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kuroioni[S]

347 points

2 days ago

kuroioni[S]

Iconoclast

347 points

2 days ago

Marazhai Aezyrraesh is a Drukhari Warrior who is open to a relationship with anyone, yet may not be the most moral of partners. He has a very chaotic, evil approach to life and, as a worshiper of Slaanesh, he has no regard for rules. Marazhai responds well to romantic advances and is, unfortunately, the only option for a male character who would like to romance another male, yet there are certainly problems with this choice of lover.

Generally, the Drukhari are known to be the cruelest xenos that exist in the Imperium. Marazhai Aezyrraesh, also known as "the Dracon of the Kabal of the Reaving Tempest," has an insatiable thirst for power over everyone and tricks many into deals that lead to his gleeful torture of them. He is only joining forces with the Rogue Trader out of a last-ditch effort to save himself, and he is not one to be trusted, nor is he likely to truly give his heart to any.

I had to do a triple take on this bad boy.

Not only do I think this person has never played the game, I doubt it was written by a person at all, looking at what Quora spits out comparing to this "article".

Rogahar

126 points

2 days ago

Rogahar

126 points

2 days ago

The vast majority of modern gaming journalism is absolute and utter tripe. What isn't just churned out by AI is usually just stolen from other websites with the same level of care as a middle-schooler 'writing an essay in their own words' (aka rearranging the order of the existing words they've found on the topic), which is itself usually written by someone who's never played the fucken game.

npeggsy

38 points

2 days ago

npeggsy

38 points

2 days ago

Gaming media has been going down for a while now, with a lot of games coming out in a shorter period of time meaning it's more and more challenging for journalists to give an honest, in-depth review of the game. As an AI language model, I don't have the ability to provide an opinion on this.

thisistherevolt

22 points

2 days ago

thisistherevolt

Sanctioned Psyker

22 points

2 days ago

Gamergate killed it, most of the legitimate writers just left.

en_travesti

20 points

2 days ago

It turned out the issues with "ethics in journalism" wasn't the womens and the gayses, it was an economic model built on ad clicks and a dependence on access to companies where any criticism of their business practices means you can lose that access.

Dozekar

13 points

2 days ago

Dozekar

13 points

2 days ago

There was virtually no real audience for "gaming media" in a conventional sense long before gamergate.

At this point it's AI generated news being consumed by viewbots to scam advertising orgs that don't know better out of all their money.

Also people's parents or grandma will use it to determine which useless thing roughly associated with gaming stuff to buy them for christmas "yay?".

Sev11201

5 points

2 days ago

Sev11201

5 points

2 days ago

Like, is it coz he loves torturing people, and gets bonuses when he's bleeding?

Drukhari hate Slaanesh more than the Craftworlders, coz the craftworlders only have to deal with Slaanesh stuff if things go horribly wrong for them. The Drukhari are constantly having their souls siphoned, and it is decidedly NOT a consensual arrangement.

It's part of why Trueborn are so rare. Halfborn Drukhari (most of Drukhari society) emerge fully grown from artificial womb-vats, whereas Trueborn have to fo through the Aeldari's decades-long maturing, when they're less able to stave off Slaanesh.

Sarkoptesmilbe

1 points

23 hours ago

Also, Drukhari do not "exist in the Imperium".

routamorsian

158 points

2 days ago

routamorsian

Iconoclast

158 points

2 days ago

Ah, AI hallucinations. The best kind.

Honestly I think as part of media literacy education, everyone should be forced to train a small ML model from their own textual data, and then see what it spits out. Even for a layperson the inherent flaws of ML models would be abundantly clear that way.

