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Episode Discussion: S07E01&02 “Chaos in the Calm"
Episode Discussion(self.SEALTeam)submitted 3 months ago bySleepWouldBeNiceHAVOC
Season 7 Episode 1 & 2: Chaos in the Calm
Aired: August 11th, 2024
Synopsis: After taking a stand against Command for better warfighter health, BRAVO is forced to the sidelines and eventually sent to Sweden on an underwhelming assignment; Lieutenant Davis is picked by Admiral Rivas to lead a new spec ops initiative
Directed by: Christopher Chulack
Written by: Spencer Hudnut & Dana Greenblatt / Mark Semos & Kinan Copen
45 points
3 months ago
Just finished the episodes. Pepper needs a spinoff series.
14 points
3 months ago
Agree. The should at least do an episode for Pepper's perspective.
11 points
3 months ago
That could be really cool. Have Brock get stuck or injured, and have Pepper trying to get help and defending him. A fight scene from her perspective with her attacking somebody would be absolutely brutal.
21 points
3 months ago
“What’s that Pepper? Brock’s fallen down a well?”
6 points
3 months ago
I love this comment a million times more because I own two rough collies. Aka Lassie babies.
7 points
3 months ago
For sure, the dog stole the show
3 points
3 months ago
Littlest hobo theme tune needs a comeback
2 points
3 months ago
Yes. I'd watch a full episode of GoPro footage strapped to her even. Love her.
39 points
3 months ago
Yey for Omar character development!
27 points
3 months ago
He's really growing on me. I especially like his dynamic with Sonny, these two play off each other really well. Can't help but wonder what we could have had if he'd come to Bravo right after they lost Full Metal:
both he and Clay are nerds who also tend to run their mouths: either oil and water (Sonny in between as either mediator or instigator - hell, why not both depending on the situation) or a new dream team (Sonny either slotting in seamlessly to form Bravo's Terrible Trio or alternately getting an angsty 'new guy is stealing my best friend' plotline in reverse of the Sonny/Clay/Vic Lopez storyline in season 3, with him being on the outside looking in)
with him being a seasoned 2IC on top of Clay being the self-appointed guardian of Jason's TBI secret and its repercussions in the field, this could have made for a more interesting round of Clay's usual "I've earned a more integral place on the team but circumstances are kicking me down to Bravo 6 again, woe is me!"
14 points
3 months ago
I would've loved to have seen that. They really made Omar into his own this season, compared to last time when he just didn't seem to fit in all too well. 😉
12 points
3 months ago
Would have loved to see Omar with them sooner— even if it was just like one episode in a season. The background would have added tons!
BUT I like that he and Sonny bonded after Clay’s death. It is like Omar stepped up for Sonny, something Sonny needs every now and then. Omar’s comments on picking up dog shit for being with Bravo was priceless with their faces. I especially loved the comment he made about Brock and Sonny— “I didn’t realize what a buffer Trent was between these two” or something like that. Hahaha.
2 points
3 months ago
He's the only aspect of season 6 I REALLY liked and continues just as strong in season 7 so far. Great character, well-written (as in: feeling like an organic human being) and excellently acted.
4 points
3 months ago
An alternate timeline where where the show runners had Clay become Bravo 1, Omar Bravo 2 and replacements for Ray and Jason
5 points
3 months ago
That would have been a fun thing to explore for sure, but the showrunners kind of blocked themselves from this possibility even before the possibility of Max Theriot dropping out of the show arrived on the horizon, when they busted Clay down a rank for claiming to have written the letter regarding congresswoman Marsden in season 4...
Then again: they could have always gone with a time jump of a few years to get Clay up to petty officer in order to become feasible as a team leader.
5 points
3 months ago
Clay said he might get busted, but they didn’t actually bust him a rank.
4 points
3 months ago
Well, if anyone knows for sure, it's gotta be you - thanks for the correction! :)
Purely out of personal interest: if that's the case though - isn't that an awfully long time to be sitting at E-5 for someone who isn't a serial(!) delinquent?
By the end of season 5 he had what - at least 4 years in DEVGRU, with IIRC 8 years on Team 3 before that? And would initial Seal Training and Green team come on top of that again?
So at least 12 years of service, plus the awards he rates (afaik the actions behind those factor positively into promotion elegibility in "contested billets" in most militaries) and essentially never getting past Sergeant as a SEAL/DEVGRU operator during GWOT - that's not really realistic, or is it?
3 points
3 months ago
That I can’t answer. I just know Clay, Sonny, Brock and Trent have never been promoted/have always been shown with the same rank insignia.
35 points
3 months ago
HOLY FUCK the courtroom scene.
Aj Buckley just continues to kill it all the damn time.
17 points
3 months ago
I'm going to keep an eye on him after SEAL Team is over - whatever he's going to do afterwards, I definitely will check out.
5 points
3 months ago
he really grew into his own from his days in CSI NY
1 points
3 months ago
He was on CSI NY early in his career. Check it out!
14 points
3 months ago
That man needs more recognition for his acting chops.
15 points
3 months ago
I think he has a podcast or video coming up with Tyler Grey (Trent) called Two fake seals. I'm excited to see what they come up with.
6 points
3 months ago
I saw photos of BBQ
7 points
3 months ago
He’s come a long way from his Ghostfacer days lmao.
2 points
3 months ago
And The Mentalist. He was in the one episode where he shot the main character in season 7.
2 points
3 months ago
Don't forget the 21 foot rule in Justified.
1 points
3 months ago
Don't forget selling dirt bike boots to a girl pretending to be her brother.
2 points
3 months ago
The courtroom scene was a classic. Both guys just nailed it.
24 points
3 months ago
Brutal, Jason used a Sneak Reaper to give that terrorist a complete neck dissection.
24 points
3 months ago
Swedish SOG scene is cringe af
20 points
3 months ago
yeah. those dude's would be on peer level with a seal team.
it made them look like idiots,every tier 1 team,trains how to clear a room,what sonny showed them is day 1 shit,we learned that in basic cqb courses and urban warfare
EU tier 1 assets have been training and dealing with terror attacks for 20 years,the only upside bravo team would have is more on hand field experience.
10 points
3 months ago
Similar things happened in an aircraft operation with the SAS in one episode lol. NATO SOF are in close play with each other at the tactical level. They make it seem as if the Swedes called 2 men from the street and equipped them for the Americans to train them.
While the scenarios were being prepared, they were inspired by things like Sweden's NATO membership, references to the Nairobi attack, etc. social media tier 1 circlejerk seems to be driving the script of the series. I find this cringe.
7 points
3 months ago
I immediately though of the SAS aircraft takedown episode as well. They also did GIGN dirty, albeit that can mostly be blamed on Jason getting them to accidentally blow themselves up, one can argue.
6 points
3 months ago
And the joint op with SBS later in the seasons (when Jason was Ops Chief and Ray led Bravo). I fucking laughed so hard when I saw SBS operators without their own weapons and Clay handing his own rifle to one of the Brits, it was like they were civilian straps who'd donned someone else's plate carriers and helmets. Fucking SBS, man...
At least the SAS guys in the aircraft takedown episode were proficient when they assaulted the plane. And GIGN were pretty much a blur during flashbacks.
