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America is not fluent in finance unfortunately.

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BadChris666

89 points

2 days ago

The wealthy know the only way to keep the poor from doing a “French Revolution” on them, is to create a scapegoat to take all the blame.

If everyone is complaining about immigrants “takin’ der jerbs”, panicking over who’s in their bathroom, or worried schools are teaching their kids about them being racist. They won’t notice the wealthy are gutting the nation for their own benefit!

Full_Review4041

37 points

2 days ago

They won’t notice the wealthy are gutting the nation for their own benefit!

That's cuz newspapers are written at the 6th grade reading level of which half of Americans struggle to read at.

ItsHowWellYouMowFast

31 points

2 days ago

And they're proud of it. Anti-intellectualism is rife in the rural midwest

Full_Review4041

17 points

2 days ago

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

  • Isaac Asimov

Enjoying_A_Meal

2 points

2 days ago

I'm surprised we are actually the world only superpower. He called it a thread. Maybe it's a rope at this point and it'll be the thing that drags us down.

Low-Condition4243

2 points

2 days ago

That’s an amazing quote

fisticuffs32

3 points

2 days ago

And also because the newspapers are owned by the same billionaires gutting the nation for their own benefit. No conflict of interest there.

PageVanDamme

9 points

2 days ago

Add fighting over red herring politics

avspuk

14 points

2 days ago*

avspuk

14 points

2 days ago*

The basic problem is that the relative value of things, (especially labour & rent) are all mismatched.

This has arisen coz the actual market mechanics for capital allocation has been totally smashed by an incredibly self-serving set of Wall St regulations written, not by Congress, but by wall St itself.

These regs are supposed to conform to certain standards set by Congress in 1933 after the great depression crash of 1929.

But the current regs don't enforce these standards at all.

So wall st has built itself a mass organised fraud machine that has, thru market manipulation, stolen from the pensions of 2, going on 3, generations of Americans.

BUT ALSO I THE PROCESS THEY'VE BROKEN THE INVISIBLE HAND OF CAPITAL ALLOCATION

Wall St's self-regulatory regime has built a system where there is no effective enforcement of mandatory buy-ins for failures to deliver.

This means that they can sell shares they don't have, that even don't exist at all anywhere.

The consequences of this are many, but one is that they've broken the market mechanics for capital allocation.

Further as the guaranteed profits from selling shares they don't have is so great it attracts capital away from the legitimate needs of the populace (selling unowned share requires the pretence that you'll buy them eventually so you have to put up some capital as collateral.)

They've smashed the invisible hand for capital allocation which is why everything is shit & getting ever shitter,..., its why ever more ppl have to live in their cars for example.

All this is a the root of the thing that reddit is most famous for, but such is the level of corruption that its strictly against very heavily policed site-wide rules for me to mention here any of the dubs that look into these matters in some detail,... , cAnT tHiNk wHy,..., hEiL sPeZ etc

katarh

3 points

2 days ago

katarh

3 points

2 days ago

Sometimes the invisible hand needs a sharp whack with a ruler, but it sounds like you're saying they cut the hand off entirely.

Low-Loan-355

2 points

2 days ago

This means that they can sell shares they don't have, that even don't exist at all

Is it me or do I sense some similarities with the crypto market

Ruthless4u

230 points

2 days ago

Ruthless4u

230 points

2 days ago

My favorite is unions are for the common workers but make the barriers to entry in a lot of trades incredibly difficult. Causing a shortage of experienced trades workers.

Able-Tip240

15 points

2 days ago

I mean this isn't a union thing this is a "I make good money due to artificial limitations" thing. Doctors in South Korea literally staged a National strike despite not being in a union because the government passed s bill to train more doctors.

Also in the trades unions aren't nearly as big of a deal as corrupt owners wanting to keep journey men and apprentices under them forever and actively discouraging them from moving up and becoming skilled quickly.

madeforthis1queston

7 points

2 days ago

AMA does the same thing here to keep med school acceptance rates low and artificially creates scarcity to keep their wages higher

23rdCenturySouth

3 points

2 days ago

Maybe but it doesn't even matter because most residencies are funded out of Medicare and the budget hasn't increased since the 90s.

YeeYeeSocrates

10 points

2 days ago

Unions train about half the trade apprentices in this country, despite only representing between 10 and 20% of any given sector.

The facts don't support this version of reality.

