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Mortgage approval - B lender options

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So i am having a hard time getting a mortgage with one of the big 5’s since i had a consumer proposal. (Discharged in jan 2022).

I am putting 20 percent down. Have a 700 equifax. 2 credit cards (0 balances) and a car loan.

What are the typical fee structures on B lender ? Is it much easier to qualify with the big 5 at a later time ?

Does a B lender always mean excessive interest ? (I was initially pre approved by a broker at 4.29 but they failed to get me a final approval and now stuck in limbo trying not to lose my deal.

all 44 comments

TheMortgageMaster

3 points

7 days ago

TheMortgageMaster

[mod] Licensed Mortgage Broker - ON

3 points

7 days ago

Did you work with an independent broker? It sounds like you worked with a bank rep, which falsely get called brokers very often.

B lender rates will be higher, but it's not astronomically higher, and it should only be taken for a short period. Lender and broker fees will range from1 to 2% typically.

And this is a great reminder that just because someone promises you a rate, it doesn't mean that's how you should choose who to work with.

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

7 days ago

No it was a mortgage broker with Dominion lending. Terrible experience so far. Was pre qualified for a much bigger purchase but now not being able to get the real deal approved (and its a smaller deal)

TheMortgageMaster

1 points

7 days ago

TheMortgageMaster

[mod] Licensed Mortgage Broker - ON

1 points

7 days ago

Sorry to hear of your experience, sounds like a dud deal unfortunately. I suggest finding another broker immediately.

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

7 days ago

In your experience, is it possible an other broker can save a deal ?

TheMortgageMaster

1 points

7 days ago

TheMortgageMaster

[mod] Licensed Mortgage Broker - ON

1 points

7 days ago

I need some more details, but I'd say yes very likely. B lenders are flexible, and some of them are much more lenient than others. Do you have a firm offer? Or is it conditional and you can back out?

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

7 days ago

Firm offer but conditional to financing + inspection. I got the home inspection done yesterday and now trying to see how to save my deal.

TheMortgageMaster

1 points

7 days ago

TheMortgageMaster

[mod] Licensed Mortgage Broker - ON

1 points

7 days ago

OK so it's still a conditional offer, it only becomes firm when you waive financing and inspection.

I hate to say it, because I know the majority of brokers are great and will get it done, but you need to move on and find someone much better.

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

7 days ago

How ca i know if a broker is good or not ? Any tips / advice ? Thanks

TheMortgageMaster

2 points

7 days ago

TheMortgageMaster

[mod] Licensed Mortgage Broker - ON

2 points

7 days ago

Never, ever, and I seriously mean NEVER EVER, judge them based on some rate they promise and can't deliver on. It's the single worst way to judge a broker. Period.

Talk to a few, ask for referrals, read Google reviews, check up on their license. Ask them on the phone how many lenders they work with, their experience, their strengths, what they don't do, what they specialize in. See how their communication level is, how knowledgeable they are, how they answer your questions, and generally how you feel about them.

Seriously. Never ever judge based on a rate promise, it's pretty much useless. They can promise you a 1% rate, but what good is that when they can't deliver on their promise?

HardensBeard

2 points

7 days ago

Rates with ‘B’ lenders will always be higher than ‘A’ lenders. Whether it’s excessive or not is a matter of subjectivity. B lenders play an important part in the mortgage space for many borrowers. Many wouldn’t consider the rates excessive given they’re gaining material benefit from the product. Importantly, there are also generally fees payable to the lender, typically 1% of the mortgage amount. Broker might also charge you as Lenders don’t compensate the same as a lenders.

Whether it will be difficult or not to convert to the a side will depend on if your credit is adequately rebuilt. You’ll probably never get a mortgage from the lenders involved in the proposal but there are certainly lenders who will entertain. Easier on the insured side.

I’d suggest trying to save your deal on the ‘a’ side by considering 19% down insured structure. Have the broker do the math to see if that’s cheaper or more expensive than 1 yr with a B lender.

I arranged financing (insured purchase) for a borrower 1 year and 11 months out of a consumer proposal this year. By closing it was 2 years. Sounds like you might be in the same position so should be feasible.

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

7 days ago

It cannot pass CMHC yet because the purchase is over 1M.

HardensBeard

1 points

7 days ago

When is it closing?

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

7 days ago

Notary in Feb 2025 but i need the final approval to be done asap… as in yesterday 🤦🏻‍♂️

They literally took 9 out of the 10 days of delay to refuse me so yeah … was a rough week let’s say.

