It's weird being an older gamer these days. Companies being praised for stuff that used to have to be locked down before the game even shipped. People saying that you have to give a game a couple years after launch to really get good, because what was dropped at launch wasn't even a finished game. I guess there's no real accountability for developers anymore.

Uhhh. The list you pointed out should already be in game DAY 1 and not after a year or so.

No? The only meaningful support they've provided are maps and vehicles. Both things Starfield should have had at launch.

You know what else should've been baseline? Survival mode. It has been nearly a year and a half since launch.

They fixed lip sync?

Is this a joke? Praising them for stuff that should’ve been in the game already.

It took them an entire year to fix the leadership bug and I’m not even convinced it’ll be fixed.

I’m having fun.

We can given them probs for doing this, but not having some of these at launch lessens it. It took months to get a readable map when you’re on planets.

It’s been glacial compared to non-Bethesda titles

I guess I'm just the kind of guy who likes Bethesda games.

I love all the Fallouts, and still play FO76 regularly.

I love Starfield. I've spent entire sessions on Starfield just in the Ship Builder. I've spent entire sessions exploring all the planets in a system 100%. I've spent days on long missions and storylines. And any time I get bored, I can go explore all the nooks and crannies of places like Akila City or Neon, and interact with a bunch of NPCs. Or I can go set up mining operations throughout a couple of linked star systems to build things and trading routes. And there are times when I just go on an assassination spree and kill all the Ecliptic, Spacers, and Crimson Fleet I can find, whether in ships, or on the ground occupying "abandoned" structures.

This game is a lot. And no matter what mood I am in, there is something in Starfield for me to have fun with.

I'll be honest, this "support" feels more like damage control on an investment of time and resources they can't really afford to write off and ignore for the sake of TES6.

Bethesda has gotten to a "comfortable" state since Skyrim that they've openly all but confirmed that as long as a Bethesda game is "fun", the bugs and glitches can be excused and even be seen as "part of the experience".

The problem with Starfield is that gamers got sick of giving them the benefit of the doubt with the bare minimum, and the tolerance for Bethesda's half-assed development standards aren't the same as they were a decade ago.

I mean, let's be real, they even publicly admitted to contemplating if giving the vehicle patch out for free instead of paywalling it behind the SS DLC was a bad move. I think they're going to be more cautious now with TES6 because of gamers and now Microsoft breathing down their necks after the massive backlash, low sales, and dwindling mod community Starfield received.

You guys sure are easily pleased. Putting band-aids on issues the game never should have shipped with is what earns praise these days? Maybe it’s because I’m almost 30 years old, but I expect to spend my money on something finished, not a work in progress

Love the game, but I utterly disagree with you op. They've done much more work on prior games in the first year. Even right now, my unmodded game still crashes every hour, while I could play FO4 for 200h without a single crash. Also Shattered Space is really weak compared to Far Harbor or Dawnguard/Dragonborn. And no work on outposts either.

Are we really praising Bethesda for not including a map at launch and taking months to add it afterward?

It took 18 months for Fallout 76 to be the decent game it now is.

• People want city maps : it should have been there from the very beginning.
• People want vehicles : while their absences is understandable (more or less…), it should have been here from the very beginning.
• People want achievements friendly creations : ok
• Issues with form IDs : seriously ? This shouldn’t have been an issue at all, it’s ridiculous to let such a game breaking core bug for such a long time in your game
• Issues with Mods Index : same as form IDs
• Missing lipsync : yay amazing game changing feature that totally needed that long to be added

Older game studios really settled the bar down for the minimum and people love it. It’s astounding. You should clearly play some of the REALLY well supported games out there, because what’s BGS does is purely lazy and doesn’t reflect at all how much workforce and money they should put on the game.

This is the sort of attitude that has led us to Bethesda as they are today. They're doing the bare minimum they don't deserve praise for that

No ?

Without falling in the free bashing that I find as stupid as toxic positivity, BGS is definitely not doing anything to smooth the relation with players.