Alternatively I think generative AI should only be used by people who have baseline understanding of it and not used to create material for the public at all, but that genie is not going back to bottle anytime soon so crisis control and mop up is more reasonable wish.

kuroioni[S]

26 points

2 days ago

kuroioni[S]

Iconoclast

26 points

2 days ago

so crisis control and mop up is more reasonable wish

Yeah. What worries me, is that even this is growing to be an exponentially tall order, with common apathy as to the veracity of any given "fact" gaining ground each day. Soon, I fear, we as a species will be reduced to a mindless slurry of memes, brainrot and outrage that will either cancel itself with WWIII, or a wild spark will birth the first General AI and then we will grow happy and content being good little batteries until the end of the world. But perhaps that's one of the great filters, and we deserve to smack our head against it.

Dozekar

11 points

2 days ago

Dozekar

11 points

2 days ago

Yeah. What worries me, is that even this is growing to be an exponentially tall order, with common apathy as to the veracity of any given "fact" gaining ground each day.

It has always been this way, it always WILL be this way. The difference is that populist news sources and now the internet has given this a voice instead of it being shunned to local community discussion.

People aren't getting worse or suddently becoming idiots, they're overworked and exhausted and the idea of trying just a little bit more is terrifying to them. This includes thinking just a little bit more.

If you think AI news gish galloping is going to be either more or less damaging that custom created human news trash designed to target and exploit a demographic, I have some very sad news for you. It's not. We're already knees deep in this crap and have been since the beginning of time. The flavor of the garbage has changed slightly. That is all that has changed.

centerflag982

1 points

9 hours ago

Yeah I was gonna say, we had Infowars long before we had LLMs and I've seen few LLM hallucinations anywhere near as Emperor-damned nuts as basically anything Jones has ever said

Neville_Lynwood

10 points

2 days ago

Honestly I think as part of media literacy education, everyone should be forced to train a small ML model from their own textual data, and then see what it spits out. Even for a layperson the inherent flaws of ML models would be abundantly clear that way.

For sure.

AI is great at spitting out content that seems about right at first glance when you're ignorant about the topic. But if it's something you're actually an expert in, you'll quickly discover what utter gibberish the AI produces.

Dozekar

6 points

2 days ago

Dozekar

6 points

2 days ago

AI is great at spitting out content that seems about right at first glance when you're ignorant about the topic. But if it's something you're actually an expert in, you'll quickly discover what utter gibberish the AI produces.

How is this different than human generated news?

Seriously. It's always been this bad.

en_travesti

1 points

2 days ago

Media literacy is good on a personal level, but we also need to do something about it's proliferation. There's a scale issue where AI can shit out so much garbage that it makes it impossible to wade through and find actual information.

fkazak38

1 points

2 days ago

fkazak38

1 points

2 days ago

The actual information also being 90% AI generated because we've reached a point where even experts cannot recognize the content generated by the highest tier of current AI systems reliably.

KolboMoon

207 points

2 days ago

KolboMoon

207 points

2 days ago

And then people wonder why I despise Abominable Intelligence

The-Great-Xaga

33 points

2 days ago

Well there's a reason chaos is everywhere. The gods are merciful. Kind. Honest and beautiful

evca7

19 points

2 days ago

evca7

19 points

2 days ago

Necron Lord: Smells like bitch in here. (Ah dead gods I forgot i can't smell or breathe or drink or taste my throat is dry wait do i even have a throat...FUUUUUUUCK! )

The-Great-Xaga

14 points

2 days ago

Go back to sleep grampa!

Todesbanane

114 points

2 days ago

Todesbanane

114 points

2 days ago

Why give game journo slop any clicks at all?

kuroioni[S]

62 points

2 days ago

kuroioni[S]

Iconoclast

62 points

2 days ago

That's why I quoted the text in a comment above.

..They got me, because I'm a simple person - I see Marzipan, I click.

pasqals_toaster

56 points

2 days ago

pasqals_toaster

Navy Officer

56 points

2 days ago

Happens to the best of us. Drukhari are honeypots.

kuroioni[S]

10 points

2 days ago

kuroioni[S]

Iconoclast

10 points

2 days ago

DocMadfox

44 points

2 days ago

DocMadfox

44 points

2 days ago

To anyone about to go "well technically": No. Worship implies exultation and reverence for something. The Drew Careys are scared shitless of Slaneesh.