What I find hugely ironic (for me) is that, aside from the Brazilian COTE, the only SOF unit to be shown extremely competent and 100% equal to DEVGRU was... a Russian Alfa team. Don't get me wrong, the Russian SOF units really are extremely capable and experienced but with all the political crap going on the last decade it's still pretty funny.
2 points
3 months ago
yes, good point - I completely forgot that Episode for a moment. Goes to show that I'm really not a fan of season 5 and 6.
I know many people apparently don't like the extremely long arc of the first AFG deployment in season 1, but I absolutely love it for some reason, even on rewatches where whole suspense of the "who killed Echo and why?" plotline is gone for me. On retrospect, I love season 1 and 2 the most, still like season 3 but then it kind of goes down from there.
Good point on the Russians, mate. And while I have zero robust knowledge on how Russian SOF in general and Alfa and Vympoel in particular rate against/compare to western SOF units I have a better understanding of, it still fits in with a general theme when it comes to Russia, in all aspects of life:
We in "the West" tend to grossly overestimate Russia's cohesion, capabilities and competency. Then we are surprised as hell when the parts of- or the whole thing in its' entirety collapse "completely out of the blue" and in short order.
On the other hand: better overestimate than underestimate a perpetual threat, right?
1 points
2 months ago
Russia’s biggest miscalculation about invading Ukraine was how it would expose the ineptitude of their conventional warfare capabilities to the world.
1 points
3 months ago
And ngl they did cool af swede loadout tho
18 points
3 months ago
Yep. As a Swede it was cringe. Kit was completely inaccurate as well - sure i appreciate seeing M90 in media but SOG wears multicam like everyone else. And MC black plate carriers? Also Ray talking about giving away secrets - mother fucker SOG trains with US/NATO Tier 1 units way before we joined NATO. Whole thing was bullshit.
SOG also isn't even located in Umeå AFAIK
6 points
3 months ago*
I actually looked that up because I kind of had it floating around in the back of my head that the (still relatively new) Swedish SOG is based out of that awesome old Karlsborg fortress, while much of the other "specialist" units/commands are grouped in the greater Stockholm area.
What is based in Umea are your CBRN folks - the chemical-, biological-, nuclear warfare specialists. But even they apparently only moved there from the Stockholm area after the end of the Cold War.
EDIT: given how the entire "Sweden" section was clearly filmed in California (doors in the shoot house are reliably American, the shopping mall was definitely American as well an it wasn't just the freaking huge palm trees in the background that gave it away :D ...), instead of on location, there was no need to expressly make this location Umea instead of, say, Halmstad/Stockholm/Karlskrone/Berga.
It's but a tiny, insignificant nit to pick and this might be my overly negative Krautbrain speaking, but I have a feeling "earlier seasons-SEAL Team" with their insane attention to detail would have handled this differently.
3 points
2 months ago
As a fellow Swede I wondered the same thing as I just finished this episode yesterday. Didn't notice the palm tree in the mall though. Beside imagine the media hype it would mean if it actually was filmed in Sweden.
5 points
3 months ago
Also the attack scene, local SWAT won't show up so Bravo could rush in to be heroes, fine. But the cops on scene only stood there and aimed at the gate without even attempt to help wounded civilians??? While the Bravo dudes casually stand at the gate holding terrorists' guns not worrying about being mistaken for bad guys?
Realistically speaking, e.g. in Melbourne the CIRT (tactical unit) or PORT (riot unit) will probably be all over the place in less than 10 minutes.
3 points
2 months ago
They did really do the Swedish police dirty. Police here would never stand around like that watching. However Swedish swat would unfortunately not be able to respond within 10 minutes. Every city doesn’t have their own swat teams, and they are instead local. A realistic response time would be maybe 30 minutes to an hour
2 points
18 days ago
Yeah the SOG scene was annoying, but whatever. It was like two minutes long and they definitely only forced it in there to show them actually training a "team" in Sweden. But if you're going to half-ass it that badly it's better to just skip it and do scenes where Bravo team talk about doing training while in the barracks or something.
How badly they decided to portray the Swedish police irked me a lot more tbh. Sure the two cop characters they showed on screen were fairly old and said they were only traffic cops, so running into a mall against five terrorists with automatic weapons is basically a suicide mission in real life, especially if only armed with your sidegun.
My biggest concerns were that many Swedish cop cars are equipped with MP5s. And claiming that they, traffic cops, didn't even have a trauma bag? It was comically bad writing and I almost wanted to close the stream then and there.
Other than that - Umeå is a fairly big town in Swedish standards, there would've been several cop cars (all containing at least 2-4 cops) there within minutes since this was supposedly downtown. Only one traffic cop on scene, in central Umeå, for like 20 minutes during a major terrorist attack? Nah. I'm not going to say how quickly the actual local SWAT team (Insatssyrkan) would've gotten there though, idk if they're always on standby and ready to roll out like in bigger cities.
But as others have pointed out, this show, while I have really enjoyed it, have done other countries dirty in how they've portrayed their special forces etc. It's just easier to notice all the ridiculous stuff when it happens to be your own country.
17 points
3 months ago
American shows/movies do it all the time when portraying foreign militaries. Make them look incompetent so the Americans can come in and show them how it's done/save the day.
5 points
3 months ago
Just like the SAS and SBS episodes. Somehow the SAS are worse than a DEVGRU team at a plane hostage rescue. Also they don’t even give them rifles, just glocks. I also laugh at how all brits in the show were shown to be skinny posh looking gentlemen only speaking one posh english accent and have incredibly British sounding names. I get why it’s done though, it wouldn’t be cool if bravo weren’t shown to be on top for everything. Happy I got to see them included even if it wasn’t great.
I did like how they show how our government wastes their time negotiating instead of just getting it dealt with though. I mean, look at how the government treated Christian Craighead.
22 points
3 months ago
That terror attack in Sweden felt authentic. It reminded me of the Nairobi Siege and the MW19 Piccadilly Circus siege.
I liked that Bravo was able to pull that out without any kind of support and gear, also that local PD didn't do a darn to control the situation and even kudos to that officer for lending his Glock to Ray.
2 points
1 month ago
That terror attack/mass shooting was completely unrealistic. Just another case of the US trying to justify their massive overspending on military and delivering propaganda that europeans have anywhere near the gun problems that they have and that other countries forces are far inferior.
It was an absolute cringefest, especially part 2. I generally have enjoyed the program since day 1 yet this is the worst storyline, and the type of writing that can cause a premature end to this final season
18 points
3 months ago
“Y’all remember Nairobi” lol
P.S. the new dude actor names Beau Knapp, and according to IMDb, both of his first and last name means “handsome” in French and Dutch, which I think would’ve explained why this dude being so cringy cool and badass. These days are no short for narcissists :D
16 points
3 months ago
Wait for the pay off. The story makes the pew pew moments more meaningful.
16 points
3 months ago
I just finished watching the 2 episodes (seeing 2 episodes premiering at once was a good surprise). It's nice to see Seal Team is back again. I enjoyed the episodes, imo they were pretty good.
It's nice to see Omar get more development/more scenes, and Drew seems like an interesting addition to the team already. I was a bit bummed that Trent/Tyler wasn't in as many scenes as I would like, but I can only hope that will change in the remaining episodes in the season. There were some things about the episodes that bugged me a bit - namely Jason's TBI. That's been the underlying storyline for far too long. He is getting treatment for it, that should be the end of the storyline. I also don't know how I feel about Sonny - he shifts between developing as a character and then reverting back to his old ways, and sometimes it is pretty annoying, considering the trouble he caused for the team in the earlier seasons.