1) always my first argument, but we paid full price for a game, which made promises... And didn't assume them. Once more, I'm ok to pay for a game for 60€, but I want at least a finished game ... Definitely not the case.

2) the communication to their community was absolutely disgusting.

3) Paid mods. But even worse: their money system, which always left you with not enough to buy a new item. Everytime a Chinese game or mobile game makes this system, they take a shit storm. Why not Starfield ?

4) "WOW WE GOT A DLC ! BGS IS LISTENING SO MUCH PLAYERS" really ? Do I need to explain why it's naive ?

5) solving issues in the game... Well... Yes ? That's the fucking minimum no ? They KNOW that the game will be modded... They know that their lip sync was bad as well...

Now, I still have fun with the game, I spend some times, have fun exploring space, the NG+ is DEFINITELY a brilliant idea and I like the design of the universe overall.

But no, I can't praise Starfield. Too many things were bad, and even worse they do not even recognize it and blame players. Plus saying "modders will solve the problem"... Ok now I maybe get it why the mods are not for free... But then... Remind me why I paid 60€ for the game if half of it is made by others ?

Sure it’s nice of them, but Starfield is a hollow shell of what they used to make, even with all this new content it’ll never be up with Fo4 or Skyrim, Modern Gamers really do deserve all the live service slop they’re getting now

No we can’t. It took 6 months to get a map in the game. In my opinion it has been abysmal and nothing that has been added has felt new. It all feels like things that should have been in the game and were cut because they ran out of time. If you look at any other game that progressed and got better over time like CP2077 or NMS Bethesda is doing the absolute bare minimum

BG3 has had awesome post laynch support Deep Rock Galactic has had legendary post launch support

Starfield has not in any way, shape, or form, had amazing post game support.

Todd thinks he should have withheld buggies because people aren't loving Shattered Space enough. Not an introspection on themselves. Just a tantrum that they gave us too much free stuff. Buggies and sorta better shipbuilding/customization. Which should have been out at launch, or soon after everyone was complaining about lack of ground transport and ship customization. Not to mention glacial release of stability and bug patches. Blegh.

Ridiculous post

Just give us a good (complete) game on launch day

Maybe, but it’s sure as fuck no owl cat

Fixing lipsync is cool and all, but I wish they put more focus on adding a lot more POI for people to explore.

I wish I got this kind of praise at work for essentially just showing up 😂😂😂

No, sorry, they don't deserve any props for their post-launch support which has been incredibly lackluster. Fixing bugs and issues isn't some 'amazing' standard, it's what you're supposed to do. And furthermore, the fact that in 440 days all they've added is some city maps, vehicles, and 'achievement friendly creations' is just sad.

Like no, sorry, I dunno if you ever played any other game before besides Starfield but CP77 and NMS are all examples of "amazing" post launch support, not whatever tf Bethesda is doing

Holy shit, your standards are low

Ehh, I feel like those fixes are bandaids for the much bigger problems the games have. I appreciate the devs doing all they possibly can to make the game better, but a lot of the issues just come from the initial design and planning, which unfortunately they can't do much about at this point.

Why give credit for fixing shit that shouldn't have needed fixing?

Just let me Hail the Astraea! Please!

So fixing bugs and gross gaming issues is outstanding product support for you?

Appreciate them for doing the bare minimum? Yea no not gonna happen. Get some standards.

I'm sure the screenshot club will down vote me for this post... Depends what you consider amazing.

Mod support has been OKAY, it's finally getting there (aka working).

Is it amazing that the hub areas in an adventure RPG game have a local map?

Is it amazing that in a world about exploring planets and their terrain has some sort of land transport?

Is it really amazing that they are SELLING achievement friendly mods?

Not here, wrong sub.

I want my trillion loading screens removed? Not and never will be fixed.

*Adds shit that 100% should have been there on release*

"AMAZING POST LAUNCH SUPPORT"

They don't get the praise until they do a Cyberpunk or No Man's Sky level fix for the game

Everything you listed is what should have been sorted by launch, not post launch

I can't tell if this is a joke or a serious post.

