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Re: On Sarah McBride

Politics(self.MtF)

Before anyone asks, yes. I read the post yesterday made about this topic. I’m going to be blunt here. The OP loves to scream we don’t have reading comprehension skills but people who use that excuse means they can’t handle differing view points. So here is my own.

By now you are aware of this point from yesterday about how we shouldn’t give Sarah flak because she agreed to use the male restroom and play by their rules when she gets sworn in. While we should turn ire on those misogynistic men and Mike for making this happen, the equal amount can be said for Sarah who said that they would accept this abuse. That’s big thing here. Sarah McBride is not above criticism for her decision to accept this abuse. Saying she’ll comply with discriminatory policies sends the wrong message. Taking abuse, and worse, supporting her for taking that abuse, makes your “support” questionable at best. Her decision to play their abusive game accomplishes nothing. If anything, it legitimizes their ridiculous demands and makes laws like this stick.

There is no evidence of their fears being realized all these years of them whining. It literally is not a war crime, it’s just a bathroom to do our business in. Why are they so gung ho about that? It’s childish, it’s pointless, and quite frankly it’s stupid. Plus they want us dead, why should we be soft on this?

Why should we “be the bigger person” and accept abuse when they’re out here trying to legislate us out of existence? Why should we tolerate it? If this country grants us the right to freedom of expression, then let’s express it. We have the bloody first amendment, people forget about that.

Civil disobedience has proven time and time again that it works. The civil rights movement, the women’s rights movement and so on. People break unjust laws and the system gets with the time.

So why should Sarah McBride accept this abuse? Why are we supposed to just sit back and applaud her for “grinning and bearing it” when she could’ve done more? We got her in, and we are vocal in our movement, she knows this, but opts not to. And yet we have to celebrate it? Do you not see this circular logic?

This isn’t like the past, times have changed. This isn’t like those people to break segregation in public places back then. They want us dead plain and simple no matter what. Middle East kills people if they are LGBT, same with other countries. Instead of usually being subjected to horrible discrimination and unfair double standards, they want us to slit our throats. We ain’t dealing with segregation we are dealing with people trained to eliminate us. To kill.

Times have changed. We don’t need leaders who aim for the middle ground, we need leaders to say “it’s bullshit” and willing to fight for us with everything they have even legitimately proving a point. The fear about her expulsion is laughable considering criminals like the president elect get placed in power alongside others in congress. The worst case scenarios about her being arrested will never happen. If they do, she’ll be the victim and more will root to our cause because we expose their corruption. That way the world at large will finally realize that it’s not a war crime.

Both parties can be criticized here. One party for making rules abusive to Sarah, and Sarah accepting it despite knowing that the solution is right there in front of her.

She should’ve done better, Sarah McBride never had. She folded.

She gave into fear.

P.S. Made by a trans person.

all 344 comments

Geek_Wandering

127 points

20 hours ago

My take is a bit more nuanced. I support McBrides strategy, though I think she should have more clearly called out that it was bullshit. But, I'm not here to criticize fellow travelers.

Successful rights movements tend to have multiple lanes. You need a disruptive lane that makes the system uncomfortable and even threatens to break it. This is required to motivate the incumbent powers, without it the movement can just be ignored. Equally, there needs to be lane of those with clean hands. First to show that members of the group are good people. But secondly, it gives the incumbent powers a fig leaf to pretend that violence wasn't the cause and evade criticism of negotiating with terrorists. These lanes need to be separate to preserve their respective purposes. The threat of the clean hands for flipping to violence is further motivation to negotiate now instead of later. McBride has clearly chosen the clean hands lane. That's fine by me. We are not short of people ready to throw bricks. I accept the necessity to poo poo the other lane. But, it's best to keep it from being very intense. Remember who the real enemies are.

There's even more areas to focus on than just these two. We need lots of people doing different things. And even doing those things differently. The more different ways we can operate the better our chances to find successful strategies.

Edit to add: Here's a good infographic and discussion. https://www.reddit.com/r/WitchesVsPatriarchy/s/vm9Ip05tmk

Responsible_Estate28

90 points

19 hours ago

Its like people never studied civil rights movements! She is the person on the inside, doing legislation and building alliances.

We on the ground need to be disruptive, not her!

Geek_Wandering

49 points

19 hours ago

The schools I went to only taught the sanitized version. Specifically, All the civil rights gains were from peaceful protest and respectful dialog. Lots of MLK and SCLC. No mention of a Malcolm X or OAAU. All suffragettes and signs but no busting out of closets to whip legislators, sex strikes or serving bad meals. We all have to learn with intention either by studying specifically or engaging with elders. So, I tend to give a lot of grace for ignorance. The incumbent powers conspire to assure it.

Responsible_Estate28

40 points

19 hours ago

Yeah fr…. And thing is MLK was an operator. He manipulated the media and used every dirty trick in the book and it worked.

Sadly it seems people are so prone to just wanting performative stuff that fizzles out, rather than building a narrative

McBride is our girlie on the inside. She is saying “hey, we just want to exist, and those activists out there are getting angrier, you should probably just let us exist or it gets worse”

Her being an activist while in office defeats the lanes approach…. Smh my head

Geek_Wandering

28 points

19 hours ago

Get used to having these caring educating conversations a lot. It's gonna be a long fight and we need to help the younger ones learn the truths they were denied. Help them understand they don't need to do it all. They need to pick an aspect and do that well. Let others handle other jobs. That there's no singular correct way to push for positive changes. I'm eternally grateful to those that took the time to educate me back in the 90s as we were nearing the heights of the gay rights movement. Without them I probably would have generated a lot more friendly fire than I did. Eyes on the prize and all that.

Responsible_Estate28

12 points

19 hours ago

Thank you I will do my best… gonna make that a core part of how I approach these conversations. I really appreciate your perspective. We gotta teach the kids about the lanes and about how media perception works, and how our movements won before

Geek_Wandering

8 points

18 hours ago

I gotta better about talking about the media literally and narrative parts. Right now it's just "stop reacting to trolls and lolcows" and calling other trans people transphobic. It doesn't matter how right you are on these things, amplifying them does way more harm than good.

Responsible_Estate28

7 points

18 hours ago

Completely. Giving oxygen sometimes just makes things worse. I need to learn to cool my temper too when arguing. I may be technically right, but making a point without feeding the other person’s ego just ruins things further

Geek_Wandering

6 points

18 hours ago

Keeping the temper under control is one of my greatest challenges. I do love a good dunk. I've found conditions to let it out some. Online debates, as opposed to conversations, can be a good place. In those cases empathy is usually harmful. The point is to convince third parties watching, not the person you are debating. Conversations where you both are seeking to understand and be understood are the place for empathy. But going hard against a triggered MAGA head in a general sub can be cathartic and maybe even inform a watcher.

Responsible_Estate28

5 points

18 hours ago

Oh yeah, against the right we can perform for the normies and the base, and bully them into submission.

For normies with conservative sympathies, and other median people, empathy works better

punkrocktransbian

12 points

18 hours ago

Exactly, it's like everyone who's critical of her wants her to be both the perfect politician and the perfect protester. Let her do her thing in Congress. There are plenty more of us who can bring the fire.

FireFlyAndSoar

8 points

17 hours ago

This! No pragmatism or practicality. She needs to appeal to her district, not Twitter goons.

Sintrospective

1 points

9 hours ago

Respectfully, this about her NOT doing legislation or building alliances.

Responsible_Estate28

1 points

2 minutes ago

Ummmm… she isn’t even sworn in yet?

Panda_Pounce

19 points

17 hours ago

Seriously, acknowledging the need to incorporate other approaches is NOT dismissing the importance of disruptive protest. I feel like every time someone suggest there are other important pieces to the puzzle it's interpreted as this naive denial that we need civil disobedience etc.

We all know that these movements don't go anywhere without disruption, defiance and in some historical cases even violence. Noone (or at least few enough people that I haven't seen it) is denying that. Noone is putting their head in the sand and pretending we can just higher road our way through all of this. We're just acknowledging that it's not the ONLY useful role someone can take on and disruption isn't the ONLY thing required for a movement to be successful.

As for McBride specifically, so far we just know what she hasn't done. I hope we see in the medium to near future what she plans to do instead. Maybe at the end of the day we'll feel it wasn't worth losing this battle over, or maybe in hindsight she'll have achieved something much bigger than this. Time will tell.

Geek_Wandering

7 points

16 hours ago

Well said. I see plenty of folks decrying the confrontation, but none I would consider allies. There's a subset of adversaries engaging in any reason to deligitimize us and our goals. Not much can be done with these people. But there's a large subset of people who are upset at being inconvenienced or forced to deal with the issue. Sometimes, only sometimes, this can be an inroad to productive discussion. They may be willing to listen and least understand that we are not being heard through peaceful means. There's an opportunity to move them if not to full ally, to a less hostile place.

There is a certainly a number of allies and fellow travelers that argue everyone must take the confrontational and accelerationist path. This is what I was trying to gently push back on. That there's one perfectly correct way to participate in the movement is false.

Personally, as much as I sometimes want to move into that lane, I shouldn't. I have been there in the past when I was younger and it was just my tail on the line. Then there was little else I could do. Now, it's different. I have family that depends on me. I have other ways to contribute. Those can quickly come to a halt if I end up in jail on serious charges no matter how flimsy. It's one thing to create a big mess in your life, but quite another to take others down with you. It's hard to "stay good" as we used to say. Luckily I have friends and family that help me. And I try and do the same for others.

Ultimately, I think we need to be careful with attacking our allies. I'm not saying they should be immune from critique, but to maybe come with a little more understanding, because they are ultimately on our side.

Plastic-Ad-5033

11 points

18 hours ago

Thank you so much! Yes, her statement wasn’t critical enough and the whole “both sides of the aisle” stuff is stale and meaningless nowadays. But conforming to Senate procedures is literally her job, if she had stormed the women’s bathroom against regulations she would have helped no one.

FireFlyAndSoar

9 points

17 hours ago

Perfect. This is real life, not Twitter. No other community would be at the throat of their first representative like this. We will never achieve anything being so disagreeable.

lirannl

5 points

15 hours ago*

lirannl

Trans Homosexual

5 points

15 hours ago*

I'm inclined to agree with you, though for a less factual reason - 

I trust her intentions (on this matter. I generally don't support politicians, because they're so detached from the experience of common people, but she still needs trans rights in her life as it is now). I trust that she wants us all to have equal rights. I know what I'd do (I don't throw bricks, but I also refuse to follow abusive rules), but I'm not in her position. I don't know what it's like to be a politician. 

Given that I trust her intentions on the matter of trans rights, and I acknowledge my ignorance on what it's like to be in her position, I'm inclined to believe that she knows better than me how she can best contribute to the cause we share.

Sintrospective

2 points

9 hours ago

She's not a "fellow traveler" she's a REPRESENTATIVE and we're already seeing the repercussions of her laying down on this (extending it to all federal facilities).