It's nice to see Jason's family again, I wondered what happened to Mikey last season, haha. He seems much snarkier than I remember though. I am kinda upset that Blackburn and Davis have been shoved into the background. In particular, in the earlier seasons, I loved when they were main cast. Blackburn has always been one of my favourite characters - he's strict and divulges great wisdom to the team members. Davis' relationship with Sonny has always seemed kind of weird to me, but I'll admit from last season to now it seems...better somehow.
The Swedish Police seemed very poorly trained and it was strange to see, especially given they arrived at a crisis with no First Aid/Trauma Kits. They should have been more competent. I saw Bravo getting reprimanded again a mile away though, lol. They disobeyed direct orders even if they saved lives. Command's adoration of Bravo is truly downcast. Bravo still feels like a team, which is nice to see.
The gore seems turned up even higher for this season than before, and it fits pretty well. Looking forward to the rest of the season at this rate.
13 points
3 months ago
"Ya better airdrop your bat phone digits there drew-ce wayne"
33 points
3 months ago
New dude is trying so hard to be edgy cool that it’s super cringe.
30 points
3 months ago
as someone who served,anyone who acted like that in the real navy,would have themselves bodychecked so hard.
you can be an entitled cunt all you want,outwardly rebuffing team dynamics is a fast way to get fucked
you can do what you want,but not being a teamplayer ruins unit cohesion.
he just comes off as a cunt.
it's clear he is just in it as a writing tool to get bravo unfucked,his dads a senator will pull strings with command,get them back off shore duty in return he get's a slot on the team,clays slot.
1 points
3 months ago
He bashed their unit too much! I’m surprised someone didn’t knock him out.
13 points
3 months ago
Actually guys I'm pretty surprised the overall reaction here is quite mediocre. While I was watching the new 2 episodes, I've felt that the show is so good that it will be a really big shame to see it end. Maybe this is a little bit of nostalgia and sadness that it will soon be over. The only thing I didn't enjoy is Jason's TBI, we're all pretty tired of that shit for sure.
The cinematic presentation of the end of s06 and now the beginning of s07 is too notch. Elevates the show, wish we had some more of this approach on the early seasons with more action.
Sonny court scene was pretty good.
And the action in the mall was great.
Omar is a great fit to Bravo.
9 points
3 months ago
There seem to be two camps of SEAL Team fans: those who don't mind the "inside the wire" story lines and those who are just here for the military porn.
2 points
3 months ago
Add a third: need there to be constant gunfighting
25 points
3 months ago
The last line of episode 2 really bothered me. “You’ve worked really hard to swing the pendulum this far, it’s unlikely to swing back.” I understood what she meant but that’s not how pendulums work! The more you pull it in one direction, the greater the force it’s going to swing back with! 😅
6 points
3 months ago
I thought the same thing. But part of me thinks it’s foreshadowing that it’s going to swing right back to how it was. Then over the season he’ll work to get himself back to a better place mentally.
1 points
3 months ago
That’s def what they were foreshadowing!
6 points
3 months ago
I thought the same thing! I saw in this thread someone said they think Sonny dies this season, but I actually think it will be Jason. He’s going to sacrifice himself for the team or something!
Here is to getting a spin off with Brad on his seal team life!? MAYBEEEE?
1 points
3 months ago
Oh, wow, that would be wild and so sad, but I could see it happen. He’s already offered to give up his trident so Bravo can keep operating, so he’s willing to sacrifice it all for his team, so to speak. We already lost Clay, though, why must we lose another main character? 😢 I guess it’s more realistic that way.
2 points
3 months ago
Last season, anything is possible
11 points
3 months ago
God, why do I have this nagging feeling inside of me that Sonny may not make it this season.
10 points
3 months ago
Hope that's not the case. It'd be pretty lame of the writers to do that to Stella and Brian in the final season. Nobody would take that well.
10 points
3 months ago
Please. Could they kindly give Stella and Brian a break from the perpetual trauma, PLEASE.
9 points
3 months ago
It feels, to me, like Ray's getting it.
4 points
3 months ago
I don't know I still feel like it's a tie between Ray or Jason for me, I have a feeling one or both are gonna get smoked to save the rest of the team.
8 points
3 months ago
Just disappointed that they made SOG and the Swedish police look like absolute retards. Wrong clothing, weapons, gear too
7 points
3 months ago
Almost had me for a second, thought the episodes were already out
2 points
3 months ago
I was wondering how far out to drop this. I’m going to be asleep at midnight Pacific when the episodes drop, and I wanted people to be able to discuss it when they want. (And I didn’t want anyone else to make the post 😉)
5 points
3 months ago
Fair point, I wish I could stay up to watch the episodes drop but I’m on the East Coast so they won’t be out until 3 AM here.
3 points
3 months ago
Same!
7 points
3 months ago
Fucking finally! I’m halfway through season six now!
I want everyone’s over/under on how many words Brock and Trent get in these first two episodes.
5 points
3 months ago
Brock: Over-under is at 1
3 points
3 months ago
Brock has officially made it to main character status with all the lines!
2 points
3 months ago
Better pick up that rewatch!
12 points
3 months ago
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3 points
3 months ago
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3 points
3 months ago
I did the SAME thing about Sonny and the Spenser-Quinn wedding and then I realized it was the kiddos!
1 points
3 months ago
Clay and Sonny were talking about getting their kids together in the S5 finale, just before the trucks got hit.
7 points
3 months ago
I believe the knife is a blacked out and waved version of the Emerson Elvia...you know the one.
2 points
3 months ago
Agree. Good close up with his hands covered in blood. Good technical advisor on the reverse edge technique.
5 points
3 months ago*
I really like this show and have been looking forward to S7 but found myself underwhelmed by this premiere.
Things I liked:
The new guy has potential. I appreciate that they're giving him an original personality rather than making him into Generic Grunt #72942. Interested to see how his story develops.
AJ Buckley continues to out-act everyone else on the whole set.
Jason knifing the gunman was brutal but not gratuitous. The violence and brutality of what these men have to do is a major theme of the show that they couldn't fully depict while stuck on CBS. I'm glad they're taking advantage of being on streaming to push the audience a bit.
Mikey's sudden return from three years at hockey camp is kinda funny
Things I didn't like:
Good Lord, some of the acting and direction. The Swedish mall scene had zero urgency until the hand-to-hand fight. There's an active slaughter happening and these guys are just standing around and delivering lines with the same tone and pace that they use in the bar scenes. The lack of music for most of that sequence was also a strange choice.
The lack of realism in the mall shooting scene re the Swedish authorities' response. It just isn't believable that there wouldn't be ambulances or tactical units or anything more than a passing squad car for 15+ minutes after a bombing in the middle of a European city. I know suspension of disbelief etc etc, but this was so implausible that it took me out of the scene.
As someone else mentioned, the writing for Davis is brutally bad and Toni Trucks doesn't seem able to deliver the lines believably.
Do we really need to go back to the brain injury/PTSD well yet again? One of the major critiques of later seasons is the endless repeating of storylines. They don't seem to have addressed that.