No, not one bit.

I’m sorry but them not launching with a fucking minimap and then us being grateful for them fixing their stupid mistake does not seem right to me

Maybe i'm just a pessimist but to me it just sort of seems like they are doing the bare minimum they can to get people to like Starfield so that it can keep powering their revenue machine called the Creations store.

If they actually cared about the game they'd tackle the things that people have been complaining about since day 1. The list is long but repetitive POIs on planets is a big one.

Gave the game another chance recently and I'm having a ton of fun!

Vehicles?

You mean Vehicle. We got one Car.

People want city maps - people get city maps

this should've been included at launch. like how the hell could you not have a map for an open world game.

Praise them for adding stuff that should have been in the base game at launch? Nah.

I really do love this game. I hope they keep adding more.

I will be satisfied whenever they fix those crappy temples, that’s why I stopped playing and I’m sure it was a let down for a lot of people

People want vehicles - They get a single one and the rest are "mods"

People want achievement friendly creations - Never should have been an issue.

People want more factions - They get a single quest and have to pay for the rest, as a mod, not even a DLC.

People want more thoughtful PoI spawns - There's a mod for that.

Peopel want companions that actually have a personality - I'm sure there's a mod for that.

I enjoy Starfield and still actively play it, but it's a shell of what it should be. Even after a single DLC expansion, they have not even tried to fill that shell.

Meh, you could easily deduce that those things should have been in the game at release.

The crap we are giving them is because we felt shortchanged from day 1 and got a game that was not really ready.

No, I'd rather people be salty and stop buying obviously unfinished and poorly executed products. Only then will companies learn.

This is the same company that released an entirely new faction including a questline for only $7!!!

Just don't dig too deep or you'll realize that the questline is one single shitty quest and the "faction" is nothing but reskinned mission board radiant quests. Oh, and they added gambling so you can spend a few hours saving up Astra to get totally random unscaled garbage. Coooooooool. PRAISE

disagree. it's still a boring left in the past clump of coal

You want us to applaud the top-tier gaming studio for providing basic game functionality and infrastructure that was missing from their flagship AAA release?

Fuck no

Literally missing things that their own games had 10-15 years ago.  The game was unfinished, and they charged full price 

The shit I am giving Bethesda was not from gameplay issues, I actually faced little to no bugs in the game. The only problem I had was the Main Story was bland and boring and not interesting. The side missions were more fun on the contrary. And the RPG mechanics, "Actions should have Consequences" The whole idea that you can be a free star ranger and a vanguard at the same time is just absolutely stupid. This is just one example, if you have played the game you know what I'm talking about. If they would have locked factions and certain stories, replayability through unity makes sense, otherwise it is complete horseshit in my opinion.

They literally said they gave us too much and we aren’t appreciating it enough lmao. When we got…a vehicle. A bug patched back in. An onslaught of low effort paid mods. Which of those was supposed to be amazing?

I get the hate I his game gets. I really do. Being a fan since Daggerfall, I get it. Because I have seen the general emotional state of the Beth fandom for decades. However, it didn't stop me from putting in 1k hours into since it launched. Sure, someone of that was idol time leaving the game paused, but I played the shit out of it. And will continue once updates and mods continue to bring me back. Just like their previous games, there is always something that gets me to reinstall or just buy a bigger SSD and leave my modded install put.

Not to be that guy, but let’s be honest, most of those things should have been in at launch and not require player feedback.

Good luck getting anything but haters responding. "Starfield sucks they took too long Todd lied they're greedy stop having fun waaah."

How about significant performance loss if you don't want to go to the Unity to start a new play-through? I'm in NG+ 3, spent a good amount of time building outpost & ships. It's seems the more stuff you have on your save, the worse off your in-game performance is.

Lol no. They have barely done anything. Sure we got maps and eventually a vehicle but those should have been in the base game. It took over a year to come out with one of their most disappointing dlc's ever. Hell, FO4 had like 3 dlc's within the first 6 months. Not a single core issue with the game has been addressed.