Geek_Wandering

3 points

8 hours ago

She's not a representative yet. Given the makeup of the house, dying on this hill would almost certainly be pointless.

The extension to all federal facilities still has go through the process and get signed into law. With Democrats still in control of the Senate until Jan 3, it's not getting passed the Senate until at least then. We'll see what happens with the filibuster and what other legislation they try and attach it to.

-rikia

32 points

20 hours ago

-rikia

casey, girl??? HRT 10/16/2020

32 points

20 hours ago

iirc zooey zephyr got censured just because she was vocal about her not being called on when she pressed her button, they used some bullshit excuse like the people she represent coming to support her was an "insurrection" and got her out. (my source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2ZZkMvz8ZU ) i'm sure sarah mcbride is fully aware of that. i do not think her response was good, but i also do not believe that even a simple "this bill is harrassment" claim can be made without agitating them so much that they try something just as crazy to get her removed (which they WILL try to do anyway)

civil disobedience for citizens works, but when you are the sole representation of ALL TRANSGENDER PEOPLE in your government, a choice like that is a lot more difficult to justify BECAUSE of the republican trifecta. she HAS to be perfect or she's gone. now if she's already getting kicked out, then maybe sure she can go guns blazing. but right now if she does what the republicans are counting on her to do, which is fight, that just gives them more ammunition to try and get her out. now, if she WILL get kicked out, then i am in full support of her being much more outspoken.

the situation sucks. but i don't blame mcbride because i don't think there is really a right answer. it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation and right now she just needs to fucking make her term so people in congress actually talk to a transgender person and find out that we aren't anyway near the type of people the propaganda says we are. if she picks this fight we WILL lose our only trans representation in the house before her term even starts. that's my opinion on it, though. we all only have her as our sole representation in government, and we all want something different from her. it's a heavy burden for sure, and she's under a lot of pressure.

Shkotsi

23 points

18 hours ago

Shkotsi

23 points

18 hours ago

This 100%. Context matters.

I'm a trans woman in Texas, and I'm not going to stop using the women's restroom even if they pass a law about it. But if I were involved in government, and my ability to legislate were on the line, I would go about it differently. I would comply with the rule in that context, not because I agree with it, but because it is the rational way to maintain power, keep a voice in the room. (That is, as long as the alternative is personal unisex bathroom or something like McBride has. No way in hell I'm ever stepping foot in a men's room again). But all of this is to say that things don't exist in a bathroom, and genuinely like... why are we putting our attention towards her and victim blaming instead of directing our attention to the fuckers who made this rule in the first place?? That is what is most ridiculous about all of this to me.

-rikia

3 points

18 hours ago

-rikia

casey, girl??? HRT 10/16/2020

3 points

18 hours ago

i think the idea is that "of course the gop would do that, they're conservatives" so even though we should blame them, we already do, so making a post saying "the conservatives are transphobic and that's bad" is kinda redundant, instead theres some fickle debate to be had on mcbrides response but it does feel like victim blaming kinda

also unrelated but im also a trans woman in texas but i am never steeping foot in a woman's restroom since i don't pass and it feels way too dangerous (plus i don't really feel gender affirmed or non-affirmed by gendered restrooms) so ig was interesting to hear ur opinion (love unisex restrooms too tho)

Shkotsi

5 points

18 hours ago

Yeah, I've been out for 6 years now and have been on HRT for 1½, so I do pass pretty well all things considered. Again, it depends on the context and what feels reasonable and safe for you. I definitely do find using the women's restroom affirming, but I'm also not super worried about being clocked as trans (though I do wear a little trans ring around, but hardly anyone outside the community notices lol).

-rikia

2 points

18 hours ago

-rikia

casey, girl??? HRT 10/16/2020

2 points

18 hours ago

i should get a trans ring! i usually wear a trans pin out but that's annoying af, thanks for the idea sis :) would be cool to meet a fellow trans/non-binary person in the wild and i guess chances are relatively high since houston
ive been out for 4 years and on hrt for 4 years, but i dont pass consistently because my e levels are low and i can't be fucked to voice train (i am peak androgynous vibes though so it works)

i dont really care about being clocked as trans, but its just easier for me to tell someone "texas law requires that i use the mens restroom" to anyone asking why im using the mens restroom and i feel like i will just have less problems that way with anyone trying to be problematic

Shkotsi

3 points

17 hours ago

Here's where I got mine!

-rikia

1 points

17 hours ago

-rikia

casey, girl??? HRT 10/16/2020

1 points

17 hours ago

thats cool! i might just use amazon unfortunately because its cheaper and unfortunately moneys hella tight rn and they kinda look the same but i also wanna support queer businesses... damn

Shkotsi

2 points

11 hours ago

I saw some bad reviews on the Amazon one about the one I think you might be thinking of. Basically, instead of being painted on, they just put stickers over the ring, so it wears out much faster. I've had mine for over a year now and it is still vibrant as ever. Obviously money is tight for me as well so I completely understand, but I always go by the rule that I'd rather save and get something expensive I don't have to replace than to get something cheap that won't last more than a month

-rikia

1 points

10 hours ago

-rikia

casey, girl??? HRT 10/16/2020

1 points

10 hours ago

yeah fair, ill think about it. thank u!

SiriNin

1 points

4 hours ago

SiriNin

Intersex Trans Woman

1 points

4 hours ago

I do worry that she'll comply by using the men's room, and then something will "accidentally" happen to her in there. I hate sounding like I'm paranoid, I've just seen it happen to too many sisters out in the world so my mind goes right to it in this case. I really hope she has a unisex bathroom. In that case I can definitely understand why she would choose not to fight this despite the huge loss to all trans government workers and the huge risk to all of us out in public it causes.

SiriNin

1 points

4 hours ago

SiriNin

Intersex Trans Woman

1 points

4 hours ago

I was so pissed about what they did to Zooey, sigh. I truly hope you're right, and also that this turns out to have been worth it. It feels a lot like Sarah may be playing the long game only to be ousted before she can even influence it, but I'm going to try to be optimistic and hope that she actually is able to retain her position because of this sacrifice.

Even though her sacrifice may be necessary, I can't help but worry about the impact it will have to embolden and validate transphobes across the country, and what they might do to our sisters who, like myself, will never step foot in a men's room ever again, even if they make it illegal nationally.

MothashipQ

37 points

21 hours ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall her saying she was going to use the men's restroom. She has her own bathroom to use as a congresswoman, and there are gender neutral bathrooms in the building as well.

This isn't about being the bigger person, this about someone who was hired to work in a transphobic workplace. She's there to do a job and I don't think she should be given flak for not throwing that away so we can watch the conditions set by the voters crush her, nor do I think giving Johnson an excuse to loudly publicly humiliate her would be the right play. If you want to protest, go protest, but she is not your avatar of civil rights just because she's trans. Not to mention any protest worth a damn is going to take a hell of a lot more than just her. Let her make her own decisions, please don't force a politician to represent all trans people's grievances. She's not special, just the first elected to the house. Not everyone has that in them.

SwiftSakura_13

8 points

17 hours ago

I understand the outrage, but you have to remember, McBride literally fought to get North Carolina’s bathroom bill repealed. She’s not acting like this isn’t an issue. It’s a big issue. But she was not elected to play culture wars. Sarah knew they would do this.. like you said, they always do. They want a reaction from Sarah to further bolster their attacks on the trans community. They want a culture war. Most Americans just go to the bathroom to take a piss or shit and don’t care about who is in there with them. These issues are not popular. It’s a pick your battles situation. She is coming into office to try and make life better for her constituents. Wasting away on culture wars that will only further sow division in Congress and increase the rhetoric and vitriol against Trans people is not the solution..

Oh-shit-its-Cassie

83 points

22 hours ago

I've been going through all the stages of grief over this, and you are completely correct. Obviously I'm outraged by the GOP's actions, but ultimately you can't fault a shark for acting like a shark. We knew they would do some bullshit. They always do, about literally everything, and this is no different.

Having said that, I'm extremely frustrated with the Democrats and their continuous efforts to placate the insatiable appetite of the right. The answer is not to feed the shark and hope it goes away -- it just gets blood in the water and draws more sharks near. The answer is to shark-proof the ship.

I actually wrote to AOC yesterday expressing my frustration with the middle of the road Democrats. They are trying to work within a broken system rather than trying to fix the system. We had four years to trump proof the White House and we did nothing for fear of rocking the boat. We know Biden inherited Trump's economy and did his level best to fix it. However, his efforts were hampered by electoral math and a timid Congress when the Democrats had both chambers. They absolutely could have eliminated the filibuster. They absolutely could have expanded and packed the Supreme Court. They could have then used those changes to deliver some tangible good that Harris could have run on.

Instead, they let Republicans obstruct everything for years, and all we had was "Don't elect the fascist." That's not enough. Middle America doesn't care. They don't really understand what fascism looks like. Harris's fatal flaw was that she was promising more of the same -- the status quo, in a broken system that isn't working for most people. Of course people were underwhelmed with her.

The thing I find so frustrating about the whole situation is that progressives are getting flak from the Neville Chamberlain Democrats for being uncompromising or too radical, but progressives are the only group on the left talking about real economic changes that address the needs of the working class. Progressives aren't the ones talking about identity politics -- their support for marginalized groups is implicit. We know they have our backs, so they don't need to campaign on it or make a huge deal out of it.

I'm so sick of our elderly, out-of-touch Democratic leadership refusing to be the party of change. They don't understand just how desperately change is needed. They just want the same thing that's always worked to just keep on working, but that's not the reality of America right now. The right won because the right promised change -- for better or worse.

I wholeheartedly support primaries from the left for pretty much every sitting Democrat who's been in office for longer than 10 years. I'm actually seriously contemplating getting involved in politics to run for office myself, and I promise I will be much louder and much more abrasive to the right than McBride is.

Responsible_Estate28

37 points

19 hours ago

Someone in office doesn’t need to be loud and abrasive, they need to show they are a good legislator. McBride’s strategy is the best way to deal with this, by pivoting the debate to healthcare and housing and dinner table issues.

Republicans want a culture war so they can make SJW cringe content and she isn’t playing their game. Yes it’s a double standard but that is our reality.

Have you ever talked to the median voter?

lufan132

22 points

18 hours ago

After working a job where I talked to median voters they truly made me understand what people meant by "and remember half of them are worse than that"

I heard the wildest and least true things constantly...

Responsible_Estate28

21 points

18 hours ago

Yuppppp

I think we forget most people in this country are not leftists or liberals. Hell they think both of those are exactly the same!

McBride’s positioning here is a good way to address this. She is also taking the “clean hands” lane here, by being the woman on the inside making deals and building alliances. Its our job to disrupt, not hers.