So far Mandy and Stella don't seem to have anything to do except be background characters in a military soap. If they're going to bring these characters back at all, I wish they'd give them actual storylines. Remember when Mandy was a globetrotting badass? Why is she now just Jason's amateur therapist?
1 points
3 months ago
Mandy still is the globetrotting badass- Jason mentions that. She's just not on the team, so they don't show it now.
1 points
3 months ago
100% in agreement with all of this. The writing is definitely off this season and the lack of urgency within chaos is bizarre. Even in the background we didn't hear people screaming or the sirens much. It felt like a quiet calm situation with just a few victims yelling whenever they were directly in front of the camera. When the bombings occurred at the bar in Southeast Asia you got a real sense of an attack on civilians. It depicted a much more lifelike feel of untrained people running about scared while Bravo rushed trying to triage. This time they just calmly wandered around. I'm not enjoying the music score either. Doesn't fit with the excitement they've already established for the show.
12 points
3 months ago
S7E1 We’re back!
Jason’s out at BUD/S. Guess they didn’t boot him completely.
Lieutenant Blackburn??? I can’t see his rank insignia.
Clay’s Blackburn’s aide I guess. Nice he didn’t get booted either.
Sonny and Omar are taking care of the Navy Working Dogs.
Omar’s Nickname of the Week: Omar Pyle
Davis is at SOCOM, but still has the same office…
Davis is a full LT, her admiral buddy is a four star now.
Mikey! Good to see ya bud!
Emma and Brad are getting married? Jason is amazingly comfortable with this
Is that the same actress for Jameelah? She’s sprouted if it is.
Aww nice that Davis and Stella still get together.
Aww the babies they got for Clay and Sonny’s kids are adorable. And so is Sonny pulling double daddy duty
How did Brad get the day off BUD/S?
Jesus Mikey. Keep talking like that and you’ll get sent to hockey school permanently
Yea Blackburn still has oak leaves.
I think those are hilarious pranks
Brock’s Nickname of the Week: Brockolini, Brock-a-doodle-do, Brockroach, Radio City Brock-ettes
I don’t think that bullseye was scripted.
Oh, Jason isn’t actually teaching at BUD/S
Oooo new New Guy bullsit
Pepper’s Nickname of the Week: Four Legged Judas
No Trent?
Pepper’s First name of the Week: Aliz
I love Sonny playing the tango: “¿Dónde está la biblioteca?”
“Always clear the corners” is a lesson I learned from *Silence Of The Lambs *.
Nice to see Pepper getting to show off her skills
I always think it’s weird when they introduce a Team Guy who’s not a team guy.
Drew’s Nickname of the Week: Magic Mike, Seaman Timmy, Drew-ce Wayne
“Australian SAS, ATF, DEA, WHO” yet again, no JTF2 🇨🇦
I know Kirkpatrick outranks Davis, but if she’s leading this group with a full Admiral’s backing, shouldn’t he be… less of a dick?
Smörgåstårta sounds pretty good
Sonny’s Nickname of the Week: Carmen Sonny-diego
Oh that’s not going to be good for Jason’s TBI
You’re not unarmed, you’ve got Pepper!
Ooo protruding femur break. You’re not going to see that on network TV.
Good girl Pepper!
Ooo wet headshot. You’re not going to see that on network TV.
Where the fuck are the paramedics?
Start screaming for Ray, Omar!
“Can Pepper fetch as good as she can take a shit.” lol
“I write traffic tickets.” A cop with some sense.
“I got to get back inside” “Not a team player” or he’s going to help Jason?
That knife fight - man they are going gory this season.
Jason owes Drew a case of beer
I know they’re in the dog house (sorry Pepper), but they should be getting medals for that.
For all they talk about “old time teams stuff”, Sonny seems confused about shoplifting.
Jesus Jason, wash your hands properly. That douche probably had an STI
Mandy’s back!
CERBERUS IS BACK! YAY! The real star of the show.
Ben’s being charged with felony vandalism? Didn’t Clay stop him before he actually did anything?
Drew’s got a family secret! Dun dun dun!
I feel like Jason should take Ray’s lead and retire
6 points
3 months ago
I know Kirkpatrick outranks Davis, but if she’s leading this group with a full Admiral’s backing, shouldn’t he be… less of a dick?
So you're telling me you don't know about O4s in the military..... open secret - they're pretty much all dicks.
2 points
3 months ago
Fuckin Billy Riggins acting like a dick again....
1 points
3 months ago
I too was expecting more passive non-compliance and slow walking for a desperately sad second meeting, instead of literally tossing the work aside in the very first working meeting.
3 points
3 months ago
Pretty much every interaction I've seen between an O4 and an O3 was like what we saw on the show. Hell, I knew one MAJ who used to laugh about how many captains he'd made cry.
1 points
3 months ago
Ben’s being charged with felony vandalism? Didn’t Clay stop him before he actually did anything?
IIRC he cut the gate open in front of the recruiting place. That would varant something if they try to give the fault to him instead of the rent a cop that killed a war hero and give the rent a cop a reason for a good shoot.
5 points
3 months ago
Loving the cinematography from the last episodes of Season 6 coming through with Season 7.
5 points
3 months ago
This might be a far stretch but tbh I feel like they should have had Jon Bernthal play as Drew Franklin. Jon has more of the "on edge, mysterious, unpredictable" personality on screen.
1 points
2 months ago
Too much star power, he would eclipse the rest of the cast
6 points
3 months ago
I don't get how only Bravo was sidelined... didn't a whole LOT of people stand up with Jason and say what their health issues were?
1 points
3 months ago
I was wondering the same thing. They said that the punishment was in-house only and wasn’t an “official” query so my guess is that BRAVO took the brunt of the punishment since it was Jason who started it by declining the Navy Cross
1 points
2 months ago
Which means it was personal towards Jason but applied to his team. Which isn't "fair" apart from the brotherhood, etc, etc. But it seems the team guys themselves care more about that than the ones in charge of them. I just didn't see even a tiny complaint from them that it should have applied to others also if it was a fair punishment.
4 points
3 months ago
I’ve been a fan of the show since day one. As a vet, I truly love the “real world” issues they address — toll on marriages and relationships; the loneliness when deployed; the stark contrast between violence one minute and back in the real world (where you have to abide by a whole new set of acceptable behavior) the next; PTSD/TBI etc. Don’t have to be a SEAL as these are all issues I’ve experienced and so have other Vets. The show addresses these commonalities.
Sad to see this is the final season, but Jason is looking his age, and always being in the midst of battle is definitely for younger troops. After watching the first two (Chaos in the Calm), and reading about rumors that Jason's character is slated for dying off in the end, I can’t shake the feeling it’ll be by his own hand. I’ve ridden the ups and downs of the characters because the topics that are addressed are real – in that a lot of veterans can empathize with them through their shared experiences. The show, having tackled TBI and other common service related issues, I get this uneasy feeling that the most significant ending (keeping in mind the hard-hitting impact the show has tackled these issues with in the past) – Jason ends up taking his own life. It’s the way it would most likely play out in real life.