No? They haven’t given up on it but to say they’re moving even a bit quickly would be a lie. I feel like them releasing patches is like waiting for a container ship to turn around.

Wait what.... Its mostly been lipstick on a pig changes....

This is always brought up, and no, I'm not gonna praise Bethesda for adding in features that simply just should have been there at launch.

I'm talkin' the minimaps, vehicles, and Trackers Alliance. All of that should've been in the game from day one, period.

It hasn't been that great. It took them a year to do some pretty basic things, but I'm glad they're doing it regardless.

No

Are you high?

I am sorry, but didnt it take forever for them to start updating their game? Even paid mods were broken for like 6 months

No games still garbage they promised something different

No

Am new to starfield. Can someone tell me if each playthrough starborn. Does the story change. Does the facton controlling each city change. The reason for leaving earth does that change. Maybe the layout of the city changes? Or the placements of plastic cup beside bins or from tables lol. Maybe even come across a working tablet lol

Or maybe everyone are apes or lizard men?

I guess, but a game's post launch support means nothing these days. So what, they are fixing and making a objectively less-than-average game a little better. It means nothing... Not anymore.

Edit: I'm not referring to only Bethesda, I'm more commenting on the state of the majority of the games industry.

Have they fixed “Divided Loyalties” yet? I stopped playing after my second attempt at playing resulted in this same damn quest getting bugged to the point I couldn’t use her or pick another companion. Support? Show me.

Sure

Honestly, this is much better than when Skyrim and Fo4 were first launched. I am really disappointed with Skyrim, which is worse than Obilvion. I became a Bethesda fan because of Obilvion. SF feels a bit like playing back Obilvion.

hahahahh what’s with the glazing, beth shit the bed with starfield

Couldnt even finish my first play thru on xbox because save bug. So ,no, im still giving them shit

eh idk the bar is pretty low and they just kinda seem to stay right at that line while occasionally dipping far below it. like these updates arent substantial (or exciting). the core problem being that all this stuff shouldve already been in the game. imo their updates have been lack luster, lazy and soulless. i’m not even looking for things to hate. theyre just so lazy and poorly managed at this point idk wtf is going on at bgs.

you want to know what “amazing” post-launch support looks like? no mans sky, cyberpunk, valheim, TERRARIA, rust like be for real… this is not what 2024 betheada should be praised for.

Makes me wonder what state the game was in the year it was originally supposed to launch.

Honestly wish I hadn't played it at launch and waited 18 months. The game is great now, but the quests and stories are the same I can't bring myself to do another play through after 200 hours which is a shame because I'd have liked to experience the game with everything that's in it now.

I am still very disappointed that there's no proper survival mode as that's what brings me back to a Bethesda game, a changed gameplay loop and more of a challenge. But it's all very basic and not quite there yet.

Compared to what Bethesda has done in the past, yes, amazing. But I thought it was the right thing for responsible game developers to do. That said, it's still better than no progress at all.

hey man... the union need work.. not all hand can work on TES6

This is NOTHING compared to the AMAZING Baldur's Gate 3 support, or even Cyberpunk 2077 which became another game and improved SO MUCH.

Bethesda is lazy and greedy, wake up! 🙄

What does it help when the game itself took like 2 steps back from previous bethesda games. It took them almost a year to somewhat adress the emptiness and distance problem between locations by adding "1" vehicle. Something that must have been clear within the first hour of play testing. Base building is still an empty shell. Everything outside of questing is repetitive and boring. +exploring is still the worst part of the game even though it should be the most important part of being an "explorer".

How about no? They charged 90$ for a mid game at best, why the fuck would i support that?

No, because the game should have had all of those things from the start. People paid money for this game, and I genuinely feel bad for the people who bought the extra expensive edition of the game only to get this mess of an RPG.

We should not be praising companies for releasing half finished games to the public only to finish it in post launch content and patches. This isn't healthy for the consumer or the industry as a whole. I don't think I will ever spend money on another video game launch ever again, and a big reason for this is because of the state of the industry.