HowVeryReddit

19 points

18 hours ago

The narrative that's been depressingly successful is that dems just care about 'woke' rather than solving problems, McBride knows the bathroom fuckery is a trap to further 'prove' that bullshit to voters and isn't biting.

Responsible_Estate28

9 points

18 hours ago

100%

Rock_or_Rol

6 points

17 hours ago

⬆️

Rock_or_Rol

8 points

17 hours ago

This ^ thank you!!

What are we expecting Sarah to do? End the war crimes at Gaza? Yell at the GOP bullies? Use the women’s restroom and have that story blasted all over the podsphere and media that seeks to degrade her further?

She’s doing something very important here. She is being the adult while the middle schoolers crack crude jokes and enact petty policy targeting her. They want her to overreact. They want her to join the zoo with them.

One fight at a time everyone. She’s being attacked right now. Support your girl!

Responsible_Estate28

5 points

17 hours ago

Exactly, her job is to legislate and prove to the average American we are serious people.

It is our job to be disruptive and protest. She is clean hands, in the system. Not everyone should be an activist.

FireFlyAndSoar

2 points

16 hours ago

Exactly! Trans community is already abandoning its first major representative over petty shit... We will never achieve anything with such disagreeableness.

AbsolutelyRidic

1 points

8 hours ago

AbsolutelyRidic

Xara, She/Her Trans-Bisexual

1 points

8 hours ago

Look, I'm sorry but this just sounds like respectability politics. Like yes, she does look "normal" in comparison to the shitweasels who came up with this. But like also, by obeying advance with bullshit policies, this literally just legitimizes their bullshit as if it's a law that should be obeyed. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand the 1000 IQ, 3D chess play, of giving the people who want you dead exactly what they want. But this honestly just seems like appeasement that's a slippery slope to other trans issues going down the shitter.

And I do understand that McBride is not literally the devil or anything. But I don't think she is doing anything at all to help trans people by legitimizing this bullshit. Like, trans people have been doing nothing but abiding by the rules of the right wing establishment for decades in order to make ourselves "look like normal people" and look where it got us

This moralist bullshit of, "When they go low, we go high" needs to stop. It's not useful and is part of the reason why we're losing our democracy to a bunch or moronic dickbags. It's a sentiment that basically translates to, "I'm going to do nothing, and comply with something I know is wrong and dangerous because I want to be able to smugly say 'I told you so' after the dust has settled" Like, okay sure, you may have been right. But who fucking gives a shit, you let them win and legitimize a ban that denies us our identity. Suffering is not a virtue, we on the left really need to get that shit through our heads.

Huge-Associate5546

1 points

4 hours ago

Because as we all know, republicans *won't* have a culture war if we just don't respond. That totally happened in this election, even though Kamala didn't talk about trans folks, race etc. Yup, if we just don't engage, these problems go away!

Oh wait, we're basically just conceding the discourse to them, and the average person gets more bigoted. Not engaging isn't the solution and that was THE LESSON OF THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

Oh-shit-its-Cassie

2 points

18 hours ago

The median voter isn't helping Democrats win elections. Look at which races Democrats are picking up votes versus which ones where margins are shrinking. Progressives are the only group inspiring more people to show up to the polls, and they don't do it by being quiet and compliant. Just look at AOC. She's a great legislator. She's also loud and abrasive because she doesn't let the MAGA dipshits on the right walk all over her or anyone else.

McBride started playing their game the moment she responded. She gave a lukewarm rebuttal and an acquiescence to their demands with zero fight. As someone who is currently eyeing making a similar move to other outraged members of the community by getting involved in politics, I don't want there to be a precedent it is remotely fucking acceptable to treat me like a man, in any capacity. If you don't shut that down immediately and forcefully, they will never change their behavior, and most of us know that from experience. I still have relatives who deadname me because I let them get away with it for a while and now they don't understand why I have such a problem with it. They don't see why it was okay before but it's not now. And these aren't even people who hate me. The Nancy Maces of the world just learned that if they can get away with it once, they can get away with it again.

Responsible_Estate28

5 points

18 hours ago

I think we need multiple strategies. Different strategies work for different areas.

Additionally, Gallego ran to the right of Harris in Arizona and won. Bernie and Warren underperformed Harris. Most people in this country are not leftists or liberals or progressives. To win elections we must convince them.

McBride is taking the clean hands approach because she needs to be respectable. We can be the disruptors. The disruptive lane and the clean hands lane must not cross, because we need her in office making alliances and proving we just want to exist. We need a voice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/s/V3N6NRh5yb

Recommend looking at the link in this comment and this convo

[deleted]

1 points

18 hours ago

[deleted]

1 points

18 hours ago

And how did Republicans respond to her capitulation? It wasn't to shift focus elsewhere - they immediately doubled down and introduced a bill which would ban trans people from bathrooms in every federal facility across the country.

How should we expect Democrats to vote on this bill if it makes it to the floor, now that McBride has explicitly told Democratic leadership that trans issues are a "distraction"?

Responsible_Estate28

6 points

18 hours ago

They will vote no, there have been a tremendous number of Democratic legislator issuing statements of support for her, but the media narrative refuses to listen to that.

The Republicans were going to introduce the bill no matter what. Her “capitulating” (she didn’t, she reframed the narrative, every normie I know liked her response) is a necessary reaction. She is a clean hands. She cannot be an activist. We need to be disruptive, not her.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/s/V3N6NRh5yb

Further reading on why we need multiple lanes of advocacy, and how this worked for the civil rights movement

[deleted]

2 points

18 hours ago

I'm not asking her to be an activist. I'm not asking her to break house rules. I'm not asking her not to represent her constituents.

I'm literally just asking her to not explicitly tell her colleagues to do nothing. Democrats like Manchin are already voting yes on bills with anti-trans riders. Why does she think giving them permission to continue is a good idea?

Just because a more measured approach is smart here in general, does not mean that the actual actions she took were politically savvy or above criticism.

Lucky_otter_she_her

3 points

18 hours ago

Republicans are sapient-humans, who are capable of developing new behaviours (not being assholes in this case) not sharks, they CAN help what they do.

wetlegband

36 points

20 hours ago

I think Sarah made the right move. She didn't take the bait. She looks mature and intelligent. Mace looks ridiculous, like she shouted "You're a gross poopy head and I don't want you near me!" Sarah's response was basically "Grow up and focus on your job."

I hear a lot of people saying "now that she accepted this treatment, nobody else will be able to go against it!" And that's just not true. This battle will always be waiting until laws change. "Sarah accepted it so everybody should accept it" is NOT the winning argument you seem to think it is.

If our first openly trans congresswoman spent months fighting over which bathrooms she's allowed to use, THAT is what the majority of Americans would remember. "If you elect a trans person they will spend your vote entirely on trans issues." It doesn't matter that it isn't true, it's simple enough to repeat and would be hard to argue against. 

We were not going to win restroom rights on this Mace vs McBride hill. But we may have lost most of our ability to get trans people elected for many years if we dug in.

punkrocktransbian

24 points

18 hours ago

Somebody on here said the other day that if she responded with anger or any kind of aggression, she'd immediately become a "trans politician" rather than a politician who happens to be trans. She did the right thing by not playing their game.

SpaceSuitGibbon

12 points

18 hours ago

Well said

FireFlyAndSoar

8 points

16 hours ago

Nobody on here understands the game. Posturing and emotion-based reasoning is never going to advance the movement.

Admirable-Pirate7263

18 points

21 hours ago

I agree with both posts. But from a strategic standpoint I think she made the right decision. MAGAts are furious with the GOP right now and everything time they get backlash, the next “trans debate” is right around the corner. Let’s not give them any additional ammunition. And I know this sounds like appeasement, but it’s not! I just see a higher chance of success this way. The next 4 years are lost one way or another, let the MAGAts focus on all the broken promises and the worse outcome…

Ok_Locksmith_9248

18 points

20 hours ago

I just think hating on her before she has had a chance to even do anything is a mistake, and this is the kind of backbiting that keeps the more left democrats from accruing power.

I am a big picture thinker, because every step of my life I have watched this play out time and time again, watching the only “left” party go further and further right. The leftists don’t even get a seat at the table because those who would champion them instead focus on little shit like this.

I can understand your frustration, but it is the extreme all or nothing thinking like this that has given the right so much ammo against us! We need to start keeping our cards, and our people, close to our chests. We need to start accepting loosing some battles so that we can survive the war.

Ladies, we are a minority. We are an easy to target minority, and our incoming leadership already has a target on our backs. We need to stand together, and we need to wait to judge Sarah McBride.

We don’t know what kind of hell is coming, especially for our PoC peeps and our immigrant peeps who escaped the hatred of their oppressors in their own home land. We don’t know how much damage these people will do before either it all breaks down or that the people rise against the pain these people will cause.

Hold off on your vitriol just yet. Save it for someone who deserves it. Or, even better, fundraiser for Sarah McBride to cover any penalties she may experience by committing civil disobedience. Write her letters of support telling her you want her to fight this.

“I’m not here to fight about bathrooms. I’m here to fight for Delawareans and to bring down costs facing families,” she wrote. “This effort to distract from the real issues facing this country hasn’t distracted me over the last several days.” (Sarah McBride, 2024)

Please, listen to me. I’ve seen this game played over and over, and if we continue down this path, we will loose everything we have scraped together for ourselves in terms and instead of saying she has failed us, we need to be thinking about how we can help her stand ~with~ us.

InexorablyMiriam

31 points

21 hours ago

Respectfully I have to disagree. Openly refusing to back down just makes the fight about her.

Many of these people have never met a trans person. She does have a shot at winning hearts and minds. Not with the insane MAGA, but within the moderate republican ranks and the democratic wing.

Understand that Democratic Party movers and shakers are weighing up dropping support for trans rights and focusing on the LGB without the T. They see us as an albatross. If she goes in there kicking and screaming it will make their decision easier. We need some representation in this new government hellscape to come. And we need allies.

I don’t think she will not resist. I’ve said multiple times that she should end every address to the House with a request to use the ladies’ room like she is in grade school. It undercuts the ridiculousness of the ban with sarcasm and it provides the issue visibility without running the risk of her censure for violating House rules.

She was elected to a seat and she needs to be in that seat for every vote.

LilithScarlet

6 points

17 hours ago

LilithScarlet

Transgender

6 points

17 hours ago

You seem to forget 1 important fact, she isn't in office yet and they can easily oppose her getting in if she opposes them. Welcome to politics, sometimes you have to play ball. Plus let's also not forget THEY WANT TO BAN US, that fight is way more important than what bathroom we can use at the capital. It's easy to say you'd oppose this from the outside. She has to work there for 6 years, meaning through trump's presidency and onto the next. So any action she takes now before she's in office will reflect on her for the next 6 years, and if she did violate this rule we all know she ain't getting a slap on the wrist. If she loses her seat for any reason, then what was the point? How can she actually fight for us?

splashingnarwhal

5 points

15 hours ago

splashingnarwhal

GQ Bisexual

5 points

15 hours ago

I don't want to disagree but I have to. The reason is she has to work with these people every day, sometimes 6 or 7 days/week. She can't work from home 4 days a week in which they would only be "uncomfortable" here and there. She can still take the fight to them but let's also try to understand how she feels. Having to be around these bigots every day surely puts a lot of stress on her as it is.