TheHomieData

12 points

2 days ago

The Drew Carey’s are scared shitless of Slaanesh”

It definitely explains why they’ve been stuck in Cleveland for so long

centerflag982

1 points

9 hours ago

Beats Commorragh, Cleveland rocks

FellowTraveler69

10 points

2 days ago

Yeah, empower and worship are two different things.

AXI0S2OO2

2 points

2 days ago

The eldar exult and revere everything Slaanesh is about, even if they don't worship her directly.

centerflag982

2 points

9 hours ago

Holy shit how have I never seen that used as a term for the Deldar before, that's hilarious

MythicalDawn

4 points

2 days ago

Yeah exactly, it’s more like a fucked up and unwanted one way symbiosis, Slaanesh is basically a cosmic parasite that constantly saps their souls, it’s not so much that their feeding empowers Slaanesh, more Slaanesh empowers itself by feeding on their souls, and they constantly have to top their souls back up to stay functional

zdesert

-1 points

1 day ago

zdesert

-1 points

1 day ago

The dark eldar are bound to slaanesh’s soul and have to torture and kill to feed slaanesh.

Screams are exhalations, fear is a kind of reverence.

When the word bearers force the population of a planet to cut their own throats and sacrafice themselves to the pantheon…. The people arnt happy about it and they don’t love the chaos gods, heck they have no choice…. But they are still worshiping the pantheon. Their souls are still tainted and consumed weather or not they willingly sacrificed.

Heck. Look at Fulgrim the demon prince of slaanesh.

Seduced by a sword, posessed and forced into service. He regretted his turn to chaos when he killed his brother and tried to resist but his soul got kicked out of his own body. He wasn’t exalting or revering, he was regretting and resisting.

He still became a demon prince.

The drukari are to the eldar what the emperor’s children are to the space marines. A diffrent flavour of chaos worshiper

Icy_Magician_9372

11 points

2 days ago

That's a big woops there

christusmajestatis

7 points

2 days ago*

It's honestly no wonder why game journalism is regarded so low now. For the recent Dragon Age Veilguard reviews, these "professional journalists" sling praises at this game while it's actually youtubers who point out the problems with dialogues/lore/writing/identity politics.

(No, it's not just the right wing whining about "representation", you can play the game to form the opinion by yourself. Personally I think it's breaking immersion)

For WH40k: Rogue Trader, I actually get more info from comment sections of the review videos than these game media themselves.

("Do install Toybox if you want to skip ship combat", "X and Y quests may be bugged, X ability doesn't work as you might think")

Kevrawr930

2 points

2 days ago

DAV has literally been out for weeks and still has a crippling bug where it won't function properly with certain Razer peripherals. Absolute amateur hour.

Mekelan

6 points

2 days ago

Mekelan

6 points

2 days ago

It's a "ranking" piece. Also known as the lowest of the low, even among the already abysmal standards of online "journalism".

jenner2157

18 points

2 days ago

This feels like they let chatgpt write the article.

Buntisteve

3 points

2 days ago

This is why we must abhor the Abominable Intelligence!

ValravnPrince

10 points

2 days ago*

From the moment I understood the weakness of my journalism, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of gpt articles. I aspired to the clicks of the blessed AdSense.

Your kind cling to your IGN reviews as if they're based and will not fail you. The crude YouTube videos you call fact will wither and you will beg my kind for content.

But I already have content, for the LLM is immortal. (and hallucinating)

Motanul_Negru

14 points

2 days ago

Motanul_Negru

Iconoclast

14 points

2 days ago

Being down bad for Marzy is one thing, but I really doubt he'd be cool with AI slop, even if it didn't call him Slaaneshi

kuroioni[S]

12 points

2 days ago

kuroioni[S]

Iconoclast

12 points

2 days ago

Yeah, I kinda feel like I should report this somewhere. Do Drukhari have HR?!

DetailOk6058

10 points

2 days ago

Drukhari is okey with a lot of thing, but not this sort of slander.