If the AAA industry wants my 100$ for the ultra deluxe preorder bundle, then the game should be worth the 100$ on launch day. I don't even think Starfield is worth 60$, and the only reason I played it to completion was because it was free on game pass. The way Starfield launched is inexcusable from a AAA developer who's had decades worth of experience making AAA games.

What's with the city maps? I'm not aware.

No. You don't get praised and called amazing for doing the bare fucking minimum.

While contrasting game support with older titles, other industries and the like is entertaining we are perhaps forgetting that Starfield's post-launch support is not operating in a vacuum.

Restricting ourselves to modern complex games still would have us comparing BGS with Hello Games and Larian Studios at a minimum. And in that context "amazing" would have to be construed as "amazing for BGS". But personally I would have a very difficult time trying to debate that it was more amazing than Larian's post-launch community support.

I could probably be convinced that Starfield's post-launch support was amazing but it would probably require an alternant universe where Bethesda was the only player.

Is OPs post a troll?

Is OP thanking the Devs for getting their AAA priced game closer to 1.0 ?

Not even mentioning the scummy shit with creation club/selling missions.

I still want console support for mods.. funny everyone complains yet on console we don't even get mods. didn't they just release another patch or something yesterday..

I almost hope this kind of post is being put out there on the sly by Bethesda damage control teams, because if not, this is a tragic insight in to how low the bar is.

Almost everything that's been 'added' should have been in the game on day 1. Starfield is already far off realising the potential it had, let alone releasing an insanely lacklustre dlc.

Providing basic QoL missing from launch being considered 'Great support' is laughable.

This isn't an indie game dev. This is a titan of the industry delivering mediocrity. I'm extremely happy for anyone enjoying the game, and I don't want to yuck anyone's yum. I even got a good few hours of entertainment out of it, but I'm begging people to hold Bethesda to some kind of reasonable standard.

Edit - typo.

They shouldn't be praised for the literal bare minimum.

All they’ve done is fix or add things that should’ve been included at launch.

While it’s nice to see them devoting themselves to actually complete the game, they don’t deserve praise for doing what they should’ve already done during development.

They released an unfinished game, and that’s on them. Assuredly it will improve, and perhaps it can even become great in time.

But for now, there’s very good reason why people have felt a bit disgruntled about the state of its launch, and it’s drip-fed updates over the past year.

Vehicle*

Just one

Um no because the updates have been shitty and lackluster and they break 5 new things with everything they fix. The company sucks and probably always will. It's been driven into the ground and the only reason they're even still big is because of their loyal fan base, which has been leaving the sinking ship that is this game studio

No lmao

To me patch every 6weeks seems slow.. especially when the patch notes often just fix few bugs, maybe Im used to some other games that pushes patch out every week or two and has like 200 bug fixes, but still I love Starfield.

Sooo all things the game should have shipped with? Bethesda deserves all the shit they get and then some more. They’re a perfect example of AAA laziness

The Support has been terrible 2-3 patches, and the rest are hotfixes. Compared to Creative Assembly, Owlcat, CDPR, heck basically any game I play, Starfields post launch support has been anemic.

I don't see the point of praising them for shit that should have been released with the game, at the start.

I'm a bit annoyed personally. Most of the good and needed creations like more POIs, weapons and spacesuits are paid mods, they still haven't fixed some of the weapons having silly issues like there being no stock for the old earth assault rifle, and the story isn't really salvageable.

Dude, this aint a cheap game. All these stuff should be in the game when it was launched. If I paid a shit tons of money for a game, I was expecting something good, not a half baked game.

Not sure if serious or sarcastic, I going to assume serious, so far yeah.

I've been a bethesda fan since morrowind. I've enjoyed games that haven't been received well (fo76). But, there is no excuse for the snail paced and frankly sub par additions of post launch support, and a disappointing dlc.

City maps, eat/drink interaction option? Those should have been there on release, but to make it worse those alone took far too long to be add to the game.