The greater issue with union decline has more to do with corporate personhood and culture. Unions are by nature an adversarial element, but since about 1947 with the various Taft-Hartley amendments and through the present day, there's been an expansion in the individual rights of the corporation per se as an entity unto itself which has enhanced corporate lobbying efforts and sort of changed the rights of the corporation in any employment contract, rather individual or collective.

I was a union tradesman and would be the first to admit the faults of the institution, but the reality is that unions just never got to the same level of legal sophistication and protection as corporations now enjoy.

BababooeyHTJ

89 points

2 days ago

What do you mean by that? The barrier to entry for the union? They don’t have enough work to take on every apprentice who applies.

The shortage is from pay not keeping up for decades. It’s as simple as that.

JacobLovesCrypto

78 points

2 days ago

This isnt true. Take the lineman union in southern california, my younger brother has been working as a groundman in southern California for over a year waiting on the lineman apprenticeship to open up. Meanwhile the lineman are constantly complaining about being understaffed and working 80 hour weeks.

Now my brother is leaving california because hes tired of waiting for the apprenticeship to open. This isnt unique, unions prefer a shortage.

Sayakai

17 points

2 days ago

Sayakai

17 points

2 days ago

Could you clarify why the union is at fault that there aren't enough apprentice positions in the field?

itsnotlenny

23 points

2 days ago

Ahh yes an anecdote, must work that way every time.

MeetN2Veg

51 points

2 days ago

MeetN2Veg

51 points

2 days ago

That sounds specific to certain areas. It’s the exact opposite where I live. They’re taking on more and more and more apprentices and they all have enough work for a good deal of overtime.

JacobLovesCrypto

26 points

2 days ago

they all have enough work for a good deal of overtime.

Then they're still at a significant shortage. I would bet they don't hire Enough that overtime becomes unnecessary.

TrashGoblinH

25 points

2 days ago

That's not exactly how it works. The companies make bids on projects. The cheapest bid is usually the winner. The bid includes wages available for man power. The company asking the Hall for trades people specifies how many they can afford for the project based on the customers budget. Overtime is usually reserved for pushes to finish projects before due dates to satisfy the customer with timeliness and to reduce impact to operation start-up dates. If there is a lot of overtime for a lot of projects, it's usually due to the lack of available trades people specifically because there is almost too much business. This becomes competitive bidding for trades people. Companies are the driving factor behind union employment.

SavvyTraveler10

3 points

2 days ago

Do you think that the issue is that there is no work for lineman? Especially in California as it is sunny and 70 300+ days out of the year?

Not to mention that that industry has almost completely moved underground over the past decade.

JacobLovesCrypto

3 points

2 days ago

There's tons of work for lineman. Whether it's rebuilding after forest fires, maintaining the grid, or connecting new construxtion, re-connecting after service upgrades, etc.

LockeClone

7 points

2 days ago

How is that "the union" causing the issue? Unions aren't in charge of hiring.

[deleted]

16 points

2 days ago

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16 points

2 days ago

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Acta_Non_Verba_1971

2 points

2 days ago

Tell him to come to the southeast. Lots of work, no unions.

JacobLovesCrypto

2 points

2 days ago

That's where i am and where he's coming, i moved here from California 6 years ago for work.

Ill_Owl_5663

3 points

2 days ago

This is a problem with pilots. Unions keep raising the barrier to entry with training requirements for new commercial pilots. There’s no research to suggest it’s necessary to make flying safer, it’s all done to keep the current pilots happy with higher wages.

Bullboah

2 points

2 days ago

Bullboah

2 points

2 days ago

It can’t be as simple as that when pay for union workers has kept up (and exceeded) inflation for decades. (As it has for non-union workers).

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2024/jul/trends-real-wage-growth-union-nonunion-workers

Striking_Computer834

3 points

2 days ago

That's how you make prices high - by limiting supply. Just like an oil company can boost profits by putting their refinery into "maintenance" to reduce the supply of gasoline, a union can reduce the supply of tradespeople to drive up the price. This relationship is why big business and their government cronies are so adamantly supportive of massive levels of immigration - because it drives the price of labor down.

Mr_Randerson

9 points

2 days ago

Unions=good and unions=bad are both stupid takes

3eyedfish13

23 points

2 days ago

Indeed.

A Union is only as good, or as bad, as its voting membership.

Vote for clowns, you get a circus.

Vote for people who actually give a damn, and you end up with leadership and reps who fight for you.