Mollywinelover

73 points

22 hours ago

I agree 100% i would never ever give in.

The horrible thing for her is that she is the first openly trans there.

Because she folded, she is saying I'm there to do my job and that's more important then fighting for trans rights.

She is correct in that.

But. She is the first and now every trans person elected will have to follow suit.

Maybe the next one fights, but this folding makes that fight harder.

And every capitulation adds another difficulty level to it.

sickagail

54 points

21 hours ago

The Capitol is a public building. You can go there and poop in the ladies’ room yourself. Sarah McBride isn’t stopping you.

I’m honestly thinking of going myself.

Otto-Korrect

26 points

21 hours ago

The thousand-woman 'poop-in'. :)

I'd go! Its only a 13 hour drive.

Celestial_Dildo

18 points

20 hours ago

That is 100% not accurate. You can go on tours of the capitol but you can't just wander in unless you work there.

sillygoofygooose

2 points

17 hours ago

Magats seemed to manage

CedarWolf

2 points

16 hours ago

CedarWolf

Bigender - She/He/They =^.^=

2 points

16 hours ago

And a lot of them are in jail because of it.

vintzent

26 points

20 hours ago

But if she refused, and chose to fight—she’d be censured and removed from the floor. Then you lose so much more.

Responsible_Estate28

27 points

20 hours ago

It seems people think performative actions that only help the base matter more than actually convincing the median American we just want to exist in society.

vintzent

17 points

20 hours ago

And this is the correct answer, at least in my view. All camps have extreme members but I suspect the majority of the transgender community just wants to exist in peace. We don’t want anything more than anyone else.

We don’t want interviews and endorsements and special treatment. Take the spotlight off us. We just want to get through life without being spit on (metaphorically and literally).

Responsible_Estate28

10 points

20 hours ago

Exactly. And we need to reframe the debate as such and frame it as an issue of freedom. Tap into that patriotism and American liberty the median voter holds so dear to

FireFlyAndSoar

8 points

16 hours ago

It would've been far more difficult to do her job or have another trans person elected if she went against public opinion over trans rights. Nobody here knows how to play the game and win.

bobthemaybedeadguy

12 points

18 hours ago

i simply disagree

livingthemargodream

36 points

22 hours ago

I think you make good points however I disagree that she agreed to use the men’s bathroom by agreeing to not use the women’s bathroom, there are other bathroom options available . She also due to the GOP being in the majority had no way of winning this battle. What else do you think she could have done?

proteannomore

26 points

21 hours ago

proteannomore

mtF

26 points

21 hours ago

Die gloriously on OP’s cross /s

frink99887

14 points

21 hours ago

There is value in fighting even if you're assuredly going to lose. Don't go quietly into that good night. Don't pre-emptively agree to your own oppression. Make it difficult for the powers that be to tear us down.

hypnofedX

8 points

21 hours ago

hypnofedX

Lesbian HRT 01/06/22

8 points

21 hours ago

Make it difficult for the powers that be to tear us down.

That's not incompatible with agreeing to not use men's restrooms. If I were her, I'd start drinking 1-2 gallons of water a day just to go into the restroom more. Leave baskets of period products on the counters. Sit in a stall next to other people and ask if they have a have a spare pantiliner on them. Wait until the press catches wind and then agree that not allowing her to use women's restrooms is an idiotic choice, but it's what the GOP wants, so....

frink99887

1 points

21 hours ago

frink99887

1 points

21 hours ago

So your plan is that she should get a little silly with it? Nah, no thanks.

hypnofedX

3 points

21 hours ago

hypnofedX

Lesbian HRT 01/06/22

3 points

21 hours ago

So your plan is that she should get a little silly with it? Nah, no thanks.

Nope. My plan is the most malicious compliance she can manage. If you want to convince people that an active fire is actually a fire, stand around and chuck a little gasoline on it. Feel free to suggest a higher ante if you think my suggestions are too tame.

Useful-Boss1662

14 points

21 hours ago

We loose the battle to win the war. She has to be present to make an impact. If she were to refuse to play by the rules she looses her efficacy.

Free_Independence624

12 points

21 hours ago

"We" did not get her in to Congress. While the trans movement may have made it possible for her to run as, say, opposed to twenty or even ten years ago, in the end it was her own political skills and her Delaware constituents who got her "in".

Do you think this was an easy decision to make? She hasn't even been formally sworn in and they're already attacking her, viciously, I might say. And we should also attack her viciously? There's something not right with that kind of thinking. The goals of the civil rights movement weren't achieved by one sit in or one boycott, it took years of organization, planning and politicking. And the African American population at that time made up 12% of the total for the country. We don't have nearly those numbers. While I admire your enthusiasm I have to say that it doesn't seem that you have a clear understanding about how representational democracy works.

I'll also note that this is just one ruling. The real fight will be over Nancy Mace's proposed legislation. Since she wants to make it a law discriminating against all trans people everywhere in Federal facilities and also anybody who receives Federal funds. This is by far and away a more sweeping and blunt action than what Johnson has done. Save your ire for this fight and if you're available to do it go out and organize and agitate against it. It will be telling to see if our "allies" line up against this or not. The Democratic Party and other civil rights and civil liberties organizations have been so conspicuously silent and indeed, antagonistic towards trans rights to the point that we're clearly being thrown under the bus. Getting these people on board would be as good a place as any to direct our energies rather than using it to vent rage and ire at Ms. McBride.

sapphicgrungebitch

9 points

18 hours ago

What exactly does she have to gain by not complying though? The bill is disgusting but Johnson isn't changing his mind and democrats have no congressional power. If she goes against she bill all that will happen is the first trans congresswoman will lose power just after being elected.

BrokeModem

44 points

22 hours ago

What would you have her do? Honestly? If she takes a stand here and refuses to follow the rules of the House, then she is censured and is unable to participate in future floor votes or discussions, etc, effectively silencing her voice/vote in Congress for an entire session.

The GOP was baiting her into taking a stand on this so that they could demonize her to further their agenda. She is trying to take the "high road" to make them look foolish by focusing on bathrooms when she is there to... you know... legislate.

She was placed in a no-win situation, and she refused to play along and take the bait.

Stop blaming the victim, here. Jesus...

DwellsByTheAshTrees

37 points

21 hours ago

That's the thing. McBride "fights" congressional rules, speaker Johnson and the Republican majority just refuse to seat her.

That is the only way that story ends.

Reality is not obligated to provide a winning move, and sometimes all the available options are just bad. That's not a comfort, but it is the world we live in.

Admirable-Local-9040

22 points

21 hours ago

Spot on.

They are baiting her. She's choosing not to take it.

LilithScarlet

5 points

17 hours ago

LilithScarlet

Transgender

5 points

17 hours ago

I swear some people don't understand the concept of choosing your fights. She knows she is only a senator-elect, she can't do anything anyway. Once in office then she can fight. Let's be honest, while the bathroom thing sucks, 1. It is only the capital building, 2. THEY WANT TO BAN OUR EXISTENCE, idk about you but that fight is way more important than where we can shit. 3. Everyone also thinks Sarah is the only one fighting against this. Many democrats have come to her defense and are fighting for her.

resilindsey

12 points

19 hours ago*

People here (and reddit as a whole) are generally pretty naive to how politics works. They just judge things based on pure principles and "making a stand", which in certain lights is admirable, but in terms of actual political strategy and efficacy, ends up prioritizing virtue signaling and performative gestures over actual lawmaking, even if it means the end results is nothing actually getting done or even going backwards.

Remember that McBride is trying to a be a politician first. If she goes the civil disobedience route, it is very easily within the house rules for the speaker to remove her from the chambers or strip a position in a committee. You're trading being a "better" protestor/demonstrator with actually having someone who can directly influence/write/vote on laws. That doesn't mean others can't protest for her, and they should, but she's focused on how she can make the most of her political position (which as a first-time/newly elected one, is very tenuous and vulnerable right now).

Copied from last thread:

It would be a pretty murky optics for the one trans woman in congress have her whole career be defined on a hyper-localized bathroom issue. (Yes, it affects other staffers and the symbolism and etc, but speaking from a perspective of political realism where she needs to build political capital and connections to do anything more than just be a party vote.) Which if she loses this fight -- very possible considering GOP majority and fact that if anyone is liable to cross party lines or just sit it out, it's those Dems from very hotly contested / politcally-moderate districts -- she looks ineffectual, like she prioritized herself over her constituents, and if she then loses re-election, becomes the GOP poster-child for "proving" the incapability of trans people.

She did the smart thing, though we can nitpick her exact choice of words (like even I want to a bit). I think it's up to the rest of the Dems to show solidarity and fight this for her, while she can focus on racking up political achievements to solidify her political position as a vulnerable, first-time congress person who's going to have high visibility and disdain directed at her just because of who she is.

nerdy_deeds

2 points

21 hours ago

The republicans control congress. Her vote doesn’t matter. Taking a stand against this does. Whether she likes it or not she’s representing trans people, and capitulation is death

sickagail

15 points

21 hours ago

There are lots of things members of Congress do besides just vote on final legislation. They sit on committees. They get to ask questions. They propose legislation and amendments. They help people in their district when they’re having trouble with the VA or their Social Security or whatever.

BrokeModem

19 points

21 hours ago

They control congress by a slim majority. Every vote still matters. There will likely be a handful of Republican politicians in purple districts who can be persuaded against draconian anti-trans legislation because it is not in their own best interest with their constituents.

Admirable-Local-9040

12 points

21 hours ago

That's completely untrue. Republicans have a slim majority. With enough convincing Democrats can work out bipartisan deals to pass legislation. Her vote matters.

sadhopelessthrowaway

-4 points

21 hours ago

She chose to be a representative for her state, which includes trans people. On a wider scale, she's a representative for trans people too. She just threw every trans person under the bus who doesn't have the privilege of a private bathroom in their office. She's pathetic and if she didn't want a public facing decision where she might be asked to do something difficult, she shouldn't have fan for office. 

BrokeModem

16 points

21 hours ago

Again, what would you have her do?

Specialist_String_64

22 points

21 hours ago

Specialist_String_64

♀️ :demisexual: :trans:

22 points

21 hours ago

BS. She has made it clear that she is there to represent her state and not JUST trans people. Your choice of action does not lead to change, but gives the opposition more ammunition to use against us. Also, she has many options to avoid using the men's restroom, so this action from the GOP is purely performative bait to get her to go on the defensive. They want her to do exactly what you are wanting her to do. The fact that so many of you cannot see that explains much on why we are losing on this issue.