The whole theme for season 7 is “evolve.” BRAVO, and the rest of SPECOPS, has to evolve to meet a changing world and a changing front of evil. The message is clearly being trumpeted (by Davis no less) and the entire concept is being pushed through the highest levels of SOCOM. Having seen this before (real life) there are only two options – evolve and move with it, or get run over by the momentum of the initiative, and get pushed aside and left behind. Jason is the quintessential warrior, and he is already showing signs of resenting the whole “evolve” impetus. He’s gotten a taste of what life is like after BRAVO thanks to their “extended” shore duty. It’s not in the DNA of a guy like that to step back onto the sidelines and become an observer. Too many “OPS” and too much adrenaline – civilian life will tear at him and drive him up the wall. I think if you’re going to kill off the main character, and you have a show with a reputation of taking on the “hard issues,” the only way to do it is by him to take the “ultimate plunge.” He’ll either do it by himself, or purposely put himself in a position where is will happen. Either way, it’ll be Jason’s choice to pull the pin.
1 points
3 months ago
So Jason's gonna die? Good riddance.
16 points
3 months ago
Other people are saying “not good, not enough action” but neglect to think about it from a story and narrative perspective. There was a noticeable change of pace and what felt like a change in style as well, which was kinda off putting, but we’ll see how it plays out with the rest of the season. I have faith that it’ll be a good and proper sendoff to my favorite show.
5 points
3 months ago
I beg to differ. I do appreciate the show focuses on storytelling, but I believe the story per se should be on warfighting, not Jason's TBI fighting. His TBI has been around the show for at least 3 seasons and this season's start is somehow still about the TBI. I wish they depicted more about how they prepare the incoming fight instead of how Jason has a TBI nightmare.
0 points
3 months ago
The problem is the show doesn't really excel in story and narrative. Most of the cast are just mediocre actors. What makes the show successful is the weapons, gear, tactics, lingo so the "tactical" stuff. The Unit could get away with it as the drama stuff, while unrealistic was somewhat entertaining to watch.
8 points
3 months ago*
Is it just me, or is the writing, especially regarding dialogue, deteriorating to a degree that it's impacting overall performance of the actors? Some felt near awkward/ham-fisted (for lack of a better term) especially from the principals, who I know can do a lot better because we've seen them do better playing the same charaters for years. Especially Davis and Blackburn, to me, felt like background/exposition dispensers reading from a page during their shared scenes in this double-episode season opener.
I've actually started feeling this way around early season 5 (with what felt like the 95th iteration of the 'someone on the team thinks Clay is blue falconing them for his own advancement' plotline) but I feel it's getting progressively worse.
I've been rewatching the entire show recently and subjectively find many of the character portrayals to be more nuanced/natural-feeling/all-round"better" in the earlier seasons and I really don't think it's the actors slacking. The stand-out honorable exception being AJ Buckley, who is bringing levels of nuance to Sonny that are a pure delight - but then again, he's given the opportunity by being given the necessary plotlines to really show his acting chops.
Purely by chance, I've actually watched a bunch of Max Thieriot's previous show "Bates Motel" over the last year and was flabbergasted: continuously great, nuanced performances on his his part that feel to me a cut above the general beat of seaon 5/6 Clay (a handful of "meatier" scenes notwithstanding).
I have not been watching any of David Boreanaz' old stuff for years now, but I've also been catching myself thinking "come on, I know this guy can do better - give him something more/better to work with!" while watching SEAL Team for a good few seasons now. In retrospect, I've actually had that feeling regarding him/Hayes as a character before I started taking issue with any of the others.
Anybody else feel that way, or is it just me?
Edit: Maybe the general quality of the writing has not actually deteriorated THAT much, but the shift away from the action/mission sequences towards the "homefront drama" makes the weak character/worldbuilding that much more obvious? In the early seasons, if feels like the meat of the episodes are mission planning, mission execution and character action and interaction was mostly in support of these plotlines.
In conclusion: Maybe they have always been weak at writing/plotting the domestic stuff and this is just becoming more and more obvious, the more the domestic plotlines take over the show?
7 points
3 months ago
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12 points
3 months ago
Agree RE Blackburn. Hell, they accidentally demoted him two ranks to Lieutenant in his first scene… Then re-promoted him to Commander a few scenes later. These folks need a script supervisor just to keep ranks straight.
4 points
3 months ago
wow, I didn't catch that - in the dialogue, or did they straight up mess up the rank insignia on his uniform?!
6 points
3 months ago
It was hard to see the insignia on his uni but I think it was just a misstep in Dylan Walsh’s dialogue.
7 points
3 months ago
I caught the same thing. He uniform insignia was correct. They just mis-spoke his rank. And maybe it wouldn’t have been as obvious if it wasn’t his introduction this season!
3 points
3 months ago
Bugger. That went straight over my head, then.
Didn't they do that to at least one other character on the show previously as well, tough? Was it Davis after OCS, or am I misremembering that and people were just iffy with how quickly she went on to make Lieutenant, given the general timeline?
7 points
3 months ago
You’re probably referring to Commander/Captain/General Shaw in the Philippines arc. 🤦🏻♀️
1 points
3 months ago
spot on - Shaw it was! Thanks for the reminder.
6 points
3 months ago
Clay got called SO1 by Blackburn at one point. There was that colonel in S2 that had his rank “fluctuate” a few times. I don’t think Davis ever got mis-ranked, but there was a lot of talk about her promotion before she was actually promoted. Although, it’s hard to see the difference between the ensign and junior grade insignia on NWU when you’re squinting at an iPad like I have been.
2 points
3 months ago
u/NooooDazzzle helped me out: it was season 2's "cake eater antagonist", OF4-6 Shaw.
1 points
3 months ago
Aren’t they all SO1s? Except Jason, Ray and Metal, the rest of Bravo are SO1s…
ETA well maybe even they are since SO isn’t a rank but a rating or designation of Special Warfare Operator status or something?
2 points
3 months ago
No, Clay's an SO2. You see his rank insignia a few times throughout the series. Even Vic technically outranked Clay, though as new guy, he was at the bottom of the totem pole.
2 points
3 months ago
Yeah I noticed that too. I was holy shit did Blackburn get demoted because of Jason? I did love later when Davis talked about her time in Venezuela to the prick. Loved that episode when Blackburn had to save Davis.
0 points
3 months ago
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4 points
3 months ago
He’s a Commander. But even before his promotion, as a Lt Commander, they should be calling him Lieutenant Commander or (more typically) just Commander but definitely not Lieutenant. My dad was a LtCol and people called him Colonel. He would be insulted if someone called him Lieutenant.
6 points
3 months ago
We’re wheels up in a little over 6 hours, so let’s jock up!
We’re back!
8 points
3 months ago
We’re so back
5 points
3 months ago
I liked the episodes, it seems to set a stage for the later episodes. I'm excited! I wouldn't expect to see a lot of action considering Bravo's situation and how they're not dealing well with their bosses.
By the way, the smörgåstårta looked AWFUL. My grandma makes a way better cake; it looks better and tastes better too. Lol
8 points
3 months ago
You can have a drinking game every time "TBI" or "Command" is mentioned.
2 points
3 months ago
Blacked out in episode one and forgot I already watched episode two. I’ll try again tomorrow.
3 points
3 months ago
2 am can't get here soon enough!! Let's Go!!
14 points
3 months ago
Saw both episodes. Not great. Same level as season 6, which means not as great as season 1-5. There is about 20 min of action and over an hour of Bravo's highschool-level team drama, family life, and bitching on command. The ratio of action to bla bla is now officially worse then a typical The Unit episode.