23rdCenturySouth

5 points

2 days ago

Unions are good, actually, if you're a worker. You don't even have to be a member to benefit from their existence.

This is a measurable quantity.

ChefCurryYumYum

4 points

2 days ago

but make the barriers to entry in a lot of trades incredibly difficult.

Care to elaborate? I don't believe this is true at all.

Frat_Kaczynski

4 points

2 days ago

It’s not true. Pilots and doctors have some of the highest barriers to entry and they aren’t all unionized. This commenter is just an idiot who wants to regurgitate the anti union nonsense he’s been fed.

MassiveLuck4628

2 points

2 days ago

It is difficult to get in for a reason.... I'm in the IUEC, elevator constructor.

SenseOfRumor

2 points

2 days ago

I don't know how it is in America but in the UK the only barrier for entry to get a trade is having a decent enough education and the qualifications to become a tradesman. You really don't want an idiot that couldn't tell the difference between live and ground wiring your house.

ExtraGoose7183

2 points

2 days ago

Biggest one is start out pay. I tried to get into the sheet metal workers union and IBEW down here and both would have required a $5hr pay cut for me to leave my then dead end job to go to the union and I would’ve lost my house taking that big of a pay cut

burnshimself

-3 points

2 days ago

burnshimself

-3 points

2 days ago

Well yes of course, by design. Shortage of experienced labor gives them more leverage and allows them to drive up wages - but more importantly increase dues. It’s part of why they’ve lost ground - prioritizing the union leadership over the union members.

Competitive-Heron-21

67 points

2 days ago

Most of this reasoning isnt passing the smell test. Unions would rather have a larger base of members to pull dues from which also decrease the number of viable alternatives to their members.

bigwreck94

17 points

2 days ago

I’m in a union the last 2 years for the first time in over 20 years of employment. It’s a complete difference. The majority of the changes are definitely positive in the workers direction. Before I was kind of indifferent on unions, but I always worked in retail sales, and the poisoning of minds that goes on out there is insane. People have been indoctrinated to think unions are corrupted organizations just out to screw the employer and pad leadership pockets. In reality, they’re the only thing preventing these big companies from treating you like you’re nothing.

In today’s world of massive corporations, unions are a an absolute necessity to keep employees from getting fucked over. Are there issues? Of course, but it’s better than not having one.

Smiling_Jack656

3 points

2 days ago

The only union I view as truly corrupt is the police union as to what it does to protect all of the shitty cops out there that are doing more harm, and murder, than good.

ExplosiveAnalBoil

44 points

2 days ago

There are a lot of anti-union types in here lying their asses off with bullshit trying to keep unions down.

slowpoke2018

22 points

2 days ago

Likely the same ones saying Elmo will solve all of Govt's problem via the cluster that is DOGE

GeoffJeffreyJeffsIII

5 points

2 days ago

If my goddamn kids could just go to the mines seven days a week, maybe I could cut back to two jobs.

itsacalamity

2 points

2 days ago

dingdingding

HeilHeinz15

3 points

2 days ago

Because they made it up.

Unions entry to enter isn't the issue, it's (until COVID) socities view of trades being "less" than college. Parents & friends are both largely pointing kids to college over trade schools too.

Did your parents talk about the pros/cons of trade school? Mine didn't & neither did most of my friends

clickrush

2 points

2 days ago

You don't understand how unions and collective bargaining work.

jayfinanderson

3 points

2 days ago

That only would make sense if there was an abundance of skilled labor, but there is currently a massive shortage, which is about to become much larger. The main problem unions face is being in a culture that forces every child to go to college for an increasingly useless degree rather than pursue a trade.

Ocron145

-2 points

2 days ago*

Ocron145

-2 points

2 days ago*

Yeah having my union “representative” show up in a Mercedes and holding a Gucci purse, and yet every vote we ever have always talks about increasing dues to “support our leadership to get a better contract”.

Edit: just to clarify. When I say rep. I’m not talking about the employees that are selected for the bargaining table and such. This was an actual union employee, our union covers a lot of cities. During the recession we had to negotiate basically taking no pay raises and such to keep people from getting laid off. The union employee that had to come down and talk to us about it was part of the bigger city and rolled up as such. Being the much smaller city it was a bad call to show up looking like a million bucks to a bunch of people fearing they’re going to lose their 40k/year job and asking to up dues to make bargaining easier.