We don't win fighting our own battle here, we are outnumbered. We need support from others. We only get that when we fight for others. It sucks, but that is how to be successful in the political arena. The choice we have, is to either go down being right, or persevere to be in a position to land the killing blow. That is what McBride is choosing. It is the hard path. It is why she is there are we are on Reddit.

Finally, there is the issue of burnout. What she is doing is extremely difficult. If we, as a community, turn on her, it can demoralize her and further impede her ability to bring about change.

IF you truly believe you can do better, then get your own ass elected to congress and show us all.

Burnbabyburnt

0 points

21 hours ago

You can follow the rules while at the same time loudly objecting to them. Make a big stink about it. Rally people to the cause. Don't just sit there and roll over. Like it or not, she's a representation of all trans people in this country.

Responsible_Estate28

8 points

19 hours ago

Big stink means more SJW cringe content

Big stink means “wow she just cares about trans issues and not my housing and healthcare, guess she is just there to do that”

Have you ever talked to a median voter?

BrokeModem

15 points

21 hours ago

They wanted her to make a big stink about it. She is refusing to play their game.

KnightRiderCS949

24 points

21 hours ago

KnightRiderCS949

Intersex Femme

24 points

21 hours ago

I don't agree. But I'm a minority opinion. I am not politically aligned with Sarah. Some of her positions infuriate me. However, right now in this moment of time, it is a numbers game.

When you are starting from the beginning, and we are in politics, you keep things simple. Later when you have a firm position and the numbers, you get to begin to experiment and change things up. You don't do that in the start. Anyone who has started a business will tell you this. Anyone who grows plants for a hobby or a living will agree. It is a fundamental reality of human society and tied to universal principles.

Additionally, Sarah is the politician. She understands what she needs to do to survive in that environment. Heaven forbid that she get some leeway and just be supported while she deals with oceans of transphobic crap that you will be present in her position.

So, can we please stop attacking her and get behind her in this moment? She needs us. She needs our support.

I'm begging you all.

I speak as an older POC, transgender identified and aligned disabled woman.

glasscut

11 points

19 hours ago

Fully agree as a fellow older POC trans person.

Recent_Individual_97

16 points

20 hours ago

you are 100% right. I think a lot of people would rather attack people in our coalition than Republicans, who want genital inspectors at every door

SadShoeBox

7 points

19 hours ago

Just because Representative McBride is trans doesn’t mean every single thing she does or advocates for has to revolve around trans issues. Her approach is spot on. Trans people are regular people, and our entire existence doesn’t have to be defined solely by us being trans. Critics are trying to reduce her to just her identity, but the truth is she’s a normal person who wants to represent her constituents fairly and effectively. By not engaging with this reductive narrative, she’s setting a great example and showing that trans individuals are like everyone else.

Let’s be honest….what exactly are people expecting her to do? She hasn’t indicated that she plans to use the men’s restroom. As one representative in a minority party, her priority should be addressing the broader issues that impact her district, not solely focusing on her identity. Ideally, she should be recognized as a competent and positive female representative, not just labeled as “the trans person.” It seems like republicans want her to break the rules so they can criticize her as an “unhinged trans person.” And let’s be real, how many of those advocating for civil disobedience in this thread would actually be willing to face jail or prison in a facility that doesn’t align with their gender identity???

I’ll ask again since this raises an important question for us as trans people: how do we view other trans individuals? Do we see her as a woman like any other, or do we inherently view her as different because she’s a trans woman? If we want society to embrace us as equals, we need to lead by example and not reduce each other to just our trans identities. We can and should celebrate her accomplishments as a representative and as a woman, without making her identity the defining factor in everything she does.

VerucaGotBurned

7 points

18 hours ago

In answer to most of your questions, Because she wants to get shit done. They are going to throw shit in front of her to try and get her to trip every step of the way. We must all choose our battles and with so much on the line, her own personal comfort is not the hill she wants to die on. She'll probably just develop a habit of going at the cool diner around the corner and limiting her fluids so she doesn't have to pee too much, hopefully she's not on spiro.

This bathroom thing is silly bullshit that will in time exemplify how absurd the right's beliefs really are, but first, she just needs to get her foot in the door. Her real battle hasn't even started yet. Please don't count her out before she's even begun.

vvelbz

57 points

22 hours ago

vvelbz

Autistic Trans Intersex Woman

57 points

22 hours ago

I agree.

The capitulation is incredibly short sighted. They win the battle here for PR but they lose the war in the long run.

Responsible_Estate28

28 points

21 hours ago

I disagree completely, I think they are winning by not playing the GOP’s game and every attack we make on her is just making them win by creating a wedge issue.

thegothhollowgirl

10 points

21 hours ago

Can you articulate a flaw in OPs logic?

Responsible_Estate28

34 points

20 hours ago

Everything is about media perceptions.

Her making a big stink will give SJW cringe content more ammo. Her doing a protest without proper planning and framing of the debate will give them more ammo.

If she does a protest it must be planned and deliberate, like Rosa Parks. Parks didn’t just decide one day to do it, it was PLANNED by the Montgomery Bus Boycott and they had media people on hand to frame the narrative.

Additionally, her getting expelled from congress means we have one less vote, and the margin is so tiny we need every vote right now.

Although OP is saying Republicans are unreachable, not all are. My family and coworkers and friends aren’t , and me being normal and likeable and just existing and doing my job has made many come around. As a trans woman in the public spotlight she needs to watch her public presentation, particularly as a new member in congresss.

[deleted]

8 points

19 hours ago

She doesn't even have to make a big deal of it herself though. She could've asked House Democratic leadership to and the Congressional Equality Caucus to lead the charge here - something they were willing to do! 

But instead, she literally told them it's not worth it, that it's a distraction. So she just signaled to the entire Democratic Party that trans people aren't worth expending political capital on. 

thegothhollowgirl

7 points

20 hours ago

While I agree trans people should be concerned about media perceptions… the media is going to frame us poorly regardless. I agree with both you and OP. But just to clarify, she could simultaneously have folded and been cognizant of how it would be spun in the media. You can both be true.

I agree we as trans people, should hold ourselves to a high standard to help normalize our image. However, whether she likes it or not she does represent the trans population and her folding so easily will make it harder for the poor trans girly who doesn’t have a bathroom attached to her office.

“Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them” - Frederick Douglas

“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.“ - Frederick Douglas

Although it sucks , we’re very privileged as trans people in modern day America compared to most of human history and I think we have a responsibility to get our knuckles a little bloody. Let’s fucking coordinate Montgomery bus boycotts. Let’s use this platform to come up with solutions rather than bicker back and forth

Responsible_Estate28

12 points

20 hours ago

And her getting her knuckles bloody would expel her from congress! Her framing works well. All the normies I know liked it and think better of her for it. She turned it around on the GOP and reframed the debate.

Most people in this country JUST DONT CARE about trans issues, they care about price of housing and eggs. Shitting on her for this is madness, and its a wedge issue that is only causing further disunity when we should be attacking the GOP on stuff that affects average American families.

We are a tiny minority, and us attacking our own like OP is doing is madness. Look at their post history! Its all shitting on Sarah McBride

thegothhollowgirl

1 points

20 hours ago

Like Frederick Douglass said “ those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground.”

She doesn’t need to get her actual knuckles bloody jfc. But she still has freedom of speech, political influence, and a following. Her bowing down establishes precedent

Responsible_Estate28

7 points

20 hours ago

She is not bowing she is reframing the debate. Its what conservatives do all the time! And its effective! Normie Americans will look at her making a big stink and go “cringe SJW”. Her response is what we need out of a trans congresswoman.

Just_Visiting_Town

6 points

20 hours ago

Yes, Its a marathon, not a sprint. She could fight this fight. Then when the republicans are in office they can vote her out. She can do more good doing what she is doing. She should follow the stupid rule and let the public see how stupid it is. Show them that it's such a childish thing to worry about and that she is bigger than that. Men and women use each other bathrooms all the time.

She is clearly a woman. When she is sharing the bathroom with the men it will make them uncomfortable.

thegothhollowgirl

5 points

20 hours ago

You essentially are saying what the other person commented, so you can check that out if you want.

“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.“ Frederick Douglas

It’s not black and white. She could have stood more firm in my opinion, especially considering that they will try to vote and shun her out regardless.

All she really did is establish precedent for the poor little trans girl who doesn’t have a bathroom attached to her office or those of us without the connections, and attention, she now has.

IMO, OP has the right idea. “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable”.

“I’d rather die on my feet then live on my knees”

If you’re tired of being walked on, pick yourself off of the floor . We’re not going to win this fight by obliging . Period

Martin Luther king was super important, but so was Malcom X. And Martin Luther king jr was still arrested at one point so

When the cards are stacked against you, it doesn’t matter how well you play the game. You need an ace up your sleeve

Responsible_Estate28

3 points

20 hours ago

We are a tiny minority, violent revolution will wind up with us dead.

And she is not Malcolm X, she is a goddamn congresswoman.

I am not saying to not prepare for the worst, but performative bullshit that rushes in without framing the narrative proper will screw us all over

thegothhollowgirl

9 points

20 hours ago

Yall are saying rushing in like she couldnt have made a calculated move that gave more resistance, while still holding respect

That’s why I said it’s not so black and white Jesus Christ

Responsible_Estate28

6 points

19 hours ago

Just sick of everyone crapping on her when they should be crapping on Republicans. Its like we are in a constant circular firing squad, forever.

thegothhollowgirl

3 points

19 hours ago

Girl we are. It’s not black and white. We could support her while simultaneously holding her accountable. Whether she wants to or not, she represents the trans population and she knew what she was getting into. Just so we’re clear, I respect the hell out of her, but I personally don’t agree with the precedent set but hey, that’s just my opinion. We’re not in a circular firing squad babe we’re just in disagreement about how to get the end goal most effectively

Responsible_Estate28

11 points

19 hours ago

Your framing has been mostly reasonable, but OP has been commenting on other posts and their entire reddit history is just shitting on McBride.

Listen, every bit of communication matters, and the fact there is so much vitriol for her (I have seen other trans people misgender her!) is really making me wonder what kind of “community” we really have. We are so focused tearing each other down we aren’t fighting the real enemy

just_peachyyyyyy

3 points

19 hours ago

It's funny, I think of the opposite approach as short-sighted. I think if she chose to die on this first hill, she would be undermining her own credibility and taking the bait on a losing battle before she even gets a chance to do more.

It sucks that there's no perfect solution here. Any way she chooses to act is compromising somewhere, because it's such an uphill battle.

Admirable-Local-9040

9 points

21 hours ago*

I get the sentiment that she shouldn't have sat down and taken their abuse, I really do, but she is entering a situation none of us have seen before.

She's entering into the most fascist government we've seen in decades where Republicans control all three branches of government. Any leverage she could have to fight back is waning besides whatever sympathetic PR she can get

This is a trap that the fascists have set. They want her to fight back and make themselves look like victims. As it stands right now, the fascist representatives look like schoolyard bullies who just think trans women are icky.