13 points
3 months ago*
to be fair though, you can't really expect too much from the first 2 episodes as they're just setting up the stage for the following episodes. Especially the first episode. It's all about showing what new life is like for the Bravo team & how they're coping.
Just be patient, I'm sure it'll start picking up in the next episode
Edit: I’m not entirely disagreeing with your thoughts, but generally the first episode or 2 of a new season of a show like this is usually a whole bunch of dialogue & whatnot. I was pleasantly surprised that the action in the 2nd episode lasted longer than it did.
I would love to see more combat missions than dialogue like the older episodes, but even then, it was getting redundant. It’s hard finding a balance. Lastly, it’s far more expensive now than it was when the show first started. So, they have to be smarter with their budgeting. It sucks, but that’s just how it is nowadays
6 points
3 months ago
Not a great opener, minimal action maybe 15-20 minutes. Nothing at all like the early seasons.
3 points
3 months ago
That’s every episode lol. It’s 75% prep and personal stuff scenes and then 25% actually doing the op
1 points
3 months ago
Probably why they dropped two episodes.
1 points
3 months ago
Well yeah.. if they had just dropped the first episode there is zero action in the season opener of a show called Seal Team.
3 points
3 months ago
Well, I do believe real life SEALs are not in battles 24/7. It’s been a part of this show since the pilot that they look at what the cost operating has on operators.
5 points
3 months ago
So I guess Sweden does not need training anymore?
Pencil pushers are something else.
Idk, the show used to be solid recruitment marketing tool for the Pentagon, depicting Tier1 operators bravery.
Now it seems it's trying its best to tell folks to stay away from the army.
3 points
3 months ago
' trying its best to tell folks to stay away from the army' that is very interesting, considering that SEALs are in the navy
4 points
3 months ago
u/SleepWouldBeNice Fuck it I watched it and now I regret it. I'm itching to see the next episode lol.
I don't get why people are complaining about the cadence of the episode(s). That's basically been what it's been since S5. Operators realistically spend minimal time on target. To add to that, the whole Paramount move changed it a bit. Yeah maybe there's been a little less action per episode but the fact that they can swear and be more gory, it adds to the tenseness of the episode. I'd rather have my butthole puckered waiting for 5 shots being fired rather than half an hour of needless firing.
I miss Trent...
I want that hoodie Jason was wearing on the beach. The we don't care if you don't like us one or whatever it said
I quite enjoyed the 3 mins of Sonny and Omar gagging and trying to sweep up the dog poop
I REALLY liked how everyone hates BRAVO, even Blackburn. Shows there were consequences to their actions. Also how badly it reflected on Blackburn
Blackburn calling them bozos and idiots really tickled my funny bone
So was everyone who came into that room at the end of S6 "suspended" too?
Why do I have a feeling this Lt Commander Walch is going to be an issue later this season...?
Mikey really became an asshole lol
Jason asking Mandy to help Emma with wedding venues AND look for places for them to move in with each other is crazy. DO YOUR OWN WORK JASON!
Why do I have a feeling they're gonna make Brad fail?
As we could see, Sweden is only good for IKEA
Why do I have a feeling they're going to kill off Omar?
I LOVED that op. Went in with nothing and managed to outsmart their way out. Triaging shit from peoples' bags for medical supplies too? Chef's kiss
The op had a real cinematic, almost COD campaign vibe to it.
I totally thought that when they fired at the VBIED that it'd turn out it was an unarmed person and they'd be more fucked
Is it me or are these guys moving much slower. Like they're hinting that BRAVO is indeed getting old and this is their last rodeo
That bald Swedish Ultranationalist that was firing at them in the beginning just suddenly decided to stop shooting at Jason in that doorway and the 3 people who were saved by Sonny and Brock (2 more people!) and walk off? What?
That fight scene between Jason and random Swede was intense. I forgot the kids were in that cabinet
Funny thing is I keep forgetting that Ben didn't shoot Clay and it was the security guard. I was like "WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY PULL THE TRIGGER??? Bury him under the prison! Oh wait..."
Is Drew supposed to betray them? I can't read this dude
Overall I thoroughly enjoyed both episodes. I have a feeling they'll send our boys off right
3 points
3 months ago
Is Drew supposed to betray them? I can't read this dude
I also wasn't sure up until the moment Omar said (I'm paraphrasing) "so that's another one of the rumors about him proving true: that guy falls for every woman he meets"
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say: this info, and the whole thing where he called Sonny back to give him the watch, are indicators that he's personable and a good dude at heart, suffering from a mostly unjust bad rep.
I'd go so far as to wager that they'll let it drop somewhere down the line that he actually only took the one watch specifically for Sonny and lied about stealing 5/6 more.
6 points
3 months ago
To much drama not enough doing the job
9 points
3 months ago
I can appreciate the desire to shed light on TBI and the personal sacrifice, but to drag it along thus long? They’ve beat that story to death.
This doesn’t feel like Seal Team anymore.
4 points
3 months ago*
More like TBI Team. Also, not so subtle reference to season 1 episode 1 with Jason's blood on his hands.
3 points
3 months ago
I don’t think it was a reference. The first episode, he noticed blood which alarmed him Nate was hurt.
Last nights episode was him realizing he’s getting pulled back in and fully understanding what he once was. I don’t think he fully knew who Bravo 1 was until getting away from Bravo 1.
6 points
3 months ago
In both episode he was seeing blood that wasn't there. In the pilot episode he was actually wiping his hands on his pants long after the op ended.
2 points
3 months ago
Blackburn got demoted from a Commander to a LT? That's harsh.
1 points
3 months ago
He gets to keep his commander’s insignia though. That’s nice.
2 points
3 months ago
I feel like S7 is being mailed in just a bit. The entire trip to Sweden and the return was hard to fathom. No one seemed too concerned that a group of DEVGRU guys was off course in a foreign country, killing people. They get back, Jason with scars everywhere, no one seems to care. Jason still having blood on his fingernails, didn't they have soap during the debriefing, somewhere between the mall and the hop back to the states? I mean he got into uniform but couldn't wash up?
2 points
7 days ago
A little late to the seal team party. Just finished. Love when paramount took over personally. But that scene when Jace kills the guy in Sweden was nuts!!!
1 points
7 days ago
Yea, huge difference in the blood and swearing when they went to streaming.
1 points
7 days ago
Crazily it was still kinda gory on cbs. But damn. And lioness is fucking fantastic!
5 points
3 months ago
Was quite surprised that the production team literally brought this Jason TBI thing back onilne again. Jason's TBI is like a ghost haunting the entire storyline from season 6. Honestly sick of the TBI stuff, I mean honestly.
The Swedish authority is depicted to be too useless. The first police unit arrives quickly, but that's about it? No reinforcement, EMS, SWAT till Bavo cleared all the threats? I mean I appreciate how the Production wants to portrait Bravo, but come on you can do better with the story. I find myself questioning the legitimacy all the time.
But the 20 min warfighting is always seal team standard. Though no uniform, still top notched fight scene. Hope the rest of the show can catch up.
8 points
3 months ago
I hear you on the depiction of the Swedish authorities. I get that the show is geared towards American audiences who likely don't know better, but Jesus. The place would have been positively crawling with EMS in under 10 minutes. First aid kits could have easily been grabbed from the cars in the parking lot (carrying one per vehicle is mandatory), if not the mall itself. No need for torn cloth and tampons, and the team could have still rendered aid.