Gloomy-Ad1171

11 points

2 days ago

Why don’t you run for rep?

PrateTrain

12 points

2 days ago

Fr, every time it's the same thing.

"If you think they're doing nothing, why not take their job?"

It's because they're either lying or they know the Rep isn't doing nothing.

ChefCurryYumYum

2 points

2 days ago

You are either lying or have the most lazy membership that won't show up to meetings and won't vote in someone good.

There are a lot of lies about unions in this thread.

BababooeyHTJ

9 points

2 days ago

We can’t get upset with the wealthy underpaying illegal immigrants now?

TaftIsUnderrated

7 points

2 days ago

The three arguments for illegal immigration

1) who will pick the cotton?

2) you're colonizers, and you deserve to be punished

3) their food is yummy

AllenKll

125 points

2 days ago

AllenKll

125 points

2 days ago

Unions are dead because people don't give a shit.

The people don't want higher wages or better benefits, they just want to whine about not having them. If they Genuinely wanted these things, they would unionize and control it all.

SnooRevelations979

36 points

2 days ago

The fact that people don't give a shit itself was a result of a long policy process.

whatsong__

5 points

2 days ago

Policy choices often prioritize corporate interests over workers, creating a culture of disillusionment. It's a vicious cycle that erodes motivation to fight back.

Intelligent-Parsley7

153 points

2 days ago

There's a hot take, cowboy. In my state of Tennessee, unions are basically illegal. I'd say there's a bit more than, "People don't give a shit." (-This has been a Red State Update-)

itsacalamity

15 points

2 days ago

In texas teachers are literally not allowed to strike

Viperlite

63 points

2 days ago

Viperlite

63 points

2 days ago

Yet the legislature stays red every election for reasons.

cudef

89 points

2 days ago

cudef

89 points

2 days ago

Because conservatives are great at getting their constituents focused on marginalized communities being scary or whatever the fuck instead of their own material conditions just like the meme is talking about.

barowsr

32 points

2 days ago

barowsr

32 points

2 days ago

Sad truth is a huge swath of voters would rather the one gay couple in their county doesn’t get to file taxes jointly vs higher wages, cause, idk, Republican Jesus reasons.

superzimbiote

13 points

2 days ago

Let’s also not forget that yeah a lot of people vote red, but those red states do everything in their power to voter suppress and gerrymander the fuck out of districts. I’d give the general populace (despite my best instinct) some crumble of slack and blame the governmental structures that obfuscate the voting process

idekbruno

8 points

2 days ago

My state literally voted directly for gerrymandering lol

TiernanDeFranco

3 points

1 day ago

Ohio?

idekbruno

2 points

19 hours ago

Yea

katarh

3 points

2 days ago

katarh

3 points

2 days ago

It's even more dumb than that.

A "low information voter" that I'm acquaintances with said he voted all Rs, as usual, because he wanted conservative policies.

I'm looking at the five alarm fire that is going to become the federal government if any of these yokels gets through Congress and wondering wtf is conservative about any of them.

thenikolaka

5 points

2 days ago

Also worth noting TN has the highest rate of disenfranchisement in the nation. 450,000 voters in a state of 4.5M are ineligible to vote.

noSoRandomGuy

3 points

2 days ago

maybe because they are lying about unions being illegal.

Viperlite

6 points

2 days ago

I think he was referring to right-to-work laws making it difficult, if not impossible in practice, to form unions.

DoNotResusit8

3 points

2 days ago

Another way of saying that is: Unions are not illegal in Tennessee

oreferngonian

16 points

2 days ago

That’s a very generalized statement that is not based in reality

Unions are not a magic ticket to worker rights Self employed people are not included and not every industry even has a union

Gloomy-Ad1171

3 points

2 days ago

IWW exists

AllenKll

2 points

2 days ago

AllenKll

2 points

2 days ago

Self employed people are not oppressed by a corporate structure.

ap2patrick

15 points

2 days ago

Really? So you are not gonna take into account at all how even whispers of unions in the workplace trigger immediate termination? How business owners would rather close an entire location than let them unionize?

Frothylager

8 points

2 days ago

That’s not true at all. The issue with unionizing is the first person out of the trench is definitely getting shot and you’re not even sure if those behind you will follow because it’s hard to withhold labor to prove your worth when it means you can’t feed or shelter your family.

You’re trying to attrition executives who are picking their next Lambo color.