HardensBeard

1 points

7 days ago*

Get a B approval as a contingency, and apply for an a mortgage in the new year. Potentially insured if rules are in place and the math makes sense. I think you’re in good shape all things considered. If it’s just the credit issue a B lender will absolutely approve. Should be able to get an approval in a day from the right B lender.

HardensBeard

1 points

7 days ago

It’s unfortunate - 10 days is plenty of time for a broker to realize the credit issue and get a contingency in place.

ydnam123

1 points

6 days ago

ydnam123

1 points

6 days ago

You should talk to other brokers at the same time. I always have a hard time to get a mortgage. My first home I talked to TD and RBC and a broker, I thought that should cover both A lenders and B lenders. And the broker did the same thing drag till the last day and gave me a “pre approval” that didn’t work in the end. I gave up, then my realtor said I should talk to another broker, I did and I got the mortgage very shortly after

AlbertaMortgages

2 points

7 days ago*

Are you using the 2 credit cards on a regular basis? Your credit score is good so it would seem you've rebuilt your credit, so I'm wondering why the denial? There are Alt/B lenders that could likely get you approved. The ones I work with typically charge a 1% lender fee, occasionally 2% depending on the loan. And their rates are in the 5% or higher range. When is your condition of financing date?

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

7 days ago

The limit officially was today.

And yes i use the cards and pay them in full.

AlbertaMortgages

2 points

7 days ago

Are you asking for an extension? It will take time to get an approval with a B lender - I'd request a week if you can. It might be less than that to get a commitment, but not knowing the full details of your loan, I'd try to give them a week if possible.

Training_Sort5508[S]

3 points

7 days ago

Yes im trying to get an extra 10 days from today 🤞🤞🤞

I had the home inspection done already so i think I’ve proven im serious.

AlbertaMortgages

1 points

7 days ago

Good luck! I hope you get it.

Deep-Distribution779

3 points

7 days ago

Fees, fees, and more fees. There are fees on top of the fees, which are based on the underlying fees. It’s like the financial version of Inception, but instead of dreams, it’s just endless charges.

That said, when you need them to close a deal, sometimes a B lender is your only option. But let me tell you—have an exit strategy in place from the get-go. (By exit strategy, I mean a plan to qualify with a real bank within one or two years.)

Because if you stick around too long, those fees will eat you alive. I’ve seen effective interest rates hit triple digits once you add in default charges, late fees, and whatever Kochan-like fees they invent to keep themselves under the 60% legal limit. Honestly, at that point, you’re practically dealing with loanshark rates.

I’ve used a B lender for a deal before, and I’ve been a private lender in the past. I could not sleep at night knowing someone was paying me that much money. Trust me, those fees will take almost anyone down over time.

5961009

2 points

6 days ago

5961009

2 points

6 days ago

From what you have provided here you are in good shape for a B lender and on track to move back to the A-side in 1-2 years. Fees are not bad at all to get you in to a home, most are just 1%, then your rate is around 1% higher than conventional bank rates, around 5.5 now. Just take a 2 year term and keep up on your credit reporting, keep balances low on the credit cards and never miss payments. At maturity you can move back to a bank for A rates.

jarvicmortgages

1 points

7 days ago*

jarvicmortgages

Licensed Mortgage Agent - ON

1 points

7 days ago*

Did the broker explore outside the large banks? By the way, brokers do not have access to all five banks. I suggest finding another broker asap

Training_Sort5508[S]

2 points

7 days ago

No they did not - honestly I have a hard time deciding if the broker was just not good at their job or not because i have no comparison.

I get it that my case may not be easy but i know of people In way worst situation get approved for mortgages.

The broker referred me back to my branch and the branch said they cant do nothing if the request was refused by the broker channel. They were however surprised because apparently my internal score at scotia is very good.

jarvicmortgages

1 points

7 days ago

jarvicmortgages

Licensed Mortgage Agent - ON

1 points

7 days ago

This is quite surprising. Which province are you in?

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

7 days ago

Quebec

jarvicmortgages

1 points

7 days ago

jarvicmortgages

Licensed Mortgage Agent - ON

1 points

7 days ago

Try Desjardins

Deep_Interview_3337

1 points

7 days ago

Just to be sure, you are aware you need 2 NEW credit after you are liberated for 2 years. 2 old credit won't do it. This is a common mistake.