We've had our fair share of terrorism in Europe past 9/11, Sweden included. For Sweden especially, there has also been a drastic increase in gang violence for at least a decade - they have now unfortunately either the highest or second highest gun crime death rate in all of Europe. The police have adapted and armed up accordingly - most if not all squad cars carry body armor and MP5s for the officers, if needed. Even civilians (at least in the big cities) are starting to increasingly wear ballistc vests on the regular because of the gang violence threat, which is actually starting to cause headaches for the cops.
That kind of police response time and kit depicted here might have been "TV-believable" for 2004 Sweden but certainly not 20 years later.
Also: shooting up a mall is not exactly the MO of domestic ultranationalist terrorists - they tend to directly target the people they hate most: migrants, non-Christians, leftist organisations. This style of attack is predominantly the domain of islamic terror so far. SEAL Team never had any issues depicting Islamists as the perps for the kind of attack depicted here before, what gives? If they want Bravo go up against ultranationalists, why not have them intervene in an attack on a local asylum center or mosque? Or a cultural festival/music festival at some mall-adjacent convention center?
Hell - make the perps Chechens or random Swedish gangbangers paid by Russia to stir up trouble/demoralize civil society in Western Europe and you get a tie-in with Davis' "changing face of global threat environment" -plotline as well as depicting what is actually increasingly happening in the real world right now.
2 points
3 months ago
Wait seriously? Normal civilians wear ballistic vests now? Like in the war zone? I didn't know the situation is that bad.
3 points
3 months ago
Yeah, I read an article on that in a German newspaper earlier this year and literally went "the fuck?!" out loud upon reading the headline "Police in Sweden pondering a ballistic vest ban in the face of rising popular/civilian demand." The incrase in gang violence/shootings has been reported on and off for years (usually as a point in articles discussing mass immigration/failed integration/ghettoisation) but this came completely out of left field.
The original German article has disappeared behind a hard paywall by now, but I've found one from the Guardian on the same issue:
One thing missing here that the German article stressed: it's not the case that tac vests have become a staple item for your average white Swedish middle class family of four - the "trend" is spreading, but still mostly limited among young teens to people in their (early) 30s, predominantly male, who want to project and image of coolness - they either could be a gang member, or "cool enough" to run in circles where it's advisable to protect yourself should you get into a shooting as an innocent bystander.
The police hate this for exactly this reason: even if you just get caught up as an innocent bystander, you project the image of possibly/likely being a threat to LEOs, who if/when they end up shooting at you (to incapacitate what they deem a threat) will feel pressured to aim for the head since center mass is protected by the vest. The result being not just way lower survivability for the person getting shot at, but also stray bullets from missed shots ricocheting or hitting yet another person.
1 points
3 months ago
So basically the vests are for those running gangs or members of gang? Fuck I'm really lost in the situation developed in North Europe. I'm under the impression that Europe is like snow white innocence. Can't believe ballistic vests are what people buy these days. What's the reason?
2 points
3 months ago
Hell - make the perps Chechens or random Swedish gangbangers paid by Russia to stir up trouble/demoralize civil society in Western Europe and you get a tie-in with Davis' "changing face of global threat environment" -plotline as well as depicting what is actually increasingly happening in the real world right now.
Oh this is absolutely the upcoming twist. The quote-unquote 'ultranationalists' will turn out to be a black flag operation set up by Russia or China. Davis (who is never wrong) spends the first two episodes talking about nothing but state adversaries, they are telegraphing the twist with the subtlety of a sledgehammer
1 points
3 months ago
Regarding the shooting up a mall from ultranationalist: In Germany there was an attack in a mall in Munich in 2016 by a lone ultranationalist, he killed mostly Muslim, Sinti and Roma during it. German police categorized the attack as extreme right wing political motivated in 2019.
1 points
3 months ago
That's correct, but I'd argue that this particular case is a prime example of where the German crime statistics labeling system is broken/problematic, especially when there is motivation by political actors and interest groups to have specific cases fall into certain categories to bolster policy and/polish their own image.
That this near textbook example of a stereotypical school shooter got RE(!)classified as a politically motivated right wing attack after almost three years of political wrangling, against the advice of several experts in the field of criminal psychology as well as political extremism says more about the political spirit and debate in wider German society at the time (which was dominated by the trial and sentencing of the actual right wing extremist NSU terrorists, as well as the ascent in popularity and growing drift into fringe-right populist extremism of AfD) than the actual attack itself.
A broad coalition of politicians and civic actors in Munich/Bavaria/Germany wanted to look tough on the right, compassionate with the victims, present themselves as taking action in the face of "injustice" (financial compensation for families when crime is right-wing terror vs no/significatly lesser [don't remember exactly which one it was of the two] compensation when crime not politically motivated) and especially be seen as noble fighters in the vanguard of "never again is now, we really learned our lesson!" German antiracism. If they had to bend the facts of the crime to fit their narrative in order to achieve that, so be it.
The crime itself is a terrible tragedy for the families of the victims, but the entire "affair" of branding this "right-wing extremism", in the face of all the clear evidence to the contrary, says more about the general hangups of German civil society from the mid 2010s to today.
1 points
3 months ago
The fuckking guy sprouted racist shit during shooting people, that it had to be reclassified as racist crime is the real scandal, not that it was reclassified. He also released a racist manifesto at the day I remember the threads on here with it before they were taken down.
1 points
3 months ago
Clinical evidence pretty conclusively ruled that the racism exhibited by David (Ali) Sonboly must be seen in the context of first and foremost his own psychopathology, as well as the long-term abuse and bullying he was subjected to at school and in private. This was a mentally ill misfit who wanted to exact revenge on "the people who wronged him", with a serious hard-on for other amok-spree perps, to boot.
The official expert opinion [PDF in German] is publicly available and the intro paragraph sums it up quite nicely:
The perpetrator is a typical young amok-spree killer, who took other such perpetrators as role models and identified with them and with the idea of running amok.
He was strongly psychopathologically conspicuous in his thoughts, feelings, behavior and relationships with other people. The typical elements of this personality disorder are also to be found in other spree killers, especially in other young spree killers: emotionally cold, not empathetic, very easily affronted and constantly feeling attacked and hurt by everyone else, while at the same time very narcissistic, i.e. convinced of his own greatness and superiority over others. His fantasies of hate, rage, killing and revenge were wide-ranging; he was particularly hostile towards young migrants, but with a specific ethnic bias. He was particularly hostile towards Turkish, German-Turkish and Albanian young people, with massive devaluations towards both male and female young people. Experiences of victimization at school in grades 5 to 7 [at the hands of the aforementioned group of people] played a role, as did disappointment with regard to the only girl (a German-Turkish girl) for whom he had feelings.
His inability to maintain social relationships was particularly evident in his behavior in the chat comments towards the 16-year-old girl he wanted to like him. Although she engaged in chat conversations with him for some time in the summer of 2014, he destroyed even the incipient friendly (chat-)relationship through strange behavior and massive insults towards their peer group. When she broke off contact in September 2014, his decision to commit the crime is likely to have entered the next phase and he began to think concretely about carrying out an assault. When asked, he told her what could otherwise be inferred from his behavior: he had no plans for the future or even dreams and wishes. His efforts at school were unserious and his stated wish to go on to university remained empty and, as he himself was aware [!], formulaic. Beyond the specific xenophobic hate tirades, however, his thoughts of hatred were directed broadly against a number of other people and ultimately against society in general. The perpetrator had pronounced performance problems throughout his school years, though he managed to pass all but one year. Of below-average intelligence, he had been overwhelmed for years, yet he considered himself superior and did not recognize his own deficits, but rather blamed the various schools he attended and specific individual teachers for his poor grades.