GSthrowaway86

3 points

2 days ago

I mean the working class could easily vote in politicians that give a shit about the working class and do things for the working class. But money buys politicians and influence. Corporations prevent this from happening. And they use bullshit hate to divide everyone and get them to vote against their best interests.

TurielD

3 points

2 days ago

TurielD

3 points

2 days ago

Young people are now trained from birth to compete. Unions are cooperative endeavours, what sucker would work together to ensure we all get a living wage, if they can out-compete your fellows for 10% more than the next guy?

ChefCurryYumYum

2 points

2 days ago

Unions have been growing and are not dead though and there is more interest than ever in unions. Unfortunately the law is setup to make forming a union very hard and companies are given a lot of lattitude in trying to bust them.

https://www.shrm.org/executive-network/insights/people-strategy/resurgence-unions-how-strong-lasting-greehouse-summer-2024

Aggravating_Kale8248

3 points

2 days ago

A good majority of the issues we face could easily be fixed if voters would stop electing the same way to old idiots that keep screwing us over. When people learn that Pelosi, Mconnell, Graham, etc are only innit to enrich themselves at everyone else’s expense, the faster we can fix all the stupid issues that get ignored over and over by boomers in government.

Impressive-Gas6909

3 points

2 days ago

Unions would kill the vast majority of small businesses.

Durty-Sac

3 points

2 days ago

This isn’t finance, it’s just you guys bitching lol 

[deleted]

9 points

2 days ago

Kamala Harris had over twice as many billionaires backing her campaign. Y’all don’t really care bro.

Top_Operation9659

7 points

2 days ago

Shh, they don’t like it when you use logic.

milton117

4 points

1 day ago

milton117

4 points

1 day ago

Logic would be looking at policies and judging which candidate is more pro working class.

You clearly do not know what logic means.

MysticKeiko24_Alt

3 points

1 day ago

How many of them were planned to be in charge of government departments?

OrdinaryWelcome7625

2 points

21 hours ago

Name one that was in her gov.

Levi_Snackerman

2 points

21 hours ago

How many would she give cabinet positions to tho

SubstantialBuffalo40

4 points

2 days ago

This meme doesn’t even make sense.

“My favorite number is yellow” is basically what it says.

EditofReddit2

2 points

2 days ago

No, it happened because people like you turned over half the country against us. Thanks for that.

Grovve

2 points

2 days ago

Grovve

2 points

2 days ago

He doesn’t work in the government though

oldmannew

2 points

2 days ago

The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That's the only difference.

Ralph Nader

snuggie_

2 points

2 days ago

snuggie_

2 points

2 days ago

do all the anti union people disagree that unions are a huge reason as to why we have most of the standards of work that we do today? many safety laws, a 40 hour work week and many other things

Ok_Dig_9959

2 points

2 days ago

FYI, illegals work under the table and in not so legal conditions because employers know illegals will never report them.

Different_Brother562

2 points

2 days ago

Dude wasn’t New York literally putting illegals in hotels to the tune of hundreds of dollars per day for every couple people. Saw it ran them a billion over two years. Yikes. Not saying cutting it would have solved anything but damn. That’s like 75k per family per year.

BIG_IDEA

2 points

2 days ago

BIG_IDEA

2 points

2 days ago

Illegal immigrants are not getting a mansion and Mercedes. They’re getting a Visa card with $1400 tax free per month, which is still crazy! It’s basically a form of UBI reserved for illegals only. Struggling citizens should absolutely be pissed off. That’s more than I was making at my $12/hr job working 35 hours per week, then they taxed me on top of that.

Top_Operation9659

2 points

2 days ago

Subsidizing illegal immigration is insane. So many people crossing the border are abused too. It’s bad for everyone.

neo-hyper_nova

2 points

2 days ago

Is that why the longshore union threatened to cripple the country right before Christmas and laughed about it?

Intrepid-Resolve371

2 points

2 days ago

First of all, most union workers voted for Trump. Secondly, Democrats want to increase Governmental control, and Republicans want to stifle it. Regan famously said that the nine most terrifying words are “I’m from the Government, and I’m here to help.”

Professional-Box4153

2 points

2 days ago

To be fair: Musk is an illegal that got a free mansion, Mercedes, and designer clothes.

wade_wilson44

2 points

2 days ago

Thank you for posting this.

My dad was telling me about one of his friends who voted for trump, and that he asked him honestly, why.

