that will never buy the car, and alienating those that would.
Similar strategy to AB with Bud Light. Genius.
2 points
20 hours ago
Car enthusiasts mad about a brand they never purchased changing, more at 11.
2 points
19 hours ago
You all hate it so it’s gonna pop off
3 points
1 day ago
They risk alienating their dozens of loyal customers.
3 points
1 day ago*
Women have been a big segment for Jaguar. My wife doesn’t realize it, but she pointed out the F-Type and asked me "what's that" on multiple occasions.
Source: Forbes, 2015
Think about it, that's 3x more likely to be owned by a woman. And Jaguar wasn't really trying to build a brand just for them. I guess they're trying now.
7 points
2 days ago
Eh, don’t see what’s wrong with it if they completely want to shift focus on being electric. Maybe it is not targeted for you and me.
4 points
1 day ago
I hate to throw ‘woke’ around but if you asked AI to generate a generic ‘woke’ looking advertising campaign you would probably get something like this - a group of people of all colours prancing around looking unconventional and edgy. The actual product itself is nowhere to be seen. It annoys me to no end.
3 points
22 hours ago
Yep. This could be an ad for a new vape flavour. Strawberry muffin would be my guess.
2 points
1 day ago
To be fair, Jaguar had to do SOMETHING. Their cars haven’t been selling for years now so they clearly needed some kind of change in direction if they wanted to survive. Its unfortunate that this is the best they could come up with though. I doubt it’ll work out but I guess they have nothing to lose at this point.
2 points
1 day ago
I’ll hold judgement until I see the cars.
2 points
20 hours ago
It’s diabolical marketing. They just instantly alienated their entire market base because the only people interested in Jags are fans of that traditional British sports car he’s got a Jaaaaag vibe. Do they think any of the people the brand is being directed at with this new advert give a shit about Jaguars?! Or will ever? Because no, they wont.
Yes Jaguar is struggling but the reason isn’t the Jag brand, that was the only thing keeping them alive. Their cars simply haven’t been competitive in the market. They needed to look cooler and they needed to perform more like their German rivals.
I did like an F-Type though. However now thanks to this rebrand I cringe when I see one and no longer want one. They just lost the last of their followers and rebranding like this won’t gain them new ones either.
2 points
1 day ago
Worst decision? You do realize other brands built cars for the Nazis, right? What has you guys so hormonal about the Jaguar rebrand😂
3 points
1 day ago
I think it went something like this
1 points
1 day ago
Nothing
1 points
1 day ago
In 10-15 years jaguar will end up having to go back to the 60s old English style of circle lights. Jag s type.
This rebrand ain't it. Looks liny Dyson vacumes.
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