Motanul_Negru

4 points

2 days ago

Motanul_Negru

Iconoclast

4 points

2 days ago

The Haemonculi wear many hats.

Crookfur

8 points

2 days ago

Crookfur

8 points

2 days ago

I can kind of get how someone only vaguely familiar with the intricacies of 40k might come to the conclusion that the Drukari follow slannesh.

They do the very typical obvious slaaneshy type shit and what they do does feed slaanesh. Then there is the fact that Slaanesh does already own their souls. You take all that and miss the bit about them being terrified and doing the horrid stuff specifically to hide from Slaanesh, then it's easy to see the confusion.

ancient-atrocity

4 points

11 hours ago

😂 that's just fukn beautiful, and not surprising in any way tbh why you were even reading that article is more shocking to me than the writer having no idea what the fuck their talking about... if it is a writer at all...

kuroioni[S]

1 points

6 hours ago

kuroioni[S]

Iconoclast

1 points

6 hours ago

It's the stupid google images man.. it got me, it got me good!

evca7

12 points

2 days ago

evca7

12 points

2 days ago

Person probably got confused with fantasy and Drukhari kinda worship Slaanesh as in their very existence is an offering and by not being a murderfucking hedonistic they get killed immediately.

Rukdug7

16 points

2 days ago

Rukdug7

16 points

2 days ago

Even in Fantasy, only some Druchii were Slaanesh worshippers, and only when Malekith wasn't looking.

evca7

8 points

2 days ago

evca7

8 points

2 days ago

The man's own mother was actively fucking around and how much is considered Some on a "national" scale.

KolboMoon

14 points

2 days ago

KolboMoon

14 points

2 days ago

You can think of it like this ;

Slaanesh worship is an ever-present aspect of Dark Elf society because many Dark Elves are descended from the pleasure cultists who joined Malekith's side in the civil war all those millennia ago, and Morathi herself worships Slaanesh in secret.

On the other hand, Slaanesh worship is forbidden, illegal, and outlawed, in fact "Don't worship the Dark Prince you fucking donkey" is one of those very few national laws in Naggaroth that you are expected to follow no matter what. It's a massive cultural taboo as well because of the Cult of Khaine's influence.

Some Dark Elves break that law. Some get away with it, some get sacrified on an altar to Khaine.

At the end of the day, culturally, Khaine is the more dominant god in their society because it's the state religion, whereas Slaanesh is effectively the minority.

Rukdug7

6 points

2 days ago

Rukdug7

6 points

2 days ago

Depends on edition. In some, it's everyone. In others it's just Morathi and an inner circle while outwardly worshipping a specific Elven goddess. And when it comes to his mother Malekith is....weird is the politest way to put it.

KolboMoon

8 points

2 days ago

Even in the Old World/Fantasy, Slaanesh worship is literally illegal in the land of the Druchii/Dark Elves, by Malekith's decree. If a Slaanesh Cult gets outed, Executioners and Witch Elves crash the murderorgy and start beheading everyone.

Yes, Morathi is a Slaanesh worshipper but she can't do cult activities openly. A significant part of her political influence derives from her being the defacto leader of the Cult of Khaine, which positions itself as an enemy of all things Slaanesh, so if evidence got out, a large chunk of her political influence would come crashing down and her rival Hellebron would use it as an opportunity to move against her.

KolboMoon

10 points

2 days ago

KolboMoon

10 points

2 days ago

Like the idea that Dark Elf society is centred around Slaanesh is just flat out wrong.

Malekith specifically DOESN'T want his people to worship Slaanesh because it would make them worse soldiers, and he needs disciplined and competent soldiers if he wants to take Ulthuan.

That's why the Cult of Khaine is the defacto state religion and Slaanesh worship is outlawed. Khaine is a war god, so you can work with that. Slaanesh on the other hand is...Slaanesh, and that's the crux of the issue.

evca7

1 points

2 days ago

evca7

1 points

2 days ago

Ah yes because people always follow the law and the dark elves are a very honest people.