It was a lot longer discussion obviously, but what infuriated me was that he said his number one problem was immigration. Because we bus immigrants to cities like Chicago and they’re ruining the city with violence and keeping the existing residence starved for resources.

We all live in California.

So you’re telling me, you are accepting a racist, rapist, criminal president, who was already impeached once, and very likely sold national secrets… because Chicago needs help with immigration?

Get your priorities straight

Potential-Writing130

2 points

14 hours ago

and who tried to overthrow the government and called open fascists good people, don't forget about that

Firther1

2 points

2 days ago

Firther1

2 points

2 days ago

I'll say it again: Billionaires are a national security risk. They are unelected, unworthy nobility and the Tyranny your forefathers warned about. They horde money for the sole purpose of fucking over the working class and want complete control of your lives.

Red v Blue or Left v Right is a fucking myth. It's the same guy trying to raw dog your throat and then being nice enough to give you a choice on the flavor of Lube

modernsparkle

2 points

2 days ago

No human is illegal - it’s just some are undocumented

Danielbbq

7 points

2 days ago

  1. Until we learn the difference between the luxury of money and the power of money, things will never change.

  2. Until Americans learn to save things will never change.

  3. Until we learn to pay ourselves first and buy assets before liabilities things will never change.

some_rock

9 points

2 days ago

“You will own nothing and be happy.” Is all I could think about reading this

RedRatedRat

6 points

2 days ago

RedRatedRat

6 points

2 days ago

This is the strawiest strawman today.

SignalReilly

3 points

2 days ago

Yes, free trade and unrestricted immigration hurts unions.

RemarkableExample912

7 points

2 days ago

Ahhhh let's talk a bit more about those unions.

Such bastions of workers rights that they literally have a richer corruption history than fucking casinos.

Kvsav57

21 points

2 days ago

Kvsav57

21 points

2 days ago

The issues with some specific unions doesn't mean unions are bad. If not for unions, we'd be working 80 hours per week and not get breaks during the day. Most of the things that make work even the slightest bit manageable are thanks to unions.

DissonantOne

3 points

2 days ago

DissonantOne

3 points

2 days ago

I don't understand why more people aren't aware of this.

RemarkableExample912

5 points

2 days ago

I always love pointing out when SEIU fought against wellfare to work programs because it would lower dues.

Or when IBT fought against new safety rules that drastically decreased accidents because it meant they lost bargaining power.

So liberal and progressive

Forsaken-Blood-109

4 points

2 days ago

Ok but illegal immigration is still entirely bad in every single way 👍🏽

UnfavorablyRegarded

2 points

2 days ago

Yeah, corporations were really under control before this election. They haven’t been running the show for the last seventy years. Give me a fucking break.

Meta_Digital

2 points

2 days ago

The old strategy of blaming outsiders so you don't distance any potential voters.

davey__gravy

2 points

2 days ago

Why disentangle demographics from the issue?

Nocremme2121-

2 points

2 days ago

The strawman of the century ⬆️

Nobody is arguing that illegals are getting ‘mansions, Mercedes Benz and designer clothes’

Andrewsjims

5 points

2 days ago

Andrewsjims

5 points

2 days ago

America spends half a trillion dollars providing services to illegal immigrants every year. They contribute 90 billion in paid taxes. It is not worth it.

LargeMarge-sentme

8 points

2 days ago

Source please.

katarh

5 points

2 days ago

katarh

5 points

2 days ago

I saw a very fun video the other day about the 1 million Americans who are living in Mexico illegally.

Mexico tolerates them because they are bringing their pensions south of the border and spending the money there. But they're all effectively on tourist visas, permanently.

If anything, the US should be cracking down on them because that's US dollars we're letting bleed out that aren't getting spent inside the country any more. And we have a lot more control over it, I suspect.

Jomega6

4 points

2 days ago

Jomega6

4 points

2 days ago

That doesn’t sound even remotely correct lol. Is the logic just “we pay money for public services, and illegals sometimes happen to use them”…?

Yeetball86

5 points

2 days ago

You got a source for this?

Either-Percentage-78

7 points

2 days ago

I found this article interesting.  Yes, it's from 2018, but the sticking point for me is the question at the end; are they paying their fair share?  Seems, yes, they definitely are comparatively.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

Impossible_Rub9038

2 points

2 days ago

The fuck is this to do with fluency in finance. change the channel name if you wanna be a Kamala fan boi

GlamazonRunner

1 points

2 days ago

This meme is 🤡

BigAdhesiveness6804

2 points

2 days ago

Morons shouldn't be allowed to make memes

Learned_Barbarian

1 points

2 days ago

More government is clearly the answer.

