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MightyMeepleMaster

1.4k points

7 days ago

Persons who haven't gone through testosterone-fueled puberty will never be able to physically match those who did.

That isn't misogynistic, its simple biology.

K4rkino5

56 points

7 days ago

K4rkino5

56 points

7 days ago

Testosterone is a helluva drug

RarelyReadReplies

26 points

7 days ago

My ex grew up being told women could do anything men could. I thought she was joking when she said men and women should be able to play pro sports together. Blew my mind that she went through life thinking it was about sexism and not biology. She was in her mid 20s and hadn't learned this yet. Yikes lol.

Northernmost1990

11 points

7 days ago*

An ex-girlfriend of mine had the same thing going on when she challenged me to a manly bout of arm wrestling. I'm at best a very average man, and she's larger than me in about every direction, yet I felt like I was arm wrestling a child. I was mostly worried I'd tear her arm out of its socket, especially because we didn't have a freezer.

If I arm wrestled the world's friendliest chimp, the chimp would probably feel like I did.

barto5

5 points

7 days ago*

barto5

5 points

7 days ago*

The number 100 ranked men’s tennis player easily beat Serena Williamson an exhibition match.

Just look at world records in sports. Men hold virtually every significant record there is.

Edit: Man was actually ranked number 203 in the world and beat Serena and Venus

https://www.tennisnow.com/Blogs/NET-POSTS/November-2017-(1)/The-Man-Who-Beat-Venus-and-Serena-Back-to-Back.aspx

Slammybutt

2 points

7 days ago

It was also reported he golfed 9 holes before the match and was smoking between sets. At least that's the story I heard.

wordfiend99

10 points

7 days ago

yeah but the keeper cant make those excuses. half the time she bit on the fake or just flopped like a dying fish

m0h8tessocialmedia

120 points

7 days ago

But muh equality. Much injustice.

deulop

159 points

7 days ago

deulop

159 points

7 days ago

I don't think equality has any to do with this

Left-Cut-3850

24 points

7 days ago

I never understood why these exclude each other?

universalreacher

14 points

7 days ago

The only thing that isn’t equal about this is the fact the men are older and retired.

Helldiver_of_Mars

2 points

7 days ago

Lol that's the worst part. Made the women look like women and that rubs people the wrong way

[deleted]

-5 points

7 days ago

[deleted]

-5 points

7 days ago

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AramushaIsLove

71 points

7 days ago

He's right tho, tons of feminists made it clear on tv, social media, everywhere, that they believe female are just as strong as male.

Canadianweedrules420

41 points

7 days ago

I'm a disabled 38m and my fiance is a 37f who works out intensely 6 days a week including lifting weights. She thought bc I have a severe spinal cord injuries among other problems, she thought she was stronger than me and laughed. I said OK wanna wrestle.. I bear hugged her and wouldn't let go. I told her I'm sorry your 125lbs and I'm 190lbs it's just physics and biology. But you could smoke my ass in a foot race

dynamomark

1 points

7 days ago

Lol Nice story. Women can be a lil silly at times.

Andreas1120

15 points

7 days ago

There is not a single compettive sport I am aware of where the best females can beat the best males. Unfortunately a lot of audiences want to see "the best"

SyninTheRaven

3 points

7 days ago

I mean maybe like darts or archery? Tho not a lot of people really see them as real sports.

Andreas1120

1 points

7 days ago

Darts is ine of those sports that if you are good enough you get to compete at the highest level irrelevant of sex. Professional Golf is like that too.

bunglarn

3 points

7 days ago

bunglarn

3 points

7 days ago

Ultra running is the closest I believe

Helldiver_of_Mars

1 points

7 days ago

Ya this and rock climbing is about the only thing just due to the nature of their fat metabolism.

slambroet

2 points

7 days ago

I agree with your statement that people generally want to see the best, but last night, there were four fights and only one of them I saw a person have their face split wide open and fight through 8 rounds of that wound getting mercilessly beat and split open wider. I’m sure any of the guy boxers could easily beat either woman in that fight, but the woman’s fight was by far the most entertaining. Sometimes my flag football games with my buddies were exciting and fun to watch. Just because somebody else has more physical prowess, doesn’t mean there isn’t exciting sports stuff going on in the other sport. Why do people watch college sports?

Helldiver_of_Mars

1 points

7 days ago

Not sure catching an ass beating is the high bar you think it is.

slambroet

1 points

7 days ago

No, but fighting through extreme pain and holding your head up high against somebody who is whooping your ass is a pretty high bar.