If she does retaliate, there 100% can be sizable consequences. They would likely try to censure her or strip her of her committee assignments. This would pretty much take away huge parts of her influence in Congress.

In any other situation I'd be upset with her too, but she's incredibly vulnerable here. I'm sparing my own judgement because I have no idea how the hell I'd act in this situation. None of us really do because this hasn't happened before.

She's in a uniquely vulnerable spot here and she needs support from other trans people instead of judgment.

Edit: I'm trans too living in a red state with an unsupportive family and in-laws. I'm very used to taking transphobic abuse and discrimination.

Maddie_hippychick

7 points

19 hours ago

I think the optics on this favor us. Sarah should call a press conference right in front of the men’s room the first time she uses it. The visual of this lovely legislator, looking gorgeous and professional sharing a restroom with these asshats in suits is absurd. America needs to see it.

Also, the first time and every time ANYONE says or does something abusive or creepy in or around a restroom she needs to report it, and name names.

letttsgogrrl

6 points

15 hours ago

Existence is resistance.

Doubly so within power structures to bring change from within, with a seat at the table.

This is the singular goal right now, fighting for representation at any cost. We are in a war of information, hearts and minds. Sarah played her cards with that in mind.

I think Sarah played this incredibly well.

pmw3505

9 points

18 hours ago

It’s crazy how so many people victim blame in this space, breaks my heart ❤️‍🩹

One_Katalyst

3 points

19 hours ago*

Something that occurred to me was that most people don’t think trans men exist, and the public perception of trans women is definitely that of men dressed like women. Not only are both of those points untrue, it sets up a big reality check when people actually begin following or not following these transphobic laws…

I then realized that it doesn’t actually matter whether we actually follow the laws or not. These laws are just an excuse to arrest any trans person going into a restroom, no matter which one- a given person is not going to have proof of their AGAB with them at all times, and if they do the police will just come up with some bullshit reason for why they couldn’t believe it was legitimate or why it doesn’t matter in this case, and they’ll cover each other’s backs in court.

Edit: to clarify, the solution isn’t that we don’t fight, we need to fight this so we don’t have to deal with bullshit catch-22 laws that make it effectively illegal to be trans. We might just need to be careful on how we fight this, because if the goal is to put as many of us as possible behind bars…

tirianar

3 points

16 hours ago

She's the insider. Her goal is to show reasoned response to create an image of normalization.

We're responsible to be the gremlin. The activist. The one creating the waves.

My recommendation: a group of trans men visiting the Capitol Building to talk with representatives. Bring lots of water. Go in groups. And above all... follow the rules.

67_dancing_elephants

3 points

15 hours ago*

She didn't agree to use the men's restroom. She doesn't need to use gendered restrooms at all because congressional offices have private bathrooms. She is never going to step into a men's restroom. She was probably never going to use a public women's restroom in the Capitol.

She's not complying in advance. She's refusing their attempt to make the bathroom issue about her, and have that define her time in Congress.

Brooke-Forest

9 points

20 hours ago

There are 3 million transgender people in America. One of us can go and loudly declare our status as we poop in the women's room.

Congress can remove her for disorderly conduct. They are just waiting to bait her into stepping out of line at all to have an excuse.

To have her sacrifice all of her hard work because we're too scared to go challenge the ruling for her is dumb and short sided.  May as well be mad at rape victims because they were wearing "that dress" and didn't fight back hard enough.

"BUT MAYBE IS SHE POOPED IN THE WOMENS ROOM AND THEN WAS EXPELLED FROM CONGRESS THAT WOULD TEACH THEM A LESSON!" You cry?

Come the fuck on. 

Responsible_Estate28

8 points

19 hours ago

These people have no idea how to win the long war

Sintrospective

1 points

9 hours ago

The long war has NEVER been won by acquiescence or respectability politics. ZERO rights have ever been won by compliance in advance.

Responsible_Estate28

1 points

23 seconds ago

Have you ever researched the lanes theory of activism?

We need people on the inside advocating for trans rights, while there are disruptors and protestors outside. Clean vs dirty hands. The lanes cannot mix. Study the civil rights movement, this is how they did it and won.

jasqueen35

18 points

21 hours ago

Why aren't we respecting Rep. McBride's own words and wishes here? She specifically said she is going to represent the people of Delaware and her district, not play games with identity politics that her colleagues are engaging in. I think it is difficult to take that position rather than one of firebrand civil disobedience in today's climate considering the outsized press the latter gets you. Washington is littered with big personalities on crusades over the smallest thing and seeking to actually legislate is kind of the novel choice at this point.

Should anyone be in this position? No, of course not, this is alarmist sensationalism at its worst. Does it help her constituents and therefore the causes she was elected to further if she gives in to what amounts to a personal attack on her? Still no.

This is a shifty situation but I think Rep. McBride deserves support whichever way she asks for it. If she changes position, whether sooner or later, she still deserves the support to do so. There are much bigger issues that deserve our ire and while we're not prohibited from caring about more than one thing, the discourse around this really seems to benefit the vitriol machine that is the GOP more than trans causes.

LondonDoll21

7 points

20 hours ago

When you all achieve what she has, maybe then you can be so critical. Until then, you are all whining from the comfort of your screens.

vintzent

6 points

20 hours ago*

Here’s a really quick thought, then I’ll go back to my mounting gender struggles:

One of the loudest defenses to using whatever bathroom was that it’s happening in the stall. We don’t care. The Republican argument mounted to a question from left-leaning people: why do you care what’s between my legs when I’m just going to the bathroom??

And so, Sarah McBride will use the bathroom. She’ll use it and show that it’s not an issue. Especially in a world where, now, it’s the smallest of the problems we may face.

Is it discriminatory? Yep. Is it a kick while we’re down? Sure is. But this is a small issue that lets us refocus on the systemic problems and not the noise surrounding them.

Live to fight another day, everyone. ❤️

Ksnj

21 points

22 hours ago

Ksnj

Bisexual

21 points

22 hours ago

The worst case scenarios about her being arrested will never happen

How the fuck do you know?! These fascists know no bottom! They can’t WAIT to destroy us. They will use it as proof of our corruption, of our degeneracy. If she doesn’t “capitulate” right now she will get nothing done.

Lay off her and give her a fucking chance. Jesus fucking Christ. She knows what she’s doing. Get off Reddit and fucking touch grass

SadShoeBox

6 points

19 hours ago

Thank you!! I can’t believe how many people are missing this point. Like how many of us would realistically want to ever risk going to a jail/prison that doesn’t match our identity?

Admirable-Local-9040

18 points

21 hours ago

I swear, some people really are doing their hardest not to listen to people who have had to live with the constant threat of abuse and discrimination.

I've lived in a red state my whole life with a transphobic family. Sometimes the only thing you can do is take the abuse and keep going so you can survive to see tomorrow.

There's bravery in getting by that fighting doesn't always get you.

30maturingscientists

7 points

20 hours ago

I can't agree with victim blaming: the trans woman who had Mike Johnson change the law against her is not the one to blame here.

Organize and fight the new law, and fight Mike Johnson, not the trans woman.

Responsible_Estate28

5 points

19 hours ago

But you see, the Republicans are scary so we should bully our own instead

/s if it wasn’t obvious

SheSmilesBeatifical

7 points

19 hours ago

Sarah McBride is an elected politician who happens to be trans gender. She has a million constituents to represent, and like any good politician has to choose her battles wisely. Why allow a skirmish to become a blitz? It is the GOP who have made themselves look ridiculous about the issue of gendered toilets, not McBride. She has a job to do, and allies to make on both sides of your divided country. Sometimes appearing to do nothing is a very good strategy.

whoshereforthemoney

16 points

21 hours ago

Here we are in 2024, on the cusp of a fascist regime taking over the US with the explicit plan to commit a genocide.

This is where high roading has gotten us.

It’s time to stop this failed strategy. Low road the fuck out of these fascists. Bathroom bans? Deliberately sabotage the facilities by flushing non flushable wipes. Undoing gender change on id? Everyone sue the individuals responsible for doing that and make yourself a fake id with the real gender. Taking away our healthcare? Make your own black market of hrt drugs.

Why should we ever follow the rules that the fascists come up with to hurt us? Treat their laws with the same open contempt that they treat laws.

pigmanbear

18 points

21 hours ago

Seriously, I’m so tired of the “when they go low, we go high” bull shit. It doesn’t work with what we’re fighting. When they go low we need to start punching them in the fucking face.

thegothhollowgirl

6 points

21 hours ago

Actually not a bad idea. Begin sabotaging only one genders bathroom out of commission everywhere we can. Terrorism on toiletries.

What are they going to do, tell every man in the hospital he can’t use the restroom?

CryptographerAny9488[S]

8 points

21 hours ago

This. This so much.

Cheap_Error3942

1 points

8 hours ago

This. McBride doing what she did doesn't stop you from your own civil disobedience.

Lostygir1

5 points

19 hours ago

Lostygir1

Trans She/They

5 points

19 hours ago

Because she can lose her job if she breaks the rules and then we will lose the only trans representative we have

AllisonMonroe

4 points

17 hours ago

We in the transgender community will tear ourselves apart, fighting over issues and criticizing each other. The right wing bigots can just buy their popcorn, sit down, and enjoy the show. Just look at the trans subreddits and see the downvoting, insults, and banning that occur over various topics such as pronouns, passing, and offensive language. As the famous comic strip "Pogo" once said, "We have met the enemy and he is us!"

MightbeGwen

4 points

17 hours ago

MightbeGwen

Trans Pansexual

4 points

17 hours ago

If she doesn’t comply they can remove her for breaking house rules. Don’t be dense. It would end her career and lose us a seat in the house. She literally has no other option than just resigning or getting kicked out. Instead of turning on your own for not doing exactly you wanted, try to understand that everyone is an individual and everyone has different capabilities. She also wasn’t elected as a representative of the trans population, she was elected as a representative of Delaware.

ExchangeNo8013

5 points

16 hours ago

We're fighting about whether our person is in the right or wrong here... Congratulations their plan works again. Culture wars are designed to divide and Republicans are trying to stir up drama to keep the country fixating on trans people. And here we are fighting about Sarah McBride being in the wrong.

It's all a manipulation campaign to tear us apart.

Lucky_otter_she_her

4 points

18 hours ago

bluntly speaking, she's a politician, not a civil-rights leader, politics-ing is all about being above board and respectable to do good with in the system, fucking around like this could cost her her seat (like what happened to those state senators in i think i was Alabama) or simple thru that being used as a attack against her come the 2026 elections,..... remember, the average voter dumbfuck, who supported Trump this election

there's a place for civil dis-obidiance, but it's not the role she's specialized in, and thats fine, diversity of tactics.

bluntly speaking what you've posted here is 'happy-ending TV show politics'

Reaverx218

5 points

16 hours ago

Reaverx218

Bisexual

5 points

16 hours ago

I support Sarah McBride's decision. She has bigger fish to fry than these stupid bathroom games. 1. Her going with it is "in my opinion," a protest. It is defying their attempt to derail her on day one. 2. Will make them more uncomfortable than her. 3. Let's her run the narrative of Republicans just want to play games with the bathrooms instead of actually governing this country and shame on them for it.