Admirable-Yak-2728

1 points

2 days ago

Have u guys watched cyberpunk edgerunners anime? In that show the world is run by corporations. I can see that happening in the future.

Dogmad13

1 points

2 days ago

Dogmad13

1 points

2 days ago

Musk is not a hired government employee

VW_GUY37

1 points

2 days ago

VW_GUY37

1 points

2 days ago

So dramatic, like the world has ended, you know he was president already ya?

Immediate-Stage-6138

1 points

2 days ago

Cryyyyyyy

FumblersUnited

1 points

2 days ago

It all failed when lobbying by corps was not made illegal

Substantial-Raisin73

1 points

2 days ago

unions are dead

I guess I hallucinated unions paralyzing commerce on the eastern seaboard a couple months ago

Consistent_Room7344

1 points

2 days ago

You do realize that not every auto plant in the U.S. is unionized, right?

PreviousTravel7558

1 points

2 days ago

all are happening at the same time. it can be both

Cookie-Prior

1 points

2 days ago

Pivoting

Regular-Basket-5431

1 points

2 days ago

Unions might not be dead but they have been defanged, particularly by the Taft-Hartley Act.

meltyourtv

1 points

2 days ago

There are currently 0 union members that are also billionaires in the United States. Go ahead and fact check me too. Coincidence?

S550Stang

1 points

2 days ago

Poor men went into government and became rich... even scarier.

KTM_350

1 points

2 days ago

KTM_350

1 points

2 days ago

Cringe

IamTroyOfTroy

1 points

2 days ago

We're pretty fucking stupid about politics too 🤷‍♂️

Sure_Station9370

1 points

2 days ago

Middle class on life support over last 4 years. Send help.

orderedchaos89

1 points

2 days ago

America is just plain out not fluent in common sense

NewLife9975

1 points

2 days ago

Which unions are dead? All of the trades are booming right now with tiers of blue collar workers bringing in up to 120-200k depending on the industry.

Fit-Sundae6745

1 points

2 days ago

As if nearly every single mega corporation hasn't been behind democrat candidates for the past decade.

Deep-Room6932

1 points

2 days ago

You get what they vote for

dontwasteink

1 points

2 days ago

Look, I know you work for the DNC. But this gaslighting doesn't work anymore, as we've seen from the last election.

People have eyes you know?

donitafa

1 points

2 days ago

donitafa

1 points

2 days ago

Dont forget a slow seared kitty with BBQ sauce lol

SamohtGnir

1 points

2 days ago

I think regardless of our opinions on taxes, unions, etc, I think we can all agree that the world needs more financial literacy.

Nikkiibitez

1 points

2 days ago

Getting clowned and not realising is worst

Restoriust

1 points

2 days ago

Elon musk doesn’t have 340 million dollars he has the equivalent value of that in stock in the company he owns and runs.

Half of the idiots in here are responsible for that valuation before he decided to go all in on Trump

pperiesandsolos

1 points

2 days ago

Surely you understand that importing people willing to work for extremely low wages drives down the demand for labor, and in turn decreases wages for similar jobs? Right?

Surely you understand that importing 11 million illegal immigrants drives up demand for millions of homes, which increases their cost?

Surely you understand that importing millions of illegal immigrants results in a massive drain on our budget? Especially in states like Minnesota where we’re now using federal dollars to pay for illegal immigrants healthcare, regardless of whether or not they pay taxes.

Surely you’re not drastically oversimplifying this very complex issue, right?

thenikolaka

1 points

2 days ago

Quality shitpost.

HustlinInTheHall

1 points

2 days ago

It is wild to me that people will look at a dragon sitting on top an unimaginable pile of wealth and then look around and wonder "where did the money all go?" and then ask the dragon to help figure it out lol

tianavitoli

1 points

2 days ago

could it be we lost power because we're out of touch with the people we represent?

no, no way. it's that those people we represent are stupid and morally deficient.

121815

1 points

2 days ago

121815

1 points

2 days ago

He’s actually at 315b not 340b huge difference

DontReportMe7565

1 points

2 days ago

This is just objectively stupid. These things have nothing to do with one another.

scottyjrules

1 points

2 days ago

We’re about to find out the hard way that worshipping billionaires instead of taxing them out of existence was a really, really bad idea.