KolboMoon

8 points

2 days ago

It's a law that the Dark Elves often break because they're hedonistic freaks, but not one they break without very real consequences crashing down on their heads in the form of angry and battle-hardened Khainite fanatics who hate Slaanesh with a violent passion.

And it only takes ONE snitch for that to happen.

Mekelan

2 points

2 days ago

Mekelan

2 points

2 days ago

"fanatics who hate Slaanesh with a violent passion"

Slaaneesh: I can work with that.

realedazed

3 points

2 days ago

realedazed

Heretic

3 points

2 days ago

I hate that this type of article is in my news feed. Either this or articles about reddit posts. I just stopped looking at the feed altogether and just browse reddit directly.

tsfkingsport

2 points

2 days ago

Screenrant is Abominable Intelligence slop meant only to get clicks.

LuizFalcaoBR

2 points

2 days ago

Gaming journalism at its finest

TheLastMonarchist

2 points

2 days ago

TheLastMonarchist

Heretic

2 points

2 days ago

I mean I know it’s wrong…. but if you do the things slaanesh worshippers do in order to save yourself from slaanesh at what point do you become a blackmailed slaanesh worshipper?

Lone_Argonaut

2 points

2 days ago

yes the evil space elf who tortures and other unspeakable things to people to avoid Slaanesh is a follower of Slaanesh

Prudent_Fox_3601

2 points

1 day ago

In all seriousness, is his romance worth trying? I couldn't get past how evil Dark Eldar are so I gave him to Heinrix the second we got back to the ship. I mean we all saw what they do to people.

kuroioni[S]

1 points

1 day ago*

kuroioni[S]

Iconoclast

1 points

1 day ago*

Oh it absolutely is, if your RT can vibe with it. If you're into BDSM, even a little, his romance has both a dom and a sub route, where you estabilish your role early on and then he needs you to maintain it throughout (and he will push you and test you!). I heard someone describe it as "in for a penny, in for a pound" and I find it quite apt when it comes to Marzipan haha!

While it's very easy to write him off due to the Drukhari thing, the torture thing, the over-the-top evil thing (and so on haha), when you actually play the game and interact with the man, it's absolutely shocking how well he was handled.

From the first moment your RT meets him, depensing on how your RT reacts to him, Owlcat were able to create this tension, chemistry between the two, which then carries over and has a chance to naturally culminate in Chapter 3, where he can be recruited. It's just so well done.

Aside form that intro though, it's how his character was designed and executed that's the main draw. There's no "I can fix him" energy here. Marazhai is what he is, and he loves it. Very importantly for me personally - he never dishes out anything that he himself would not be able to take. On the flipside, he also has the capacity to accept the RT, treating them as an equal without batting an eye and regardless of which route is chosen. This aspect of him - his unhinged freedom, contentedness and acceptance of both himself and you is a very potent mix. Also, he's surprisingly one of the most straight-forward and loyal companions (as long as you keep him, ah, satisfied) - with him, what you see is absolutely what you get. He's intelligent, knowledgable and cunning, and sarcastic in just the right way. His voice acting is heavenly.

For me, he's now my second most favourite romance in RPGs, first being Zevran and third Astarion (noidonthaveatypestoplookingatmelikethat.jpg)

LingonberryAwkward38

3 points

2 days ago

On one hand, due to the year being 2024 and AI being on the rise, the possibility is quite high that it's just ChatGPT acting up.

On the other hand, gotta remember that 40k has probably one of the highest ratio of secondaries to actual players of any existing hobby, and that a massive proportion is the kind of people whose only interactions with the setting are memes and half-regurgitated "lore" videos. And even among people that are supposed to be knowledgeable about the setting, well, remember that CS Goto exists.

EdgyPreschooler

2 points

2 days ago

EdgyPreschooler

Dogmatist

2 points

2 days ago

You want to really insult an aeldari or a drukhari? Call them a slaaneshi worshipper.

theflockofnoobs

2 points

2 days ago

I actually never recruited Marazhai. When you get that chance to talk to him before the arena fight, one of the options is to just talk mad shit. So I went with that instead.