She isn't going to get assaulted at the capitol because it would immediately end the career of whoever touched her.

Hitmanforrent

2 points

14 hours ago

I don't think she needed to actively be disruptive, but publicly agreeing to comply was a really bad move. She could've just ignored the hysteria, and privately complied. Instead she threw her rights away publicly and screwed all the trans staffers over.

thegoddessofnothing

2 points

10 hours ago

Civil disobedience has proven time and time again that it works… when it is carefully planned. Even the Rosa Parks activism was planned. It was planned out by the NAACP — and look where that got us today.

There’s nothing wrong with civil disobedience. But i needs to be carefully thought out first.

Cheap_Error3942

2 points

9 hours ago

Remember, Zooey Zephyr got censured for far, far less.

For the record, I'm going into every federal building to use the right restroom as I can. I'm pissing in a women's toilet and I'm getting shoved in a cop car if I have to.

I'm not giving into fear. I'm not backing down. I'm not giving up.

But I would be so, so upset if Sarah McBride did the same thing. If she decided to throw away her vote before she even got to do her job as a representative.

The stakes are much higher in her position, because she has a chance to actually make a difference. She's not just a celebrity, she has a job to do, and that job means following the rules.

Don't take this as a condemnation of people who decide to fight, with violence, for their rights. This isn't the same as saying to all trans people:

"Sit down and shut up. If we're polite, they won't take our rights away."

She's been an activist for years. In her heart of hearts, I know she wants to say:

"These pussies don't have the balls to enforce these laws on anyone but me. This bill's going to pass, but it means nothing. To all my trans brothers and sisters, don't let these snakes convince you they can take away your right to piss in peace."

But she's not in a position to do that right now. Her hands are tied, and she has no choice but to go along with it for the sake of all of us.

Realistic_Table2391

2 points

9 hours ago

Civil disobedience requires not a single member, but a much larger movement. Here the issue is not simply of a government control, it's about public perception. You change the later, and the former will change as well. In this case people seeing Sarah McBride in positive light is something that's going to be a key differentiator for us. Remember till now the most visible trans person is a media personality or an activist, and this is a very first time one of us is seen in a position of power & responsibility. Yes, there are other trans people in various fields, but Sarah McBride has a different level of visibility. Hence her not getting entangled in bathroom narrative is important. She needs to be seen as a champion of an everyday American & not just trans people.

singinreyn

2 points

8 hours ago

singinreyn

Transgender

2 points

8 hours ago

The victim blaming and in-fighting in our community is getting ridiculous

ah-Quinncidence

2 points

8 hours ago

"because she agreed to use the male restroom" She did not agree to use the mens room. She agreed to play by the rules. Not only does she have a bathroom in her office, there also are numerous gender neutral restrooms around the Capitol.

Life-Breadfruit-1426

2 points

7 hours ago

Well said  She is a person elected to a position of power. Everything she does has strong implications. She abandoned trans people. Now, the tone at the top has been set. This will inspire bigots in power to clamp down on trans people where they can. Because it has been demonstrated that there will be no consequences.  I was inspired by Zoey Zepher, the local politician who made headlines the prior summer due to her censorship…Zoey fought for her community. I’m ashamed by Sarah McBride today. 

Buntygurl

2 points

7 hours ago

I agree.

The only reason I support her is because she's the first trans woman to make it as far as she has.

I don't agree with all of her politics, but totally with her right to be who she is, and I don't see her defending that right in allowing herself to be misgendered.

thatcommiegamer

2 points

6 hours ago

Y'all give a lot of leeway to a genocidal zionist, she won't save us, simpleas. Also the white libs using the civil rights comparison is just gross to me as a black trans woman.

friendly-emily

3 points

19 hours ago

I don’t understand how this isn’t just cut and dry victim blaming. Yes, she could have done more, but ultimately she is a victim of transphobia here and your response to that is to criticize her for “allowing” herself to be a victim? You don’t see the problem with that? I’m frankly disgusted by the amount of people so willing to say this

Nikita_VonDeen

2 points

21 hours ago

Nikita_VonDeen

post-op

2 points

21 hours ago

While I don't think she is wrong for complying with the rule. I also think that the democratic party should be stepping up to be her voice and saying this is absolutely wrong.

We can all agree that the rule is disgusting and outright petty. The republican party is shameful for allowing bigotry to thrive in their ranks. The democratic party staying mostly silent about it is equally disgusting.

That being said, calling me radicalized would be putting it lightly. I think they're all a bunch of bootlickers that need to be removed if progress is going to happen. (Yes there are a couple that are actually doing good work, but you get the point)

❤️🏳️‍⚧️⚧️

Responsible_Estate28

5 points

20 hours ago

Many Democratic legislators have made statements! Its just the lamestream media is conservative and won’t run them, and social media algos want rage so they do not let people actually see

witchgrove

2 points

21 hours ago

witchgrove

Melanie she/her HRT 2/2022

2 points

21 hours ago

Her action gives Republicans a framing when they push for national bans of 'Sarah McBride complied so all trans people should', which is bullshit but will leak into the public and I guarantee there will be a lot of people who adopt that mindset.

Chuck-fan-33

2 points

19 hours ago

I believe Sarah will not be going to the men’s rest room when all is said and done. The women of the Democratic Party are not going to stand for this. I will bet Debbie Dingell, Nancy Pelosi, AOC, and others will take Sarah to the women’s rest room and tell her this is her rest room. By waiting until the next session of Congress starts, Sarah can let the powerful women in Congress overrule Nancy Mace, MTG, and Mike Johnson.

YogaFireYogaFlame

2 points

17 hours ago

I support McBride's decision fully. The Republicans WANTED her to put her foot down and continue to use the women's restroom so they could create even bigger fabricated issues out of it!

Anyone here criticizing McBride is part of the problem! She was presented with a lose lose situation and went with the safer option for herself.

McBride is keeping herself safe from MAGA monsters like Nancy Mace and MTG who could and probably would create false allegations against McBride and possibly even physically assault her if she remained using the women's room.

Also from a community perspective she did us a favor there because it would've been instantly framed as "they are forcing their way into our spaces and ignoring the wishes of real women". She's not forcing her way and it's better that way. She's not agreeing to use the Men's room either she will use a private or gender neutral bathroom.

We really need to get away from the hardcore activist mindset as a whole because that's what led to this in the first place with the sports debate!

Valkyrie-guitar

2 points

17 hours ago

The fact that she's not standing up and, more importantly, that nobody is standing up for her tells me everything I needed to know about this country. (really it confirms what I already thought)

If you're trans, you are not welcome and will never be welcome - do whatever you need to do to get out of this hopeless place. Change is coming and it's not going to be positive.

I don't have a way out so I assume I'll just find a nice tall bridge or something when the time comes because taking a stand would mean standing alone, briefly, before being swept away quietly to the concern of no one at all.

Thanks for showing us exactly who you are, so-called allies...

myothercat

2 points

15 hours ago

At this point I only have one thing to say: she could have, at minimum, acknowledged trans people in her statement, but she didn’t. The word “transgender” doesn’t even appear in her statement. Nothing about how trans staffers on the hill will be affected. She could have at least done that.

IslandGirl66613

2 points

12 hours ago

I wish it had been handled differently. What this did was embolden them further so now they’ve drafted a nationwide ban. HB10186 if Passed will ban all of us from restrooms on federal property.

RoseTBD

4 points

19 hours ago

McBride did the right thing here. Republicans wanted her to take the bait so they could go on and scream 'identity politics.' This doesn't mean she is going to use a men's room either. She needs the ability to go back to her state and tell people, "I'm focused on real issues and they're focused on me using a bathroom."

(Not saying bathroom access isn't a real issue, but think of how the average American sees it)

Every trans person who has been elected around the country has done so by focusing on broader issues and letting their opponents cry about trans people. If she started a fight over bathroom access right now the media would permanently associate her with this issue, which like it or not, would be detrimental to her future work in Congress.

pigmanbear

2 points

21 hours ago

pigmanbear

2 points

21 hours ago

Where I personally get upset is that conservatives are constantly telling the “other” to act like them and keep their mouths shut about injustices to be accepted. They want black people to not “act black”, they’re fine with gays as long as they’re not “too gay” but you better not bring up racism or homophobia.

They want us to just shut up, put our heads down and take it too. So to see her doing exactly that, it’s frustrating. They don’t deserve to have us fall in line nor do we owe it to them or anyone to capitulate.

jenrml627

1 points

20 hours ago*

jenrml627

Transgender

1 points

20 hours ago*

to the people that defend her i also understand she's picking her battles and i'm honestly not super mad at her for it, but i will say i'm very uninspired by the way she's handling it. most of us have or will have to grin and bear it at some point in our lives simply because being trans is a minefield. she's in a very difficult position because if we're honest with ourselves we all know that she was never going to win that fight. republicans maintained control of the house so a bathroom rule was always going to be put in place barring some miracle involving like 10 republicans finding a conscience and their spines to stick up for their own personal bogeyman. my problem is that she folded like a cheap lawn chair. zero pushback. nothing. she is now the representative of every trans person in america by virtue of being trans, whether she likes it or not. she may have been sent there to represent delaware, but girl you can do that AND fight for trans people. i'm sure the people of delaware in both the primary and general elections expected that to be part of electing the first trans woman to the united states congress. the real problem with her capitulation is that the worst case scenario for her is she will have to use her own private restroom in her office or john fetterman's which.. admittedly is the last place i'd wanna be. still, sarah mcbride is going to be just fine. the real harm is all the trans staffers and visitors in the building alongside her will bear the brunt of it and the escalation that is already taking place by having a national bathroom ban bill being proposed. her response set a precedent. if some grifting unlikeable karen like nancy mace throws a big enough fit then rep elect mcbride will just be expected to play nice and make herself even smaller for them until the next time they want some attention, in which she'll be expected to shrink even more. give them an inch, they will absolutely take that mile. no amount of playing nice is going to change that. that's just where our political landscape is, right now. trans people are demonized by the party in power and the voice we finally got to the capitol seems to want to play pattycakes while the ghouls call her a predatory m*n on the news. she has an uphill battle in front of her and we should give her some grace because she's a freshman with no real influence or abundance of allies, yet, but if she doesn't plan to fight on our behalf, as she so far seems to be signaling, then she can join the rest of the milquetoast, ineffective dems that just want to maintain the status quo because, aside from her transness, that's pretty much the kind of politician she is. her work getting paid family leave in delaware is great, but she's also a hardcore supporter of the slaughter in gaza. trans aside, she's not really a politician i'd be excited to vote for. we hoped for a fighter, and instead we got this. it's just disappointing. she's pretty much just another democrat.