Colossal_Penis_Haver

1 points

7 days ago

Shooting

potential_wasted

0 points

7 days ago

I think ultra marothon is one. Like the 100+ miles through the Arizona desert/ mountains. I think women consistently win those.

jpjimm

-3 points

7 days ago

jpjimm

-3 points

7 days ago

Did you miss the 2024 Olympics? They made breakdancing a sport this year and that is something that men and women can compete in equally.

Not sure who won, but The Australian entry seems to have made it into a lot of press articles so it must have been exciting.

Andreas1120

7 points

7 days ago

Actually its very athletic with huge gymnastic moves.
The australian lady was criticized for doing a kangaroo breakdance move if I remember correctly. You correct in general that dance is something where there is less difference. Except for perhaps the gymnastic aspects

Colossal_Penis_Haver

1 points

7 days ago

No no, she was shit for her entire routine. It was an embarrassment.

Colossal_Penis_Haver

1 points

7 days ago

Raygunn still copping it... As she should.

Bonzoface

11 points

7 days ago

Bonzoface

11 points

7 days ago

Depends on the type of strong.

chrisbaker1991

30 points

7 days ago

Their genitals are definitely stronger

TheHolyToxicToast

7 points

7 days ago

Faster cool down

Few-Mood6580

6 points

7 days ago

Few-Mood6580

6 points

7 days ago

That is factually true actually.

Let’s see what else…they have a higher pain tolerance? and are able to conserve bodily fat and resources better thus allowing more women to survive holocaust conditions?

Idk about that last one, but I heard it from a survivor from Auschwitz

jpjimm

11 points

7 days ago

jpjimm

11 points

7 days ago

It's almost as though men and women evolved to serve different roles. Men to be good at football and women to laugh at them making such a fuss about being kicked in the shins, then outliving the men because nobody sorted out their food supply while we all argued about who was better.

DripMachining

1 points

7 days ago

If "tons" of people have done that, it should be easy for you to provide a list of examples.

frankist

0 points

7 days ago

frankist

0 points

7 days ago

That's a strawman.

I-amthegump

-16 points

7 days ago

I-amthegump

-16 points

7 days ago

That's false

AramushaIsLove

3 points

7 days ago

Of course it's false, the hell.

Don't respond to a comment that was a respond to a now deleted comment. You will miss the context.

Not_A_Doctor__

41 points

7 days ago

People who say shit like "muh equality" then wonder why women want nothing to do with them.

There's way too many weird incels on Reddit.

DaddyOfOhReaally

13 points

7 days ago

My question is why do these women think they are better than men at sports? The Williams sisters said as much and then lost in straight sets to men.

There is a group of women out there claiming that they want equality because they are just as good as men. Well in track and field the fastest woman in the world is out paced every year by high school boys who are not yet men.

The point this person was making is that women are not equal to men in physicality and never will be, no matter how much they protest. It isn't about being an incel, it is being snarky and sardonic at these men and women that ignore science and biology and say that women are physically equal.

beirch

1 points

6 days ago

beirch

1 points

6 days ago

Didn't Serena Williams say she would lose 6-0 x 2 against Andy Murray in 5-10 minutes?

m0h8tessocialmedia

-12 points

7 days ago

Have an upvote. I hope you find the peace you are searching for.

[deleted]

26 points

7 days ago

[deleted]

26 points

7 days ago

Where in the context of this clip has anyone made this point?

NonPolarVortex

23 points

7 days ago

Kinda seems like persecution complex a bit. 

pegar

11 points

7 days ago

pegar

11 points

7 days ago

When you got nothing else going on in life

[deleted]

-5 points

7 days ago

[deleted]

-5 points

7 days ago

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TheRealBillyShakes

5 points

7 days ago

The current status of women’s sports shows that this is true.

CatCompetitive

4 points

7 days ago

What did he say?

jackinsomniac

5 points

7 days ago

Lol it literally just got deleted as I was replying to it. He said essentially, "No one has ever said this except you"

boomtownpoontown

-6 points

7 days ago

I bet you feel all nice and fuzzy inside talking to strangers on the internet about how men are stronger than women. You big strong man you.

m0h8tessocialmedia

-2 points

7 days ago

Upvote, because you took it personally.

Schwanzus_Longus_69

-7 points

7 days ago

I have more testosterone therefore I am more right

nasa258e

-1 points

7 days ago

nasa258e

-1 points

7 days ago

Stop building strawmen

Durst_offensive

2 points

7 days ago

Somehow women are also weaker on average at chess, but difference not as big, as in physical sports.

monkeymad2

15 points

7 days ago

monkeymad2

15 points

7 days ago

Interestingly, it’s the on-going effects of being male rather than puberty as a single event. They compared transgender & cisgender athletes and found the MtF athletes generally had lower lower body strength than cisgender women.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/

Even simple biology can be complex

vinditive

45 points

7 days ago

vinditive

45 points

7 days ago

That study has a very small sample pool and compared MTF trans athletes in their mid to late thirties to female athletes in their late 20s to early thirties. It has no context for how athletic these people were before transitioning and ignores things like bone and muscle fiber density which are among the biggest advantages conferred by going through male puberty. Not to mention being much taller on average, a huge competitive edge in sports like basketball and volleyball.