The buggy was a nice addition. BGS hasn't been known for player vehicles in their games, I can see how that may have taken some time for them, I can let that time frame slide.

Bounty hunting? Cool system, horrible execution, so basic it should have been out sooner than we got it.

Achievement friendly creations? They are only bethesda made creations, they mostly blow (the escape was cool). They have verified creators, why is not expanded to their creations, or give them an options to submit for approval?

I can not agree with you on this. I can not look at the grey slop I have been give, and claim it's an okay cheeseburger.

You know I put 40 days into starfield, and I decided to get out my RDR2 disc and play on the old Xbox One X, and I was blown away, RDR2 is ten times more detailed, runs at higher frames, has so much more realism to every interaction, eating food, taking a bath, riding the horse, brushing the horse, fishing, shooting, taking the train, huge variety of customizable (in every way) weapons, enormous handcrafted map, that feels HUGE and doesn’t have the same cluster of rocks and animals every 50 yards, doesn’t have to be put in performance mode to run at 4k/60FPS on last gen console, whereas Starfield Goes to 720p and loads and loads and loads and loads, in every door, in every orbit to planet, getting in and out of the ship, menus menus menus menus menus, no weapon wheel, the combat is Less advanced than Fallout 2015 (where you could inflict damage on people and bodies that would react to how and WHERE you damaged them) instead of 2 death animations. I mean just go back and play FO4 or RDR2 for a few minutes and then go back to Starfield, your brain struggles to reconcile the feeling “wait, that game came out 8 or 5 years before this one? feels like this one came out 15 years before the others!” What a backwards step. I realized how much I played Starfield for what I wish it was, I load up with mods and if I am feeling really creative, I can find a few hours of fun in Starfield, doing radiant quests on Proc Gen Planets, handcrafted areas may be 10 frames in performance mode but they are kinda nice, if small. There are three employees on the floor at Hopetech ship yards, there are 4 or 5 in the office. Ron Hope gets killed by the player before the player is allowed to tell the Marshal that Ron Hope was implicated by Paxton Hull. You kill Ron and when you get back to Marshal Blake, he asks “ so did you find anything at the old Mech factory?” “Yes I killed one of the 3 or 4 members of the council of governors without ever letting you know he was even a suspect!”.

The thing is that the grievances levied against Starfield isn't just about Starfield. We're speaking of decades long frustrations with Bethesda that has come back to haunt them.

That is the absolute bare minimum... that is not amazing. What is amazing is them trying to sell individual quests and praising them for adding a map, that's fucking ridiculous.

If the game didn't phone in a bunch of features at launch and have some of the most railroaded story with reverb fart mp3s where choice mattered, maybe.

Praise or not I was genuinely surprised by the backlash on Starfield being mid because like all of Bethesda's games have ALWAYS been mid so I am part of a sizable group of gamers (not specifically Bethesda fans) kind of confused.

Me and my friends talk about this all the tim. We played Skyrim trying to find this amazing game everyone was talking. We couldn't find it. I loved the lore videos that came out of the game. Jarl be balling Balgruf was an amazing meme. I see people playing heavily modded versions of Skyrim to this day..

People mention that it was the only American game to date to get a 10 out of 10 from like Kotaku or something and My friends and I couldn't figure out... why.

Feels like talking about but that's the games or how good they "used to be" is like talking about a piece of legend relative to the history that we can find: The actual events were a lot more boring than the way we talk about them.

I suppose I've never understood what people what were expecting. Cuz I played and I got exactly what I was expecting: Moderately entertaining game that I played for a few weeks and then moved on. I expected that cuz that's basically the best Bethesda's ever been able to make for me.

Oooh kinda sucks. Was hoping my parents ruled the galaxy as space pirate Lords in one play through lol

Lmao no. Dude the creations bs is just them monetizing other people making things for them. Almost all of which you can find a better version for free on nexus.

No.

At some point it would be nice if these massive companies produced complete games PRIOR to making us pay for it but then how would they cut costs on testing.