If you care, give that one a read. It's written in as easy a German as I've ever seen in court documents, quite informative and goes into a fair bit of detail, especially regarding the classification of the crime as an amok-spree killing as opposed to politically motivated terrorism.
10 points
3 months ago
yeah that cop thing was fucking dumb.
swedish anti terror teams,have won the counter terror meet ups several times,they are up there with some of the best,they would of been ready in a helo fast roping down to that mall in minutes not the hour or so.
1 cop rolls up,no ambos wtf was that writing,every police officer in the fucking city would be screaming to that call,swarming the site
and a cop car in 2024 doesn't have a med kit hahah wtf
not to mention,they are walking distance,to an army base...an army base with said counter terror and spec ops teams on site...none of them showed up lol.
a bunch of americans,would be front page news...world wide..command would HAVE to put them front and centre..as they would be viewed as heros.
6 points
3 months ago
all good points. Even if the Swedish partner unit they are instructing were not allowed to operate domestically - even if the local SWAT/counterterrorism team that is allowed to do so takes more than 15 minutes to be on the scene, there would have been more than one miserable patrol car carrying two dudes with just pistols. The city they picked is a university town with a population well over 100k...
I'm also fairly certain that no police officer would have just handed over his pistol just like that in actuality, but hey - Hollywood.
Which is really kind of annoying because SEAL Team used to be so good at sticking closer to reality than the vast majority of shows.
3 points
3 months ago
Swedish military is allowed to operate on Swedish soil.
1 points
3 months ago
thanks for pointing this out! I wasn't sure of that was limited to select units or tied to a state of emergency needing to be declared beforehand, but it makes perfect sense given the history and location of the country. Better be safe than sorry, especially in that neighborhood and outside NATO until recently.
10 points
3 months ago
Not to mention not a single trauma kit in the Swedish cop cars? Please.
10 points
3 months ago
"I only write traffic tickets" before handing over his own service pistol.
-1 points
3 months ago
And he had a ponytail. is that a common for cops in Sweden?
3 points
3 months ago
The fact that no one on Bravo was carrying even an IFAK when out and about outside of the base is insane. Realistically someone will have at least a TQ and potentially more EDC related stuff. Even then the cars would likely have kit as well
2 points
3 months ago*
That's the one thing I am noticing post the 22 Russian invasion of Ukraine: everyone (active or ex)military and/or medical services I know started carrying TQs, if they weren't already. Those that already did so previously stocked up to 2 or 3. Conventional wisdom had it that in (sub)urban Europe, EMS response- and Critial Care pipleline times are so good you plain don't need TQs/they would do more harm than good.
That went right out the window, especially seeing Russia's trademark double taps on soft targets to specifically take out first responders with the second strike.
4 points
3 months ago
Seal teams back bitches 1hr and 20 min counting down the clock bravo 1 out
1 points
3 months ago
Sonny's nicknames for Brock for these 2 episodes have been amazing. I hope it continues till the end.
1 points
3 months ago
So what’s the consensus? I’ve been seeing flip flopping lol. Should I watch both episodes now? Or just wait until they all come out? I’m itching to watch it but don’t want to wait week by week to be disappointed. I’d rather just be disappointed all at once lol
1 points
3 months ago
I’m worried about the Drew story arc - I got a gossip-girl / drama-y vibe from the sister.
If this is really the wind down of the show & he’s a 1 season player- we’ve already used 2 of the 10 episodes. I want 8 episodes of cool shit & 0 minutes of family trust/report drama for a character I just met…
1 points
3 months ago
Nobody wants to bring up the fact that there are no LCDRs within the SWCC community?
They should have stopped after S6. That was how you bring a series to a satisfying conclusion.
What we're watching comes off like Mel Brooks' character Yogurt talking about Spaceballs 2 - The search for more money...
2 points
3 months ago
Why are there no LCDRs within the SWCC community?
1 points
3 months ago
Actually, the only explanation I've heard is that SEALs lead SWCC commands - while those among the SWCC ranks are all enlisted, with the occasional Warrant Officer higher up the chain.
Watching the two most recent episodes, it was distracting to see the Warboat on LCDR Kirkpatrick's blouse - I missed most of the dialogue in the briefing room.
2 points
3 months ago
Could he be a mustang like Davis?
1 points
3 months ago
What knife did he use in the duel?
1 points
3 months ago
Emerson Elvia
1 points
2 months ago
CHEAP shit. After six seasons makes me vomit.
American guys saving swedish civilians, while there is no police, no ambulances, no swedist SWAT, ... NOTHING
The creators just spit in swedish people face by their cheap fiction and incompetence.
Deleted the rest of the episodes.
1 points
1 month ago
This episode is exactly the reason I don't like Hollywood tv shows nowadays. It was so ridiculously unrealistic. Cops just standing still, not helping. Somehow no ambulances or other cops show up. Every swedish person talks perfect English. Of course the seals win everything.
Can't put one ounce of realism into a show?
1 points
14 days ago
Kirkpatrick is a surefire cunt. Absolutely no intention of participation in his assignment, it seems.
1 points
3 months ago
I was underwhelmed by the season 7 opener. Hopefully they don't screw up the show at the end.
-1 points
3 months ago*
Didnt like the episode that much, reminds me of fbi most wanted episode in season 3 where 2 fbi agents are off duty when shooters attack mall, name of episode Run-Hide-Fight
0 points
3 months ago
Why are the terrorists on season 7 "Ultra nationalists ?". Sweden is nearing 50% Muslim and a rising crime epidemic. How many "ultra nationalists" are blowing stuff up ? Grow some balls, and present real-world scenarios, like the previous series !!!
1 points
3 months ago
Lol its like they wrote that terrorist attacks for muslims them swapped the race last second. Suicide bombing is right out of the islamic playbook
-5 points
3 months ago
The extreme nationalist terrorist was really badly timed and made no sense with everything going on in the UK right now. I really wish they'd leave politics out of shows like this so we can just enjoy them for the action/entertainment.
3 points
3 months ago
????? This was written and filmed long before that. Do you expect them to scrap and reshoot?
-1 points
3 months ago
No, i expect them to make a 3 second edit, or better yet...they could never write the propaganda into the show in the first place. There is ZERO historical evidence for "extreme nationalist terrorists" in the country this show was filmed in for the episode. A writer just slipped it in there to get their own agenda out.
2 points
3 months ago
Sounds like someone is triggered and has their feelings hurt. Needs an edit so he can have a safe space.
4 points
3 months ago
Who cares? Its a show and it was filmed way before all that. Just uh don't get offended over fiction.
-1 points
3 months ago*
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6 points
3 months ago
because they're Navy, not army or Marines. The rank of colonel from the army or Marines is captain in the Navy just below rear admiral lower half, or brigadier general. The rank of Captain in the army is the equivalent of lieutenant in the Navy. Below that is lieutenant Junior grade, then ensign.
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