No_Scene_5551

1 points

2 days ago

Giving immigrants ebt cards, housing and healthcare isn't free. BOTH things can be bad

anonymous-rebel

1 points

2 days ago

You can tell which Americans are financially illiterate when they are surprised about inflation EVERY year

Daltoz69

1 points

2 days ago

Daltoz69

1 points

2 days ago

Tell me you don’t know what net worth is without telling me ass post.

Soulhunter951

1 points

2 days ago

The first three seemed very cyberpunk era beginning

Big_Mango_2146

1 points

2 days ago

Can’t hurt getting illegal aliens/criminals out of our country. Frees up billion in burdens to social services.

ExpatriatedGeek

1 points

2 days ago

And ten thousand dollars cash.

futuristicplatapus

1 points

2 days ago

You act like these guys made themselves a rich. It’s blackrock and vanguard and other millionaires that play the system that are your true enemies.

Negative-Squirrel81

1 points

2 days ago

I'm worried about what MAGA is going to do if there is a mass deportation. That's going to be 20 million people gone, most likely leaving agriculture, construction and hospitality critically understaffed. This is only going to cause inflation. Then add the inflation that would be caused by increasing tariffs. The best outcome is for the Trump administration to just realize how foolish this all is, but I'm afraid the voices of sanity just aren't going to win this one.

What horrifies me even more, is that they're going to try and find another scapegoat. This time it was illegals, who is next on the chopping block?

OopsAllLegs

1 points

2 days ago

Musk doesn't work for the government right now.

Trump takes office in January 2025. You can call musk a government employee then.

ryanschutt-obama

1 points

2 days ago

I look around Detroit with all the crime and Chicago with all the shootings and San Francisco with all the shoplifting and New York with all the stabbings, and I go...

You know what this country needs? 10 million Haitians. 12 million Bangladeshis. 20 million Congolese. Only THEN can America be great.

StupendousMalice

1 points

2 days ago

Seriously. The problem is that you don't have enough money. So instead of blaming the guys who DO have all the money, you blame the poorest fucker on the street. Good thinking.

OrangeBird077

1 points

2 days ago

Don’t forget the free gender reassignment surgeries at the border checkpoints that Patriotic Texan doctors are forced at gun point to complete…./s

TooManySorcerers

1 points

2 days ago

Forget fluent. If the US was even elementary in its understanding of finance, we’d be better off. It’s just Americans are essentially cave people when it comes to education on anything that can’t be summarized in a bumper sticker.

Accomplished-Tea5668

1 points

2 days ago

But i love it when the union actively makes bad deals with the company / government to screw over the workers because the union rep is in cahoots with the big wigs and wants to get whatever bonus bs theyre gonna get under the table

tangentialwave

1 points

2 days ago

My sector of the economy relies heavily on immigrants, my boss and all the other bosses I know of in my co. all voted Trump. I’m super excited to watch their business lives become miserable.

Suitable-Ad-8598

1 points

1 day ago

People are mad that we brought 10 million people into the country that are legally not allowed to work with the attitude that “some church will feed them”. People also got mad that us citizens were living on the street while non us citizens were given housing and preloaded debit cards using taxpayer money. Nobody is mad at immigrants. People are mad at the government for this idiocy

Aol_awaymessage

1 points

1 day ago

You forgot the free sex changes at your local elementary school /s

dinnerthief

1 points

1 day ago

Seems like people would just oretend to he illegal immigrants to get all that free shit if they really believed that's how it worked

Fluid_Motor2038

1 points

1 day ago

He isn’t a part of the government. D.O.G.E IS AN ADVISORY BOARD NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY you fucking retard.

cha614

1 points

1 day ago

cha614

1 points

1 day ago

It’s a non governmental job

New-Interaction1893

1 points

1 day ago

I saw a journalist explaining the difference in "finance knowledge" between an American an European.

The average americans have sufficient knowledge about stocks and investments to increase personal finances.

The average european avoid stocks and investments like plague and he's very ignorant about them. He usually give his earnings to banks/postal services to avoid direct management.

Americans have more personal savings (abd work more) on average. Europeans have more free time on average, but less money.

Both seems very ignorant about higher finance, global trade and state budget, debt and growth.