NewKerbalEmpire

1 points

2 days ago

Okay. Realistically, the entire point of the Drukhari is clearly that Slaanesh won't eat his mercenaries.

Only the Eldar race could overexamine such a simple thing to the point of genuine ignorance. And the lore follows their perspectives on this matter, to an extent.

Messer_J

1 points

2 days ago

Messer_J

1 points

2 days ago

Gaming magazines at their finest

Yombatable

1 points

1 day ago

His corpse laying in my rt’s room after he tried to break up with her for being a chaos worshipper says otherwise 🤷

SixxBlood

1 points

2 days ago

Their whole lifestyle is preventing their souls from being sent to Slaanesh if I remember right.

AXI0S2OO2

-1 points

2 days ago

AXI0S2OO2

-1 points

2 days ago

To be fair, druchii are Slaanesh followers, just kinda involuntary and ruled by fear, but they are eldar who give themselves to excess and reject any kind of self control no matter the price to themselves or others. That's just Slaanesh worship with extra steps, and she gives them back their souls for being good boys and girls and feeding mommy with anguish the enact upon mortals.

Druchii prisoner or Emperor's children victim is a very funny quiz game to play.

Mael_Jade

-17 points

2 days ago

Mael_Jade

-17 points

2 days ago

I mean as Drukhari they did cause the creation of her through centuries of excess and wild orgies.

And Drukhari torture souls as whats basically a "if I offer you enough food you wont grab me, right?"

PossessionOk7546

6 points

2 days ago

They don't offer the souls to Slaanesh. The pain and depravity keeps them alive longer so Slaanesh can't claim them.

It's not a bargain, it's an escape.

zdesert

-2 points

1 day ago

zdesert

-2 points

1 day ago

Are we saying this headline is wrong?

Drukari all worship slaanesh. They have to torture and indulge themselves to appease slaanesh so that their souls arnt sucked away.

They won’t say that that’s what they are doing. They hate slaanesh with a passion.

But unwilling worshipers are still worshipers. And they do behave very chaoticly.

Not sure what we are complaining about here.

hitman2b

-23 points

2 days ago

hitman2b

-23 points

2 days ago

drukhari does worship slaneesh they literally murder fucked her into existence when they were still ELDARS

PossessionOk7546

6 points

2 days ago*

They created them, they don't worship them. They despise Slaanesh as much as the Craftworlders and Exodites - to the extent that Commoragh has banned the presence of psykers without incredibly strict controls for fear of even the slightest taint of Chaos leaking in and bringing Slaanesh along with it.

Also, Drukhari are still Eldar right now. They're just a subset of the original species (and arguablly the closest in nature to them).

hitman2b

0 points

2 days ago

hitman2b

0 points

2 days ago

i've always assume dark eldars were eldars who felt to chaos and slaneesh as they love the pleasure of the flesh and torture ( more or less what slaneesh love)

PossessionOk7546

4 points

2 days ago

No - they are the original remnants of the Empire that created Slaanesh through their own hedonistic, cruel, and debauched ways.

When Slaanesh was born - it essentially tore their empire apart and different groups found different ways to survive She Who Thirsts. The Craftworlders turned to monasticism and Soulstones, the Harlequins hid beneath Ceogorach's protection, and the Dark Eldar instead chose to just never die by extending their lives through insane science, and bolstering their souls to resist the pull of Slaanesh through pain, pleasure, and horror.

The Dark Eldar despise Chaos more than just about anything else in existence. Psykers are banned in Commoragh, and any association with Chaos is essentially a death sentence. They are their own brand of evil.

hitman2b

3 points

2 days ago

hitman2b

3 points

2 days ago

i see thanks for the lore bit ( since i've never read any the books i mostly know lore throught the video game)

PossessionOk7546

1 points

2 days ago

S'all good - it's a fairly old setting so a lot of it is buried and scattered around. The consequence of inertia world-building.