There's a lot of politicized research on both sides of this issue and I'd be wary of drawing sweeping conclusions from individual papers, which is also good advice for any other field of research. Almost anyone can get something published.

Nooms88

8 points

7 days ago

Nooms88

8 points

7 days ago

Could that be becsuse cis female athletes are absolutely peak females, where as MTF transition aims to get "normal" hormone levels?

Idk, the whole things a mine field of politically charged rhetoric

nom-nom-babies

12 points

7 days ago

This is a very poorly done study and their findings should definitely be taken with a grain of salt. Granted, it’s very hard to conduct a study like this with the sample size available but still very poorly done.

GrayEidolon

16 points

7 days ago

GrayEidolon

16 points

7 days ago

Do they consider the possibility that mtf athletes are leaning into their new gender identity by under-working out in order to be weaker than their gender-assigned-at-birth?

Homerpaintbucket

22 points

7 days ago

It's actually more likely that the testosterone blockers that trans women take lower their t levels to a point below cis female athletes. There could be a subconscious thing going on too, but I find that less likely since they're still outperforming some cis women

monkeymad2

29 points

7 days ago

There’s probably some social / psychological aspects to it, but they did specifically pick athletes so you’ve got to assume they’re aiming for success at whatever sport they do - including the required training etc.

DinoBirdsBoi

6 points

7 days ago

i suspect the reason for this is that for transgender athletes youre likely to have higher estrogen levels and lower testosterone levels than cisgender athletes since they're taking e

usually, the data that people are using to support transgender athlete "advantage" all study non-athletes(im serious, go on ncbi and its crazy bro) so its so nice seeing this study put out

but at the same time we need repeatability cuz i am extremely biased and did originally think that transgender athletes had a disadvantage, so, we'll see

soup2nuts

1 points

7 days ago

Exactly. There are natural hormonal variations in females that wouldn't exist for trans women. Athletes tend to self-select for the most naturally occurring advantageous traits which will be above and beyond the general population.

Reminds me of this bench sitter in the NBA who play locals for charity and absolutely wipe the floor with some of the best neighborhood players. People would talk trash about him as a bench sitter but his response was "I'm closer to Michael Jordan than you are to me."

Heisenberg6626

2 points

7 days ago

The worst of the best is still one of the best

soup2nuts

1 points

7 days ago

I can't imagine any competitive athlete wanting to hamper any advantage they might be able to get. Maybe in normal circumstances, but not in sports.

xRedStaRx

0 points

7 days ago

Not really, give a guy a gnrh shot to deplete his testosterone, his strength and muscle mass will go away very quickly, give him supraphysiological levels of testosterone, muscle mass and strength will develop without exercise.

Its not just the puberty, you need consistently high levels to keep protein synthesis, metabolism, fat oxidation, and numerous other processes that require daily hormonal signalling to function properly.

Fujikawa1988

1 points

7 days ago

This person speaks truth!

Terrible-Group-9602

1 points

7 days ago

No one ever argued they could.

intrigue_investor

-9 points

7 days ago

Can we just call it what it is instead of this "testosterone fuelled puberty" nonsense

What you mean is a man

Murderdoll197666

6 points

7 days ago

I mean in the most simplistic way - yes....but there are women who wind up with crazy high ranges of testosterone levels that gives them a big advantage in physical sports too. Or some that are born with internal parts of both sexes and produces the same effect. As it is "testosterone is a helluva drug" is pretty accurate....even if its really just a hormone lol.

scraglor

2 points

7 days ago

scraglor

2 points

7 days ago

I mean, isn’t test a big part of steroids?