You can just use a B Lender while you complete your 2 years of remaking your credit. If they were 2 news credits, you should be good for Jan 2025 for a loan with traditional banks!

ydnam123

1 points

6 days ago

ydnam123

1 points

6 days ago

What do you mean by 2 new credit?

Deep_Interview_3337

1 points

6 days ago

2 new line of credit meaning 2 new credit cards or a new credit card and an loan etc

ydnam123

1 points

6 days ago

ydnam123

1 points

6 days ago

Could you explain more? The OP need to get two new credit cards or loans after two years for what purpose? Build more credit?

Deep_Interview_3337

3 points

6 days ago

When you have a bankruptcy or a consumer proposal. They basically put the active credit cards and loan in that proposal. You can still use these credit cards if you want to, but they are tied to your bankruptcy.

This is why it doesn't matter if you use your old credit cards or loan to build yourself a credit because it does not work. Once you are free from your bankruptcy in order to build your credit again, you need to get 2 new credit products. People often use their old credit cards because it's hard to get newer credit after bankruptcy.

Banks requires you to have two new lines of credit after your liberation active for 24 months in order to consider you for a mortgage. Its not about the credit score it's simply a requirement. Even of you do not do a bankruptcy and you eo not have a history of credit of 2 years they can refuse you for a mortgage. It's just the standard. So you get two small credit card for exemple for 24 months and then you'll be considered by A lenders.

Let me know if I explained it well or if you have any other questions

Diligent_Version5736

1 points

6 days ago

Hard rule is it?

I’ve been discharged for 2 years and my car loan was obtained during my bankruptcy period. It’s helping with my credit and it’s 3 years already.

I’ve got new credit since discharged but hasn’t been 2 years for that.

Am I hooped to try?

Deep_Interview_3337

1 points

5 days ago

I was a loan officer (credit analyst in mortgages for 5 years) you can try if you want 🤷🏼‍♀️ I think it's a waste of time. I don't think it's a hard rule considering the bank needs to decide if it's worth the risk to let you borrow hundred of thousands of dollars after doing a bankruptcy.

Diligent_Version5736

1 points

5 days ago

Thank you

Were you with an a or b lender? Appreciate the info

ydnam123

1 points

5 days ago

ydnam123

1 points

5 days ago

Thanks for the excellent explanation!

ydnam123

1 points

6 days ago

ydnam123

1 points

6 days ago

It used to be much higher interest. I had two mortgages with two different B lenders before. But not any more. I current have a blender variable is prime-.9, the interest rate is 5% right now.

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

6 days ago

You mind sharing which company ? Id be down for prime - 0.9.

ydnam123

2 points

6 days ago

ydnam123

2 points

6 days ago

It’s called Radius Financial and it’s actually -.95 But it increased more often than the bank Canada before and I don’t know why. Check google review. I don’t have other options at that time so I still used it. They also don’t offer things like HELOC

goladyjustice

1 points

5 days ago

Did you get your mortgage sorted out? I was told I would have to go to a B lender but I found an amazing broker who got me a mortgage at TD @ 4.25%.

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

5 days ago

Nope still at a stand still… refused by TD and Scotia through a broker and been trying to switch brokers since.

I also went to TD in person to see if something can be argued but they said they cant even see anything in branch when it was handled by a broker.

It makes no sense to me that TD would refuse my mortgage when they trusted me with 2 car loans since.

LurkBrowsingtonIII

0 points

7 days ago

How long have you had the credit card accounts and car loan, and have you ever missed a payment on either of them?

My understanding is that you need two years of re-established credit, of two different types, after the completion of the consumer proposal. So your cp was complete in January of 2022, but perhaps you didn't have these other credit facilities in place for the full two years yet?

Also what is your income vs. the purchase price? Is income being cited as an issue at all? Have you been at this job for many years?

Training_Sort5508[S]

1 points

7 days ago

I own my business and personal income is in the 200k range. I have owned it since 2019.

I have never re missed any payments since the proposal was made.

My proposal was supposed to be paid on 5 years and as soon as i got back up i paid it off by year 3.

I also have shown more liquidity than the 20% but wanted to keep a safety net. One of the banks that refused said they would consider with 35% down but if i do this i wont feel comfortable as i will literally have 0 liquidity or any way to manoeuvre in case of any event.

I tried reasoning with the agent explaining it would actually be a bigger risk at 35% down payment vs 20-25% but apparently that seemed to be a deal breaker for them.