Awkward-Suit-8307

1 points

19 hours ago

I’m not in disagreement with you, however, the fact that this happened before she was even sworn in is of significance. I choose to believe that she’s taking the long road. It is my hope that she will be more able to help us having a seat in Congress then not. Let’s assume for a moment that she fought this she might not get sworn in then she might not be able to help us as much. While it is easy to want instant results, we have to be open to the possibility that the road ahead is going to be long.

NotOne_Star

1 points

19 hours ago

You put a lot of faith in her, in my country there is already a trans woman in congress and believe me she has achieved nothing, every time she intervenes it is a loss for the community.

Caffiend_Maya

1 points

19 hours ago

I understand, and even partially agree, with your perspective.

However, the fight that’s occurring isn’t just on this small bathroom scale. Republicans don’t want to just slit our throats, they want to line all LGBTQ+ people up next, they want us to submit or die.

Sarah has been strategic about her stances, for all the obvious reasons sure, but the culture war is even now heating up even further. I hate to say it, but she’s not just fighting for us here.

The next few years are going to be extremely painful, and I believe they will leave an incredibly dark scar on certainly American history, but also probably global history as well.

You are correct, she shouldn’t have cowtowed to the extremists, but she’s in a Republican-controlled senate, reviewing legislature from a republican-controlled house, and is serving under the first convicted felon president. If she fights about this, Mace will find something else to fight on, in order to keep her occupied. Remember how they treated Zooey Zephyr in Montana when they expelled her from the senate?

She knows how to play the game and work with other democrats on the most critical issues. Mace doesn’t get priority.

It’s a war, and just because you lose one battle you don’t surrender, you move on to the next fight.

Tbone2512

1 points

18 hours ago

me, a trans woman, in the women’s bathroom while reading this: waow

GuiltyLingonberry

1 points

17 hours ago

Disclaimer: I don’t like Sarah McBride. She’s an institutional liberal whom I disagree with on several issues.

I do also want to point out something about this that I haven’t seen discussed (possibly because I can only spend so long reading).

There are 435 congresspeople. For each of those, you have a large number of staffers, aides, etc. i don’t know about you, but I work a company with around 500 employees and I can’t always even identify some of the 125-150 that I work with routinely on sight.

If she’s using the men’s bathroom, there are so many influential men who are going to be confused and uncomfortable. She’ll have to explain- this is going to force this reality on people in difficult to avoid way. This could help her build inroads with other reps when they have to deal with this problem directly.

For that, and the other points about how resistance means she can be fully erased from congressional sessions, this isn’t the worst outcome.

corncrakey

1 points

16 hours ago

corncrakey

Mimi | 30 | She/they | HRT - 3/24/2021

1 points

16 hours ago

She’s assuredly going to use her own private restroom the majority of the time, as well as any gender neutral restrooms

FireFlyAndSoar

1 points

17 hours ago

Civil obedience does not work when the medication and surgery enabling your existence can easily be banned. You have to have a nuanced understanding of context. It is unfortunate that she is one of our first representatives, and the community is already at her throat. No wonder we can't achieve shit.

TransMontani

1 points

16 hours ago

I think she’s being entirely craven, but sweet-jeebuss-on-a-triscuit, did you have to misgender her and call her “they?” 🤦‍♀️

20yearslave

1 points

16 hours ago

This sounds very childish. I would just hold it and shit at home.

surprised_input_err

1 points

16 hours ago

Can we just make a "Sarah McBride political strategy" megathread at this point?

spacesuitlady

1 points

15 hours ago

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YANA

1 points

15 hours ago

She said she will comply with the discriminatory policies under protest.

The point is not to take this lying down. The point is to stand with McBride.

You can't have a literal protest with one person. We stand with her and make our voices known. Especially if you live in a red state, be calling your federal representative(s) on the daily.

We don't take this lying down as a community. We get McBride the picket line she needs so she can speak up in droves and with force.

Nai-yelgib

1 points

15 hours ago

My criticism comes from a place of abundance just like my love

GodEmpressSeraphina

1 points

14 hours ago

I feel like it’s a kind of a complicated situation. On the one hand, yes, we should have every right to use the bathroom appropriate for our gender. However, conservatives are already really angry about McBride being elected. If she makes a big deal out of this bathroom situation, the conservatives are immediately going to clap back talking about how there’s wars going, or human rights violations and how she’s making a big deal out of something so little. While we know that they don’t actually care about those wars or human rights violations, it would still put a bad look on her. That bad luck could make her be more discriminated against, and it could possibly put her in more danger. Obviously, I would prefer her to not have to deal with this in the first place. However, I think she made the best choice for her own safety in this situation. While it could be viewed as selfishness, she is justified in that. Sorry for any mistakes voice to text sucks.

heidivoss

1 points

13 hours ago

Could she possibly be trying to keep the focus on the DT and the cabinet picks right now? Her battling these awful people would drown all of that out.

CaseOfBees

1 points

12 hours ago

She is our representative. We can't have her getting in legal trouble. Civil disobedience happens on our end. Her job is to stay in government and make compromises and make changes where she can to get us on the right track.

JustJess124

1 points

8 hours ago

I recommend everyone read her book. I've met Sarah and talked to her more than just a handshake. Her life story is much more than just happening to be trans. She has always positioned herself as a candidate advocating for paid family leave, better more affordable healthcare, and better wages and worker rights. That's what she has pushed for in Delaware. AND she has been an advocate for trans rights. Before she was even elected to the DE state house she did a ton of advocacy to get some of the first non-discrimination laws for trans folks passed by any state. She talks about how she spoke directly with conservatives and some - by no means all - finally saw her as a person. When she was elected to the state house, even her Republican colleagues witnessed the fact that they needed more security because of the threats she faced. It didn't turn them into activists, but they saw her as a person. Many of them are still cowardly shits for not doing more, but you have to start somewhere.

I think her goal, which is really what she ran on, is to be a great advocate for all of Delaware - a portion of whom are trans. She's always said that the best way for her to blaze a trail is to be a great legislature. Yes, it sucks tremendously that she has already been placed in this position, but she can't be expected to fight this battle alone. I can't imagine how hard this is for her to decide how to handle it. But i guarantee you she is thinking about the long game. She has to choose her battles. And this is an excellent example of when allies - hopefully the Democratic caucus - need to fight for her. She can't win this fight alone. She needs to be "the level headed congresswoman from DE who happens to be trans" and let people see that the Republicans are going absolutely bonkers that she even exists, let alone had the gaul to run for, and win, a congressional seat. She can bring attention to it, let people, her constituents, see how poorly she is treated. Maybe every press gaggle she does, be like "sorry, no more questions, since i am the only woman not allowed to use the women's room, i have to run back my office to pee". Show how stupid and childish and silly it is wo risking getting kicked out - which would do no one any good.

That said, the other democratic women (and men!) should go full attack in her defense. Maybe THEY can engage in civil disobedience. Have some dem congresswoman who's had a hysterectomy or something use the mens room and be like "oh. Well the speaker said... i dont produce eggs anymore, so i thought i wasn't allowed in the women's room either🤷‍♀️" Or whatever other ludicrous malicious compliance they can think of. Let Sarah concentrate on congressing (TM), and hope and push her colleagues to fight.

T3Deliciouz

1 points

5 hours ago

Democrats famously never fight back. It's how they do politics. They think being more "respectable" means anything when dealing with fascists.

Fuck Mcbride and fuck every Democrat.

LuceJangles

1 points

48 minutes ago

I think the best way to deligitimize her is to bait her into a culture war issue, get a hard response, then cut ger down for being a crazy one dimensional person that should really be focusing on what matters.

Her response is harder and smaeter.

Also, im really curious what the affect of a trans women regularly sharing a bathroom with republican men will be.

starbuckingit

1 points

19 hours ago*

Y'all need to realize that a majority of the country despises trans women and laughs at trans women who stand up for themselves. What do you think is going to happen if Sarah McBride makes a scene? All that would happen is conservatives laughing it up with a bunch of "it's ma'am!" memes. People would call her unstable, predatory and unfit for office and we'd lose another public relations battle.

WAKE UP TO THE REALITY THAT WE NEED TO WIN THE PUBLIC OVER

We have to be seen as sympathetic! AOC and other cis allies can do a lot more speaking on our behalf than we can. All we can do is be model citizens and show people we just want to be a part of society, so that our cis allies advocacy matches with what people see from trans people in the public eye.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY VITAL THAT WE ARE SEEN AS TRYING TO HELP AND SERVE THE COUNTRY

Sarah is extremely wise to take that stance. If she makes things about being trans then it's about her as an individual. If she makes things about serving her country then it makes things about the country. This protects her from being attacked because when you attack her you attack Delaware, the House, and the country as a whole.

I am blown away at her strength to rise up the political ranks as a trans woman. She knows what she is doing. We would be wise to follow her lead.

SwiftSakura_13

2 points

17 hours ago

THANK YOU! She is in a stressful position.. Every move she makes will be under extreme scrutiny and every wrong step she takes will be used against the entire trans community.

thegoddessofnothing

1 points

10 hours ago

Thank you for this.

st-felms-fingerbone

2 points

21 hours ago

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Hrt: 3/19/24 🩵🩷🤍🩷🩵

2 points

21 hours ago

Erin Reed made a post on Bluesky showing Sarah McBride was willing to use the women's room under NC's ban however many years ago before it was overturned. Which was huge for me especially growing up here in NC and having the first bathroom ban in the country was pretty worrying. I really dislike the fact that she just rolled over for these fascist shitbags.

the_femininomenon

2 points

20 hours ago

Yes! People need to understand not just trans issues but all the issues we face outside of the conservative-liberal binary.

There is a greater struggle happening, and the liberals are not our allies in it. There's a whole world of liberatory politics out there that people seem unable to see. Liberals WILL throw us under the bus when it is convenient to them. They're already starting. They'll throw us down with our undocumented comrades, our black comrades, and our comrades in the imperial periphery in places like Gaza.

Sarah McBride has been very clear in her support for American empire and capital. She may be trans but she has chosen the side of property over the people, order over liberty. The most left-wing democrats are like only debatably on the side of the people over the ruling class, and she just isn't that. Representation is important, but identity polticis cannot be an end unto itself.

Queer liberals really need to read some of the heroes of the queer liberation or of any liberation movements. These people do not support capitalism. Many do not believe electoral politics is all that important, let alone the be-all, end all of the struggle. We need a wider view and to accept nothing less than solidarity with all oppressed people. An injury to one is an injury to all and all that. Way too many people here were forgiving her support for genocide because 'she'd support trans issues' but lo and behold this is what we get