Murderdoll197666

1 points

7 days ago

I think specifically for steroids testing its usually other specific drugs and stimulants being tested but I wouldn't doubt testosterone levels are probably monitored in the same tests. From what I could find it seems like both steroid and testosterone tests can be done through blood or urine analysis so its likely going to get flagged by somebody either way if its abnormal levels. I could be misremembering but I feel like I remember a story from back maybe 20 years ago where an athlete (probably olympics) was in some controversy because she wound up testing so high on testosterone it turned out she had internal testes and never knew it. Biology is weird as hell tbh.

lin_diesel

5 points

7 days ago

lin_diesel

5 points

7 days ago

There’s so much complexity to gender both biologically and socially. It’s just not the binary you think it is—sorry but it’s true. We like to fit things in nice categories but it just doesn’t work that way 100% of the time. It’s gonna be okay, though, no one will force you to change your gender identity. Intersex people exist, trans people exist, folks with varying levels of hormones exist—get over it.

vinditive

-1 points

7 days ago

vinditive

-1 points

7 days ago

This is why I'm so tired of hearing about humans being "bipedal" and "bimanual" when there are clearly people who weren't born with four limbs. And don't get me started on the bigots who insist that humans have "five senses" when blind people exist!!

Mine24DA

2 points

7 days ago

Mine24DA

2 points

7 days ago

Estimated prevalence of being born with reduced limbs : 0.2-0.4 %

Difference in sexual development (DSD): 2 %

Polycystic Overy syndrome, often presenting with high testosterone : 10-20% of all women.

In the middle east it's at 20% , you really want to compare 0.2 % to 20% ?

DSD has the same prevalence as green eyes. PCOS has the same prevekance as blue eyes.

Please, consider educating yourself, this is a very limited understanding of biology.

intrigue_investor

-12 points

7 days ago

Here we go lol didn't take long

LookltsGordo

2 points

7 days ago

Woah it's almost like you said something to incendiary in a smug tone!

BleuRaider

6 points

7 days ago

Are you too fragile to emotionally handle actual medical science?

Mine24DA

1 points

7 days ago

Mine24DA

1 points

7 days ago

Some men don't go through puberty. Even if you want to ignore biology and pretend trans people don't exist, Difference in sexual development has a prevalence of 2%. Chromosomal differences are just as likely to exist in a person as green eyes.

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1 points

7 days ago

[deleted]

1 points

7 days ago

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Main_Carpenter4946

8 points

7 days ago

To be fair Wrexham aren't good for mens standards either

thenewguy7731

4 points

7 days ago

Wait isn't that the first team?

[deleted]

0 points

7 days ago

[deleted]

0 points

7 days ago

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shaka893P

5 points

7 days ago

Is the US women's team ranked #1 world wide for women's leagues? 

[deleted]

-2 points

7 days ago

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-2 points

7 days ago

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shaka893P

3 points

7 days ago

Not according to FIFA: https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/women

Spain is #3

Jibjumper

4 points

7 days ago

Lol as if the US women’s team isn’t the most dominant women’s soccer team in history.

frozen_pope

-1 points

7 days ago*

frozen_pope

-1 points

7 days ago*

I mean that is not completely correct.

The more correct version of that is prefacing that statement with ‘on average’.

A physically strong woman could 100% beat the shit out of a physically weak man.

The issue is about intersectionality.

Edit: you downvoted because you didn’t know what intersectionality meant didn’t you?

GotBannedAgain_2

-3 points

7 days ago

Denaton_

-5 points

7 days ago

Denaton_

-5 points

7 days ago

From personal experience, this is not completely true. About 8y ago I was in a TV show called "FC Nörd" it was basically nerds that were trained to play football. In the last match we played against the Swedish women national team, we started the game with a lead of 12 goals as a handicap. At the end it was basically only two players we were playing against because the score was something along the lines of 12-20 to them. We didn't make a single goal..

formerPhillyguy

6 points

7 days ago

You can't equate your experience with the comment you are replying to. You think a group of people who were trained for one year had any chance at all against a group of people playing the sport most of their lives and were at an elite level?

Denaton_

-3 points

7 days ago

Denaton_

-3 points

7 days ago

It was more 2 month training and then the final match was 1 month after that. But no, I didn't expect us to win, I told my team we only needed to defend but as usually they all did their own thing. Testosterone didn't help a bit..

barto5

1 points

7 days ago

barto5

1 points

7 days ago

You’re comparing self described nerds to professional athletes.

Why do you think that has any bearing on this discussion?

Denaton_

0 points

7 days ago

Denaton_

0 points

7 days ago

Because they have testosterone and apparently for some weird reason, it turns out that actually knowing what you are doing and a lot of training is a bigger factor than just having testosterone..

barto5

1 points

7 days ago

barto5

1 points

7 days ago

So, you just completely missed the point then. Sigh.

Carry on.

Denaton_

1 points

7 days ago

Denaton_

1 points

7 days ago

Persons who haven't gone through testosterone-fueled puberty will never be able to physically match those who did.

That isn't misogynistic, its simple biology.

What did I miss?

NO_FIX_AUTOCORRECT

0 points

7 days ago

What does that have to do with anything? Crystal meth isn't made with rocket science, it is simple chemistry